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I'd disagree with alot of that to tell you the truth, since football is a business now with the bigger clubs grabbing the best of the best which means that quite a number of matches they play are comfortable for them, especially if they play to a certain level. That's why players like Ronaldo and Messi are scoring for fun really: always bound to get chances when you're playing with the type of quality their teams possess. That's why records don't mean much to me to tell you the truth.

As for Ronaldo being the best ever in England and himself and Messi being the best ever: I can't agree at all. They're not all rounders. Highly effective players but when you read about Edwards he could play in any position and dominate a game. It's not all about goals and stats when it comes to a game of football. It's about presence and desire..... and apparently he had a winning aura about him and an indomitable spirit. You don't get many of those type of players anymore.

I'm with bwuk on this one. For me its the same as the old boxing greats. They were legends in their time and hailed as the greatest ever but modern fighters are likely to beat them. Largely this is down to superior diet, training and the leaps and bounds made in sports science. In football the game is played so much faster than it used to be, it is impossible to say how the historic lads would have coped. An example of this for me is Pallister and Bruce in defence. During their era they were considered top defenders. In a modern team I think they would be too slow to cope with a great deal of the attacking talent in the prem let alone the champions league.
 
The original quote though was about United legends... that's why I responded because undoubtedly he will always be up there with the other icons we have at the club. Not sure Ronaldo can sit up there with Edward, Best, Charlton, Cantona etc.

Ronaldo - the guy who won BPITW while with us, was the most important part of one of Fergie's greatest teams - can't be considered a legend, but a 21yr old who didn't achieve 1/10 of what Ronaldo did can? That makes zero sense.

Ronaldo is a legend.
 
I'm with bwuk on this one. For me its the same as the old boxing greats. They were legends in their time and hailed as the greatest ever but modern fighters are likely to beat them. Largely this is down to superior diet, training and the leaps and bounds made in sports science. In football the game is played so much faster than it used to be, it is impossible to say how the historic lads would have coped. An example of this for me is Pallister and Bruce in defence. During their era they were considered top defenders. In a modern team I think they would be too slow to cope with a great deal of the attacking talent in the prem let alone the champions league.

It's a different game obviously, but it doesn't lessen Edward's ability and his legendary status at Old Trafford. Plus I always feel that great players could adapt to any era really.
 
All the talk I players you haven't seen on a regular basis is a little pointless really. You have no way of judging other than by others opinions and people will always identify with players from their era so all the talk is a little cheap really. We see every game now, the good and the bad. The only people can say that about players from 40/50 years ago are those who followed the teams home and away. They are few and far between.
 
It's a different game obviously, but it doesn't lessen Edward's ability and his legendary status at Old Trafford. Plus I always feel that great players could adapt to any era really.

Absolutely he is a club legend. I wouldn't try the lessen that. If we're honest a very small percentage of the caf would have ever seen him play. I certainly didn't so I can't judge how he would adapt to the modern game. What I would say is Ronaldo is (for me) the best player I have ever seen and he's certainly the best player that has played in the UK during the premiership years. He has to be considered a club legend.
 
Ronaldo - the guy who won BPITW while with us, was the most important part of one of Fergie's greatest teams - can't be considered a legend, but a 21yr old who didn't achieve 1/10 of what Ronaldo did can? That makes zero sense.

Ronaldo is a legend.

To me he's not really a legend for United in the same sense as those players I've mentioned. Obviously a very gifted finisher and athlete but nah, he doesn't capture my heart the way the others do. Plus he was a lazy fecker with us.... remember watching a few matches and he'd do diddly for the team when we lost possession. He's improved on that count with age but to me he will always have that me me me attitude that's so prevalent in today's game.
 
Edwards is hard to rate as he didn't play enough. For that reason I prefer to leave him out of this kind of discussion - maybe better than Best or Charlton, maybe not as good - we don't know. Also, Charlton is naturally modest. Edwards was better than him at 20 or 21 but that doesn't mean he would have been better in 1966 or 1968. At some point it seems right to judge by what they actually did and what they were like at their peak.
 
