Cristiano Ronaldo

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I do think there has been an over reaction about Untied becoming like Madrid, the transfers made this summer were necessary to rebuild the team to a world class level which was never going to be cheap. The difference between us and Madrid is we won't sell Di Maria a few years later to bring in another shiny toy, if he's performing and he's happy to stay he won't be going anywhere.

Once the defence is sorted i don't think we will see a transfer window like the summer happen again in a long time.
 
For me Ronaldo had to come back a year or two ago for it to be worth it for us. I'd still love to see him back but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense moving forwards as a club. I think it would be a nail in the coffin for any youth players trying to break into the side (obviously attacking players).
 
septic said:
with the FFP rules the way they are, and United's revenues dwarfing any other club in England, i can only see us becoming stronger and stronger. i forsee a mini league of super clubs (us, Madrid, Barca and Bayern) who will be the only ones who can afford the top, top players going forward. whether that is good for the league(s) is another thing, of course.
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If it does go that way we might as well go all-in with a European Super League, sitting above the national league. I mean, having come 7th last season and registering our first win of the season last weekend, it seems like a strange time to say it. But if things go the way you predicted - and Ive had the same thought myself - Im not sure how much value there is for us or anyone else us playing teams week in and week out whose whole team costs less than one of our players. Obviously this is something we do already at times but itll get to a point where we'll be doing it most weeks of the entire season.

How something like that would be structured Im not sure but I can see it going that way. Might not be such a bad thing either. At the end of the day people are always resistant to these kinds of changes, but I can see an argument for it being in the best interests of the game in the long term (as well as the also very strong arguments against it.)
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Except that's part of the point that I'm trying to make! :)

On more than one occassion Ronaldo has stated that he's been unhappy with the way that some Madrid fans have reacted towards him, whether it's the booing he's experienced or feeling "sad". Real fans expect perfection every week - they are, after all, a fussy bunch. I'm not saying in any way that we'd absolutely, positively turn on Ronnie, but our expectations for the team would be greater than even our 2009 squad now that we have a proper midfield as well as a strong attack.

My main point is that I have no idea what the reasons are if he wanted to come back. You and I can only guess. All I'm saying is that if his main reason for coming back is because he was well loved then we need to take into account that things could be very different and he may experience some of the same issues that made him unhappy at Real. I never once said that he has a big ego or questioned his professionalism, so I don't know where you're getting that from. The guy is the perfect example of someone who takes their career very seriously.



Again, I said that if he did come back I'd like to see him play in a strikers role.
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I think given what he's done, and the consistency he's shown, he's right to be a bit pissed off when the fans get on his back. If I were bagging 50 plus goals a season and they fans booed me I'd say something as well.

He's not only performed well, he's been the star pefromer even when things havent been going well for the team. Despite being a bit upset about it, he's still performed, he hasnt agitated for a move - he's got better and better since he's been there and they've won everything there is to win in that time with him being the driving force.

Obviously if he comes back nobody knows exactly why - but given the attitiude he's shown in his career, on and off the pitch and the commitment and professionalism he's shown at United and Real, even when things might not have been going well, I think its fair to say he'd be a welcome addition for most fans, the players and the manager.
 
Adebesi said:
Me neither. Ive had contempt for Madrid for years for conducting themselves this way, it wont sit comfortably for me at all if we go down the same road.

This summer was great. And also necessary. And Im all for spending big fairly regularly to stay competitive. We'll have to if we want to stay even close to the top in this league. Its hard to draw a line and say this is what we need to do and should do, but beyond that we are becoming too much like Madrid. So this conversation is always going to be very difficult. But I instinctively feel signing Ronaldo would be over that line.
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The "line" that matter is success. I dont see how bringing a player back to the club from Madrid is an issue - especially when United had a big hand in making him the player he is.
 
RedRover said:
The "line" that matter is success. I dont see how bringing a player back to the club from Madrid is an issue - especially when United had a big hand in making him the player he is.
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OK well my line is different. As I said, I dont want us to become Madrid - and they are plenty successful.

We arent Madrid yet, I know that. But this would be an uncomfortably large step in that direction for me.

The whole "we had a big hand in making him the player he is" line is meaningless to me as well. He did most of the work making himself the player he is himself.
 
Adebesi said:
OK well my line is different. As I said, I dont want us to become Madrid - and they are plenty successful.

We arent Madrid yet, I know that. But this would be an uncomfortably large step in that direction for me.

The whole "we had a big hand in making him the player he is" line is meaningless to me as well. He did most of the work making himself the player he is himself.
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So why so protective and sensitive over academy/youth players getting a chance? I thought the whole concept was being proud that the academy/club playing a hand in developing player, but now you are saying it's solely down to the player.
 
