He's not long signed a new contract. Also, the stories usually come out in the summer, when there is time to do something about it. The timing of this make me believe there is more to it.
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He's not long signed a new contract. Also, the stories usually come out in the summer, when there is time to do something about it. The timing of this make me believe there is more to it.
Definitely the case. I'm sure the club had a hand in moulding him, but he is clearly the perfect professional sportsman.
It does feel a bit different because unlike previous years going by comments made by Ronaldo and there are a lot of reports suggesting he is unhappy, also the apparent rift between Perez and Mendes makes it more believable. Also Ballague seems pretty confident it is a possibility, say what you like about him but this summer he's been making a lot of calls that have turned out be right in the end. I'm not saying i'm expecting it to happen but there is no smoke without fire.
With regards to buying him, I could only see it happening at the expense of Falcao. Madrid will not let him leave for anything less than what we paid for Di Maria, and if the reports are true then we will be looking at somewhere close to £50m to sign Falcao.
That's £100m on transfer fees alone to sign two players that are 29 & 30. Not going to happen.
EDIT: I think I'd rather spend the money on Gareth Bale. Its only a matter of time before he is discarded for the next big thing.
That's £100m on transfer fees alone to sign two players that are 29 & 30. Not going to happen.
EDIT: I think I'd rather spend the money on Gareth Bale. Its only a matter of time before he is discarded for the next big thing.
No No No
Rene Muelensteen is the man soleley responsible for devolping Ronaldo.
Atleast it is, in his own opinion.
Ignore me then.
He can have the hallowed number 23 instead.
I agree with you, and to be totally fair, the only World class players to come out of the academy in the last 25 years were Giggs/Scholes/Beckham/G Neville. No one else has come anywhere near their standard since. If people suddenly think we are going to produce a whole line of World class players, they are going to be awfully disappointed. Southampton's academy has done far better than us in that respect.
I'm trying to not get suckered into this Ronaldo returning situation because like others have mentioned, It seems to happen every year, But I think is the 1st time it actually may have some substance to it. Ronaldo is obviously very angry at the club for selling Di Maria (rightfully so) and from the body language you get from him in relation to James he doesn't seem so happy at that signing (there was a video of him pushing James in training), He has never felt the same love from the Real fans that he has from us, Add to the fact that Jorge Mendes is at war with Florentino Perez and that actually puts us in a very strong position in regards to signing him, Our club has always had a great relationship with Mendes (good and bad reasons) and if things continue between the two then I do think Mendes would actually push to take Ronaldo to United from Real if Cristiano did actually want that.
Now do I agree with the signing? That's a good question really, I absolutely loved Ronaldo when he was with us, Still a big fan of course but I don't know, One thing that no one seems to of really mentioned which is a major concern for me is the mounting injuries he seems to have, If he does have tendinitis as some places have speculated then that won't go away, Look at Owen Hargreaves for example.
If the injuries are not as bad as speculated then I would be behind it if the price was right, But then again I would be happy with that money being spent on Reus and Hummels
Now do I agree with the signing? That's a good question really, I absolutely loved Ronaldo when he was with us, Still a big fan of course but I don't know, One thing that no one seems to of really mentioned which is a major concern for me is the mounting injuries he seems to have, If he does have tendinitis as some places have speculated then that won't go away, Look at Owen Hargreaves for example.
If the injuries are not as bad as speculated then I would be behind it if the price was right, But then again I would be happy with that money being spent on Reus and Hummels
There's been a lot of talk about the club losing its identity. While buying Ronaldo back would in a way return some of that identity, paying what it will cost to bring a 30-something who has apparently become bored at his 'dream club' so soon after the improvements already made this summer would be another step to vanity replacing common sense. This is the kind of purchase you make when your current squad is complete and you're looking to spice it up with, I dunno, some spicy icing or something. In other words, the biggest reason to buy him is to stop him going to City.
We're not going to fail this season because we don't have Ronaldo, and him coming will potentially ensure the bigger holes don't get filled for another year,
We're not going to fail this season because we don't have Ronaldo, and him coming will potentially ensure the bigger holes don't get filled for another year,
United have always been a buying club, as well as a academy club. We still have youngsters trying to get through. It's down to how good they are as to whether they make it and otherwise we do what we always have, buy top players from else where:
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Manchester United£115,000October 1981
Bryan Robson West Bromwich Albion Manchester United£1,500,000January 1995
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Rio Ferdinand Leeds United Manchester United£29,100,000July 2014
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Real Madrid[/URL] Manchester United£59,700,000That's just the records. Add that to all the high ballers and United are a buying club no matter how you want to argue it! Even with the "class of 92" we were heavily supplemented by transfers!