Eh? He'd just won the World Cup and was then pivital in the year we nearly (and should have) won the league. You don't turn to shit at 30 years old, and he was courted by other big clubs in 1999. Yes he wasn't the same player he was at Milan, but he was by no means past it.
So are you talking about a single game where Henry was good and Desailly was shit and not multiple times?

I know you don't turn to shit but with each season at Chelsea he declined as a player.
 
Edwards is hard to rate as he didn't play enough. For that reason I prefer to leave him out of this kind of discussion - maybe better than Best or Charlton, maybe not as good - we don't know. Also, Charlton is naturally modest. Edwards was better than him at 20 or 21 but that doesn't mean he would have been better in 1966 or 1968. At some point it seems right to judge by what they actually did and what they were like at their peak.

True, he didn't play enough, but he was exceptional for a man of his age. At 19 he scored a wonder goal against West Germany in Berlin, running from just outside his own penalty box and shooting from 25 yards to put England 1 - 0 up. Germany were the World Champions at that time so it's really not a case of hyperbole concerning how good he was already, especially when you factor in what others who saw him play have to say about his talents.....

I love Bobby Moore's quote from his autobiography, "I once played truant from school to watch Duncan play at White Hart Lane. There will never be another player like him."

Such a shame he didn't get to play for England in the following World Cups, along with other Babes like Tommy Taylor, Roger Byrne and the rest. Who knows what they could have achieved. Sure England drew 0-0 with Brazil in the 58 World Cup finals, just months after the Munich crash. They really could have won so many.
 
I'm with bwuk on this one. For me its the same as the old boxing greats. They were legends in their time and hailed as the greatest ever but modern fighters are likely to beat them. Largely this is down to superior diet, training and the leaps and bounds made in sports science. In football the game is played so much faster than it used to be, it is impossible to say how the historic lads would have coped. An example of this for me is Pallister and Bruce in defence. During their era they were considered top defenders. In a modern team I think they would be too slow to cope with a great deal of the attacking talent in the prem let alone the champions league.

Haha no!, Someone like Muhammad Ali would pretty much trounce any heavyweight boxer today period. Same goes for Frazer, Foreman, Tyson, Sugar Ray etc. With boxing this logic simply does not imply so it's a bad comparison to use. But I agree with what you're saying, football is far more competitive now than what it was in the 1950's and 60's. The talent pool is simply larger as well.

Messi has scored almost 80 goals in 1 season in the modern game, how many you think he could have got in another era for example.
 
I don't think it is fair to compare them that way. If players back then were playing now, they would also have those benefits. For me the best way to judge a player is by how great he was seen in his time and how he influenced the game in his time also. All you can do is be the best player of your generation and if you are that then you are in with a shot of being the best ever. For my money Di Stefano, maradona and messi are the three best ever with pele fourth.

I think Johan Cruyff was better than them two tbh.
 
FFS. If I read that 21yr old Edwards is better than Ronaldo, imma flip a switch. It's insane.

How old are you, out of interest? Have you seen Edwards live?
No I haven't, but my Dad has, and from what he told me that's all I need to know, not to mention what all his team mates have said. He played 177 times for United before he died, 177 times at 21 years of age, in a team that many say was Uniteds greatest. The ignorance shown by some fans is baffling, football existed before the Premier League.
If you never had the privilege of watching Best, Pele or Maradona would you then say Henderson was better?
Charlton on Edwards
 
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He'll be over rated due to the tragic circumstances surrounding his death.

I'm sorry but Ronaldo is the best player who's ever played in England. Again people won't agree, but the standard the game is at nowadays is an all time high, and imo Messi and Ronaldo are the best players to have played the game. Some players like Ronaldinho or Zidane may have been more aesthetically pleasing, but Messi and Ronaldo just destroy teams and set stupidly high records.
It's your opinion, it's far from being a fact.
 
Messi is not at that very highest tier. Neither is Ronaldo. Not for me, anyway. Maradona carried his side to titles on his own and his country to a world cup, Pele his country to 3 world cups. Messi has the benefit of two of the best midfielders to ever play the game behind him. Ronaldo is an all-round great player, for me falls just short of that very highest level. I do rate him higher than Messi though.