As much as i would like to see him wear a United shirt again, i just don't see this happening.

First of all the, "Ronnie returning" story shows up in the media at least three times a year
Secondly, he will be thirthy, has 4 years left on his contract and considering his "market value" RM can demand an outrageous pricetag for him, far surpassing his value as a player
Third, there is no way Perez will let him go unless hes gone completely insane (then again, he did sell us Di Maria)
 
Bobcat said:
As much as i would like to see him wear a United shirt again, i just don't see this happening.

First of all the, "Ronnie returning" story shows up in the media at least three times a year
Secondly, he will be thirthy, has 4 years left on his contract and considering his "market value" RM can demand an outrageous pricetag for him, far surpassing his value as a player
Third, there is no way Perez will let him go unless hes gone completely insane (then again, he did sell us Di Maria)
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He will have 3 years left in the summer, i don't think they can demand an astronomical fee due to his age. Plus he's got Jorge Mendes as his agent if he wants out he will make it happen.
 
2mufc0 said:
So why so protective and sensitive over academy/youth players getting a chance? I thought the whole concept was being proud that the academy/club playing a hand in developing player, but now you are saying it's solely down to the player.
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Not solely, mainly.

Im not sure I see the contradiction though.

I like bringing players through at the club. That doesnt mean other teams arent also capable of developing young players. I enjoy watching it happen before my eyes, with the player wearing a Man United shirt. I enjoy the bond you feel with a player who has come through that way. But that doesnt mean if that same player was at Chelsea or City or Barca or Milan they would develop into a lesser player. I just wouldnt have the same bond with them.
 
It would be the perfect signing to revert to a 4-3-3, though I'm indifferent to signing Ronaldo for double the price we might be able to get someone like Reus.

Anyway, not my money, so I don't mind. It would probably also mean that we're not making the Falcao signing permanent - unless we sell 1 or both of Rooney/RvP and develop Wilson as second choice CF.
 
Adebesi said:
Not solely, mainly.

Im not sure I see the contradiction though.

I like bringing players through at the club. That doesnt mean other teams arent also capable of developing young players. I enjoy watching it happen before my eyes, with the player wearing a Man United shirt. I enjoy the bond you feel with a player who has come through that way. But that doesnt mean if that same player was at Chelsea or City or Barca or Milan they would develop into a lesser player. I just wouldnt have the same bond with them.
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But that did happen with Ronaldo, as a skinny 18 year old he was written off by most people as an over rated show pony. His development in the United shirt over the 6 years physically and ability wise was quite extraordinary, from show pony to the best player in the world. And it happened before all our eyes.
 
2mufc0 said:
But that did happen with Ronaldo, as a skinny 18 year old he was written off by most people as an over rated show pony. His development in the United shirt over the 6 years physically and ability wise was quite extraordinary, from show pony to the best player in the world. And it happened before all our eyes.
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Yes. And as I wrote my last message I saw a contradiction in my position, inasmuch as I have acknowledged a bond with the player (even if that is not tantamount to having somehow given him his ability as a player). So I guess when I really think about it it is still a childish resentment that for the last two years at the club he clearly wanted to be somewhere else.

That and also I would just rather see us buy the next Ronaldo / Hazard type player, rather than the last one. And the money.

This is all very subjective and difficult to pin down. I accept im in a minority here and also as I said above its hardly something Ill complain about if it happens. I just dont want us to do it.
 
Adebesi said:
Yes. And as I wrote my last message I saw a contradiction in my position, inasmuch as I have acknowledged a bond with the player (even if that is not tantamount to having somehow given him his ability as a player). So I guess when I really think about it it is still a childish resentment that for the last two years at the club he clearly wanted to be somewhere else.

That and also I would just rather see us buy the next Ronaldo / Hazard type player, rather than the last one. And the money.

This is all very subjective and difficult to pin down. I accept im in a minority here and also as I said above its hardly something Ill complain about if it happens. I just dont want us to do it.
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Fair enough i understand your point of view, i thought he performed pretty well in his final year and Sir Alex pretty much felt that way too. The way i see it if we have the chance to sign the worlds best player we should take it.
 