The only difference with this season is making up for a few years of bad/ unfortunate business in the transfer market. That with the fact that due to years of success and building a huge brand we have the power to build our squad the way it should be. This isn't a monopoly money business like Chelsea, City, PSG, Monaco. This is a seriously successful self sustained self built model. Anyone arguing with that is simply not a proper fan with any grasp of football both past and modern.
But all the stories are coming out of only one source, Calderon. Nobody else said anything about this matter. Hardly a story if you ask me.
We should certainly be investing more into the academy. We dont have to just accept our academy is shit and unlikely to produce great players.
Also, I dont think anyone is saying let's not sign any great players. What I and perhaps others are saying is let's buy some younger ones who have their best years ahead of them.
Also, I dont think anyone is saying let's not sign any great players. What I and perhaps others are saying is let's buy some younger ones who have their best years ahead of them.
Ronaldo is a huge commercial success so will in many ways fund himself. Add the fact that as a player he is so vastly better a player than most in the world he will make a bigger difference than you give credit for. Then there is the wow factor that will attract other players. Other players that want to come to us come cheaper, basic principle if a player wants to go the selling club cannot demand as much money, as otherwise they'll have an unhappy player. This could make it both cheaper and more feasible to get the players we want, for example Hummels.
Like who? Like it or not we've had some catch-up to do and actually many of the players we have brought have their best years ahead of them. Chelsea has been stock piling quality young players, many of which are simply going to ruin. We are buying at just the right time going by this summer:
Vanja Milinkovic - 17, a goalkeeper for the future potentially, thus another investment in youth
Shaw - 19, doesn't get better than this, mature beyond his years, huge future ahead of him
Blind - 24, perfect age to be ready with plenty of years ahead and scope for improvement
Rojo - 24, ditto
Herrera - just 25, ditto
Di Maria - 26, for a player coming at peak the perfect age, literally the start of peak
Falcao - 28, maybe the only one you might question his age, particularly as will be 29 within 6 months. BUT he is recognised as one of the best if not they best strikers in the world and is at the height of his peak. Goals is where the prizes start to be won. With RVP having a dodgy injury record and 2.5 years older, this is an interchangeable back-up which means we will have tiny risk of not having the required resources in the most critical area of the pitch. Unlike for example Arsenal who are relying on Welbeck!
When you think about it are we really not doing good business?
Add this to the fact that almost half of all appearances this season have come from youth products, albeit many brought in at young age.
Determination is useless without direction. I can be the most determined man about, hit the gym hard every day and practice from morning till night - I wont ever make it as a pro-sportsman in any field.
Ronaldo deserves a huge amount of credit for what he's achieved and nobody would suggest otherwise, but by your assesment its then fair to assume he would have become just as great a player had he pitched up at Liverpool, Arsenal or Wigan? Surely then every top side should have been queuing up for him if because regardless of where he went he was guaranteed to become a great player?
While we're at it there's no point having a youth set up either because the coaching and development has nothing to do with the club I suppose?
That's not the case for me. Fergie and the coaching staff saw a player with raw potential and believed they could develop him physically and mentally into what he is now. They deserve a huge amount of credit for that.
Good example for me - Theo Walcott at Arsenal. All the raw attrributes to be a star and just hasnt kicked on to where he could have been, at least partially because he's playing under a manager who cant decide whetehr he's better out wide or through the middle.
Its no coincidence that over the years a lot of players have developed into world class stars at United.
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Players "funding themselves" is such a myth. Anyway, even if it were true, why would Real Madrid accept a transfer fee for Cristiano if they could supposedly make as much by just using his commercial success?
Ballbag thinks it's on!
http://www.squawka.com/news/cristia...er-united-return-says-guillem-balague/178827?
http://www.squawka.com/news/cristia...er-united-return-says-guillem-balague/178827?
I don't really want him back, everyone knows it'd be a headline grabbing transfer and a very expensive one at that but I don't think he'd be worth the money. Basically we'd have let Real have him off us for the best years of his career for about £5m a season. Then give them £50m+ to take him back to see you his last couple of years. That can't sound like a good idea to anyone.
His interview on Sky Sports yesterday is what started this!
Unless he comes back, bags 30 goals and wins us the title.
Its fair to mention the cost but I don't see how that effects the matter if he's the player we want and who will take us forward. The Glazers have been roundly criticised for (in the eyes of the fans) trying to boil things down to "cost" - yet a fair few on here seem to be doing exactly the same.
Were the club to shirk on this because of the cost I'm sure they'd then be roundly criticised if he goes elsehwere and proves succesful. The money saved would be scant comfort if he fires City or Chelsea to a few league titles in a row or a European Cup and the knives would be out for Woodward again most likely.