We'll never know just how good Edwards would have been over his career, but he sure as hell had the potential to be one of the very best. He had clearly demonstrated that much.

End of the day this is all opinion and we'll never agree. That's what make football great.
 
He was a Benfica fan and I don't think he'd have any problems going Barcelona but that wasn't an option. He indicated as much at one point. He watched the Spanish league growing up, no major shocks there. If we had sunshine lol he'd probably still be at United. Either way, it could be a crazy few years with players moving about the place. You never know. Ronaldo has a big ego and a big mouth. I don't think Hernandez would be there if he was picking the team and I don't think they'd have sold Di Maria. So it's only natural he's probably questioning the direction the clubs going in after being so successful last season. Are they a better team? Probably not.
His father was a Benfica fan.
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Messi is not at that very highest tier. Neither is Ronaldo. Not for me, anyway. Maradona carried his side to titles on his own and his country to a world cup, Pele his country to 3 world cups. Messi has the benefit of two of the best midfielders to ever play the game behind him. Ronaldo is an all-round great player, for me falls just short of that very highest level. I do rate him higher than Messi though.

We'll never know just how good Edwards would have been over his career, but he sure as hell had the potential to be one of the very best. He had clearly demonstrated that much.

End of the day this is all opinion and we'll never agree. That's what make football great.

That's absolutely ridiculous , but as you said its all opinion
 
I'm convinced he'll end up here next summer. Perez is annoyed at Mendes to say the least.
 
His father was a Benfica fan.
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Paddy asked Ronaldo personally. So you know where you can shove Ronaldos digit :) When Ronaldo first started his 'games' he also mentioned Barcelona. Once Madrid tapped him up there was only going to be one winner.
 
Messi is not at that very highest tier. Neither is Ronaldo. Not for me, anyway. Maradona carried his side to titles on his own and his country to a world cup, Pele his country to 3 world cups. Messi has the benefit of two of the best midfielders to ever play the game behind him. Ronaldo is an all-round great player, for me falls just short of that very highest level. I do rate him higher than Messi though.

We'll never know just how good Edwards would have been over his career, but he sure as hell had the potential to be one of the very best. He had clearly demonstrated that much.

End of the day this is all opinion and we'll never agree. That's what make football great.

Pele had great teams around him but Maradona did had good teams (talking about NT) but basically failed to impress a club level, I saw Maradona winning the WC because he was a strong leader and a great player, he wanted the WC more than anything else. With Pele they would win even without him, but is not fair comparing players from different eras but I saw Maradona and for me still the best then we had Ronaldinho who for me had the best skills any footballer would dream and that includes Messi and Ronaldo, but money does change people and Ronaldinho is a great example of failure.
 
Paddy asked Ronaldo personally. So you know where you can shove Ronaldos digit :) When Ronaldo first started his 'games' he also mentioned Barcelona. Once Madrid tapped him up there was only going to be one winner.
That picture was when United played against benfica and he showed is affection for his dad's club.
 
The highlights of our famous comeback against Villa (Macheda winner) was just on BT Sport and one clip showed Ronaldo sprinting away as Ashley Young tried to chase him, I nearly cried.
 
I'm with bwuk on this one. For me its the same as the old boxing greats. They were legends in their time and hailed as the greatest ever but modern fighters are likely to beat them. Largely this is down to superior diet, training and the leaps and bounds made in sports science. In football the game is played so much faster than it used to be, it is impossible to say how the historic lads would have coped. An example of this for me is Pallister and Bruce in defence. During their era they were considered top defenders. In a modern team I think they would be too slow to cope with a great deal of the attacking talent in the prem let alone the champions league.
Doesn't make sense tbh. Give the players of yesterday the same diet etc that the players of today have and they could well be equally good if not better.
 
Doesn't make sense tbh. Give the players of yesterday the same diet etc that the players of today have and they could well be equally good if not better.

The key word you used here is could. As I said it's impossible to say how the historic lads would have done in today's game but the modern guys are faster, stronger, fitter and you can only compare them directly.
 