2mufc0 said:
Fair enough i understand your point of view, i thought he performed pretty well in his final year and Sir Alex pretty much felt that way too. The way i see it if we have the chance to sign the worlds best player we should take it.
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Oh yes I said before his behaviour was exemplary. Doesnt change the fact he wanted out tho. I had a lot of resentment about that at the time, and honestly I have let that all go and wish him well. At the same time tho we moved on and to go back to the point you made before, bringing him back here wont mean we get to see him as an 18 year old proving the doubters wrong again, or learning when to dribble and when to do stepovers and when to pass. That has all been and gone. Now we'd just be paying £300+ a week for a player who says he loves the club and wants to come back - but will only do so if he becomes the world's best paid player in the process. Despite the fact that for the last years of that contract he may well not even be the best player in our squad, let alone in the world.
 
I've love Ronaldo, but this wouldn't be the best move. He's the wrong age and increasingly injury prone. Sometimes, it's best to leave the past in the past.
 
Sorry if these have been posted before.

http://talksport.com/football/exclu...urn-may-be-cards-claims-calderon-140915113704

and today.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-...naldo-return-to-manchester-united-is-in-place

Sounds like Calderon isn't too happy with everything either.

Ronaldo returning would be amazing. But we already have an amazing attacking line up and everyone agrees it's defence and maybe one more midfielder (Vidal or Strootman) that is missing and that LvG wants to sort that either in January or next summer. But Ronaldo is definitely one of those players like Falcao and Di Maria that you just couldn't turn down if they became available, and especially with Ronaldo being an ex United player and a United legend who is still adored by the fans. Not to mention the best player in the world. Or am I just getting post transfer deadline day muppet fever?
 
"Becoming like Madrid" is such an overstatement its unbelievable. We just lost the most successful manager in the history of football, and when we didnt bring in decent transfers last season, everyone was having a fit and rightly so. Look how that season turned out, and it really did expose how shite of a team we had and how unbelievable a manager SAF really was to win the league with an 11 point advantage.

A flush-out of dead weight WAS required this season, and when that happened a lot of experience went with it. Its fair enough to want academy players to shine through, but with what guidance when you've sold your captain and vice captain and other experienced players?

We're in a transitional period, and to avoid the downward spiral we were heading into we needed a major change in policy. FFS this is a new era, Im all with not losing our identity and giving youth a chance (which LVG is doing by the way) but this is a football club with a history to maintain, and the way to do that is to continue winning. I dont know about you but seeing City win it again, and Liverpool coming close to it made me sick. And personally im getting tired of this bullshit from other fans who cant seem to stop giggling when United is mentioned.

Old Trafford became a farce last season, with all the wrong records being broken. I want to see it become a fortress again, and if it means buying the best players for the time being then so be it. Once we stabilize this ship, Im all for going back to the way things were. Until then, lets get back to winning and lifting this negative air surrounding the club.
 
If we got him next summer, we would have the best player in the world at our disposal again. He is a guy in perfect physical condition and apparently shows unbelievable dedication to training and preparation - this tells me that he will go on to be at the top level well into his early to mid-thirties. So if we got 3 years of him being the best player in world football then we should snatch this opportunity.

And I disagree with the argument that it would end any hope of young players getting a chance in the first team, I can only imagine what the likes of Januzaj, Sanko, Lingard and Wilson to name a few could learn from him in training.

What United have been missing is players playing in their peaks of their careers, this time last season we had arguably only Rooney and Van Persie that were at that stage of their careers. Ronaldo is hitting his peak right now shows no signs of declining so we should go get him if half a chance comes about!
 
New contract time again then is it? I guess so after Messi surpassed his new deal

Will not be burned again by this nonsesne..
 
Adebesi said:
OK well my line is different. As I said, I dont want us to become Madrid - and they are plenty successful.

We arent Madrid yet, I know that. But this would be an uncomfortably large step in that direction for me.

The whole "we had a big hand in making him the player he is" line is meaningless to me as well. He did most of the work making himself the player he is himself.
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I'm sorry - I think even the player would acknowledge that the club had a big hand in what he became. When he arrived his a was a skinny kid and frankly a show pony with little end product.

He clearly had a good work ethic and determination, but the influence of the coaching staff to direct him in the right direction in his technical coaching, personal development, training in the gym and his diet is why he is where he is. The suggestion is he moaned at the standard of things at Madrid when he first went there because the training and set up wasnt what he expected a big club to be like having experienced top notch coaching and advice at United.

At the end of the day you place your line where you like, but I'd rather see the best players here than banging goals in for Chelsea or City - especially when that player is a big part of United's history and effecitvely grew up at the club. If he still has what it takes he'd always be welcome back here for me.

I find the suggestion that we're suddenly abandoning the clubs principles because we want to sign top players bizzarre. Fans moan when they see the best going elsewhere because the owners are "greedy" and lack ambition. Yet when we're linked with top stars you get people moaning about that as well. I really dont understand why.
 