As it is, if he goes for something like £50 million I think he's the best player out there for that sort of money by an absolute mile.
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Unhappy about wages, says it all. Looking for more dollar.
It's not like Real Madrid don't bring through youth when it's good enough anyway. Casillas, Raul, Guti all did okay. In their current squad they have some younger academy products: Carvajal, Jese, Nacho. A galactico policy might stop more average players who will just get abuse and eventually move to a mid-table club from coming through, but the really promising youngsters will always get a go.
I don't believe he'll be paid £500,000 a week to play for us, that money is absurd.
i always thought that formed part of the original galictico policy - instead of spending middle of the road transfer fees and wages on 11 starters, to spend high fees and wages on a select number of galicticos, to be supplemented with youth coming through. i guess as the money has increased in recent years, this has been amended to just paying a lot for most players, and then even more for the superstars.
It was part of the original policy, yeah. "Zidanes y Pavónes" as they called it
The Pavón part was a failure, so they stopped relying on youth for a while.
That transfer will pay for itself with a bonus pretty quickly. He's an international icon and still one of the best in the world.
Not wanting him and crying in the Welbeck threads gotta be one of the biggest brain dead farts of Redcafe. Ever.
It's like not wanting Zidane or other genius like Cantona, Pirlo, Xavi because of being 30 years old... We got plenty of space and funds plus there will be even more of that because Zaha is technically already gone and we're not even considering extending Young's ridiculous contract.
Not wanting him and crying in the Welbeck threads gotta be one of the biggest brain dead farts of Redcafe. Ever.
It's like not wanting Zidane or other genius like Cantona, Pirlo, Xavi because of being 30 years old... We got plenty of space and funds plus there will be even more of that because Zaha is technically already gone and we're not even considering extending Young's ridiculous contract.
I think it would be good if we could get him to retire here. I think that such is the size of his brand, and the fact that he speaks English too, that I think Ronaldo will still be a very valuable asset once he has even retired. I would rather we tap into his post-playing days than Real. Get him doing some ambassadorial work etc. Would imagine he will also serve as a Mendes proxy too if he were still around after he quits.
On top of that, it is just right. People will talk about us spending loads, but the fact is that even if we re-signed Ronnie next summer, he'd still be registered as one of our homegrown players next season.
On top of that, it is just right. People will talk about us spending loads, but the fact is that even if we re-signed Ronnie next summer, he'd still be registered as one of our homegrown players next season.
Ronaldo will count as a homegrown player if we signed him. Says enough about our development of young players in itself.
This is very true, it's easy to say I don't want him now (which I have said in this thread). I said the same thing about RvP and then Falcao but the second they actually signed I was ecstatic.
Sell Rooney, buy Ronaldo! I'm officially on board.
Most of the financial benefit comes after the transfer, i.e. boom on shirt sales, this is particularly the case with Madrid. 3m Ronaldo shirts were apparently sold in Madrid alone! For United there is an additional tier of commercial benefit in terms of sponsored activity. This is the case with Madrid as well, but we have a wider appeal worldwide and greater depth of sponsors to deal with.
Bottom line Madrid will have already extracted much of the material benefit from Ronaldo, thus a hefty transfer fee provides a guaranteed return, along with the saving in salary for a player that will only start to rapidly diminish in value. From Madrid's case it makes perfect sense. Assuming we brought him for £60m, they will have a £20m net transfer fee spend for a player who they got the best 6 years of his career from.
Arguably this would then not make sense to us, but the commercial value and second round of shirt sales as it were should help to cover those costs. That plus as I said regaining our status among other transfer targets and the overall benefit in terms of team strength.
I can't pretend to know the exact economical sense of the deal, even if I knew all the facts there are a number of umbrella benefits that can't be accounted for easily, like enhanced worldwide appeal.
Do not want. Will be ridiculously expensive both in terms of transfer fee and wages, and doesn't have many more years at the top. Plus I don't like him, I prefer team players.
It's kinda sad really that we've just signed Di Maria, Falcao, Blind, Herrera, Shaw and Rojo, and weeks after the transfer window has closed lots of us are getting giddy about rumours of Ronaldo coming back here. It seems a little...classless somehow.
If Ronaldo harboured long time, serious plans about returning here you'd think he might've begun the flirt while the transfer window was still open...
If Ronaldo harboured long time, serious plans about returning here you'd think he might've begun the flirt while the transfer window was still open...
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's fecking CRISTIANOOOOOO RONALDOOOOOO
Would he count as homegrown?
That actually makes some sense, sell one of our many 10's on a huge pay packet and has been declining for awhile, for a world class wide forward to play alongside Di Maria once again. Ronaldo - Mata/Adnan - Di Maria behind Falcao, all three of them interchangeable.
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