The key word you used here is could. As I said it's impossible to say how the historic lads would have done in today's game but the modern guys are faster, stronger, fitter and you can only compare them directly.
You shouldn't as the game has changed so much since then. You should compare how highly they were viewed in their time and how they influenced the sport at the time also. There is no way Ronaldo is a better player than pele was. He is not viewed as highly as pele was in his time and he has not influenced the game as much as pele did in his time. Pele was a much more important and decisive player in his time than Ronaldo is now and was also much more integral to his teams success. He defined football much more in his time than Ronaldo has in his. Pele and maradona would be better today than they were back then with the new diets, tactics and protection from the referees etc. You could spin your point around and ask the question could Ronaldo and messi have handled how little protection players got from referees back then, the lesser quality pitches and even the boots they wore back then which were of much less quality than the ones used today. Using your logic players are just going to keep getting better and better and that means that it is not possible for a player to ever be considered the best ever or even one of the best ever (apart from when they are playing) as the newer players will keep surpassing them.
 
To even suggest that Duncan Edwards was a better United player than Ronaldo is downright ridiculous.

As for Ronaldo coming home, I'm convinced he'd love to if we would cough up the money. Will we, though, and should we? +60 million pounds next summer for a 30-year-old is very steep, even if we are talking about one of the best players of all time. I'm not sure how I feel.
 
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To even suggest that Duncan Edwards was a better United player than Ronaldo is downright ridiculous.

As for Ronaldo coming home, I'm convinced he'd love to if we would cough up the money. Will be, though, and should we? +60 million pounds next summer for a 30-year-old is very steep, even if we are talking about one of the best players of all time. I'm not sure how I feel.
Moyes and some other guy said that we were pretty close to signing him last summer.
 
You shouldn't as the game has changed so much since then. You should compare how highly they were viewed in their time and how they influenced the sport at the time also. There is no way Ronaldo is a better player than pele was. He is not viewed as highly as pele was in his time and he has not influenced the game as much as pele did in his time. Pele was a much more important and decisive player in his time than Ronaldo is now and was also much more integral to his teams success. He defined football much more in his time than Ronaldo has in his. Pele and maradona would be better today than they were back then with the new diets, tactics and protection from the referees etc. You could spin your point around and ask the question could Ronaldo and messi have handled how little protection players got from referees back then, the lesser quality pitches and even the boots they wore back then which were of much less quality than the ones used today. Using your logic players are just going to keep getting better and better and that means that it is not possible for a player to ever be considered the best ever or even one of the best ever (apart from when they are playing) as the newer players will keep surpassing them.

I think players will get better and better. That is inevitable with sports in general IMO and it should be as a prerequisite of a professional sportsman should be to try and continually better themselves (and by proxy their sport in general). I disagree with your point that Pele influenced the game more in his time than Ronaldo has in his. Pele was one of the first players to be considered great and rightly so. He had a huge impact on the Football sphere and still does. Having said that. I think if you asked 1000 people (or showed a picture) in each Country in the World when Pele was at his peak if they knew who Pele was and what he did and did the same with Ronaldo now more people would know more about Ronaldo. The same argument could be had that more people watch/practice football now than they used to so more kids are influenced by Ronaldo than Pele. As for spinning the question round, I think Ronaldo has the physique to have coped with the physicality of the historic game, Messi not so much but then he is a similar build to Maradona I would say. The fact of the matter is it's impossible to say how they would have coped in the 50's, 60', 70's, 80's. Just as it is impossible to say how much better the guys from that era would have been with modern training and nutrition.
 
"I have no doubt that he (Ronaldo) did not want to question the club's policies," Perez told a news conference announcing 2013-14 income of 603.9 million euros, a 10.9 percent jump compared with the previous season.
"He has just presented me with a replica of his 'Ballon d'Or' award, an exemplary player," the construction magnate added. "There are no disagreements, zero."
 
The key word you used here is could. As I said it's impossible to say how the historic lads would have done in today's game but the modern guys are faster, stronger, fitter and you can only compare them directly.
If you gave similar treatment to the older guys they'll be too. Its just a matter of fact that comparing players from different times will never give accurate results.
 