Jonno said:
If we got him next summer, we would have the best player in the world at our disposal again. He is a guy in perfect physical condition and apparently shows unbelievable dedication to training and preparation - this tells me that he will go on to be at the top level well into his early to mid-thirties. So if we got 3 years of him being the best player in world football then we should snatch this opportunity.

And I disagree with the argument that it would end any hope of young players getting a chance in the first team, I can only imagine what the likes of Januzaj, Sanko, Lingard and Wilson to name a few could learn from him in training.

What United have been missing is players playing in their peaks of their careers, this time last season we had arguably only Rooney and Van Persie that were at that stage of their careers. Ronaldo is hitting his peak right now shows no signs of declining so we should go get him if half a chance comes about!
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Good post.
 
Surely we'd have to pretty much get rid of one or two of our forward players if this were to happen anyway, we'd never be able to keep them all happy. Say RVP + one other, would people do that?
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Surely we'd have to pretty much get rid of one or two of our forward players if this were to happen anyway, we'd never be able to keep them all happy. Say RVP + one other, would people do that?
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Sure. Who wouldn't swap RVP for Ronaldo?
 
Is it happening??? I think it's happening!!!!!!! Ronaldo and Di Maria down the wings Jesus, Jesus, Jesus how I have longed to see United once again have formidable wingers!!
 
RedRover said:
I'm sorry - I think even the player would acknowledge that the club had a big hand in what he became. When he arrived his a was a skinny kid and frankly a show pony with little end product.

He clearly had a good work ethic and determination, but the influence of the coaching staff to direct him in the right direction in his technical coaching, personal development, training in the gym and his diet is why he is where he is. The suggestion is he moaned at the standard of things at Madrid when he first went there because the training and set up wasnt what he expected a big club to be like having experienced top notch coaching and advice at United.

At the end of the day you place your line where you like, but I'd rather see the best players here than banging goals in for Chelsea or City - especially when that player is a big part of United's history and effecitvely grew up at the club. If he still has what it takes he'd always be welcome back here for me.

I find the suggestion that we're suddenly abandoning the clubs principles because we want to sign top players bizzarre. Fans moan when they see the best going elsewhere because the owners are "greedy" and lack ambition. Yet when we're linked with top stars you get people moaning about that as well. I really dont understand why.
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I think his determination is why he is where he is today. Yes, the club played a part, but most of the credit must go to Ronaldo himself.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Surely we'd have to pretty much get rid of one or two of our forward players if this were to happen anyway, we'd never be able to keep them all happy. Say RVP + one other, would people do that?
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No need at all my brother, we chose not to sign Falcao and use Rooney up top with Ronaldo next to him with RVP coming in and out or leaving entirely.
 
Zidane played at the highest level until he was 34, can't see any reason why Ronaldo couldn't do the same. Zidane could have carried on for several year's more but decided to call it a day after the World Cup. Ronaldo's never going to be in a World Cup Final, so he would probably go for more European glory.
 
This looks like the usual annual links to Ronaldo we have every year more than anything really. Calderon making statements like this means nothing, there are a lot of politics in the Madrid board and this just seems like it.

If it does happen tough, then I won't mind it at all. He is a top player, and will be very useful for the club, both on and off the pitch.
 
It does feel a bit different now though doesnt it? After last summer? I never used to pay any attention to these links but now I can see it happening. Though obviously that is different to expecting it to happen. It just seems more plausible now.
 
Colin129 said:
Zidane played at the highest level until he was 34, can't see any reason why Ronaldo couldn't do the same. Zidane could have carried on for several year's more but decided to call it a day after the World Cup. Ronaldo's never going to be in a World Cup Final, so he would probably go for more European glory.
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Different player. Ronaldo's main strength is speed.

Ronaldo is not coming, he just wants a new contract.
 
Adebesi said:
OK well my line is different. As I said, I dont want us to become Madrid - and they are plenty successful.

We arent Madrid yet, I know that. But this would be an uncomfortably large step in that direction for me.

The whole "we had a big hand in making him the player he is" line is meaningless to me as well. He did most of the work making himself the player he is himself.
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Seriously people like you annoy me! Go support Accrington Stanley or something!

He became big time through United, if we want him back what is the big deal. We made a fortune selling him, so what we end up losing some of that. Of all the players to complain about for the Madrid mentality this really isn't one that should come up!

I could use the same rationale on Beckham, Giggs, Nevilles, etc. The reason you become big is because you work hard to be. But clearly our training staff play their part, otherwise we may as well not have training. Seriously you are so narrow minded I find it hard to read posts by you.
 
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