"I have no doubt that he (Ronaldo) did not want to question the club's policies," Perez told a news conference announcing 2013-14 income of 603.9 million euros, a 10.9 percent jump compared with the previous season.
"He has just presented me with a replica of his 'Ballon d'Or' award, an exemplary player," the construction magnate added. "There are no disagreements, zero."
Dig again at Mendes?
On another note ofc Perez is not going to question Ronaldo while announcing mega income, with Ronaldo being the main reason for that income :smirk:
 
It's happening.

Di María: "I stayed at Madrid because of Cristiano"
Manchester United midfielder reveals how Portuguese fought his corner at Madrid when it appeared he would be forced to leave.
by JESUS AGUILERA

Ángel di María granted an interview to ESPN in which he spoke about his departure from Real Madrid, and said that he stayed as long as he did largely because of his friendship with Cristiano Ronaldo. "The Noodle" is however happy with the moment he chose to leave the club, immediately after winning the Décima.

"The truth is I have a great friendship with Cristiano Ronaldo. He always supported me at every moment and when it looked like I was going to leave he fought my corner and the truth is thanks to him I was at Real Madrid last season. I ended up winning the Champions League in the year when it seemed I would leave; I left in the best way possible, with the Décima," Di María said.

Manchester United: "I'm very excited to come to such a big club, I never thought things would happen like this. I have to adapt as quickly as possible to help the team."
The number 7: "It's a nice thing to wear a shirt that so many great players have worn. For the club, the number 7 is very important. It's the number the best players have worn. It's great, but it doesn't add any pressure for me."

Premier League's most expensive: "You don't think about those things, you think about working hard and doing the best you can. I am grateful to Manchester United for paying what Real Madrid wanted, and for wanting me as much as I wanted to come here. They didn't try and knock Madrid down by a single pound and that means a lot to me. I will try to give everything for this club."

Differences: "Training sessions are more physical than in Spain. In football terms, the players are very strong, very fast and I have to adapt to that as quickly as possible to improve all the time."

Van Persie and Rooney: "It's great. For me it was a dream to play in the Premier League with Manchester United and I'm more than happy to play with such important players, with some that I watched on television as a kid."

Messi and Ronaldo: "Playing alongside the two best players in the world is amazing and I'm really happy that I have been able to do so."

Martino: "From what Leo and Mascherano have told me he is a great person. He likes hard work and he likes to have a content and united squad. I hope it goes well for us."

Angel Di Maria: Carlo Ancelotti says former player moved to Manchester United for money

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come play with your pal Angel, Cristiano.

Dave
Rafael - Hummels - Rojo - Shaw
Strootman
Di Maria - Herrera
Januzaj - Falcao - Ronaldo​

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I think players will get better and better. That is inevitable with sports in general IMO and it should be as a prerequisite of a professional sportsman should be to try and continually better themselves (and by proxy their sport in general). I disagree with your point that Pele influenced the game more in his time than Ronaldo has in his. Pele was one of the first players to be considered great and rightly so. He had a huge impact on the Football sphere and still does. Having said that. I think if you asked 1000 people (or showed a picture) in each Country in the World when Pele was at his peak if they knew who Pele was and what he did and did the same with Ronaldo now more people would know more about Ronaldo. The same argument could be had that more people watch/practice football now than they used to so more kids are influenced by Ronaldo than Pele. As for spinning the question round, I think Ronaldo has the physique to have coped with the physicality of the historic game, Messi not so much but then he is a similar build to Maradona I would say. The fact of the matter is it's impossible to say how they would have coped in the 50's, 60', 70's, 80's. Just as it is impossible to say how much better the guys from that era would have been with modern training and nutrition.
That is because the game is more commercial now and there is facebook, twitter, youtube etc. I know what you mean by players getting better due to the evolution of diet, tactics etc but that is not fair at all on players of the past and they should only be judged by what they did in their time and how they were viewed. Pele had much more to his game than Ronaldo and if you took away goals from their respective games (crazy to take away goals I know, especially as they were both so good at scoring.) Pele has much more to his game than Ronaldo. He was able to play as a playmaker which is not something Ronaldo could do at the highest level. I know taking away ronaldos goals is a big deal but to be among the top echelon you have to have more. Pele was in the top tier of players with maradona, messi, di stefano etc and Ronaldo is in the second tier with the likes of puskas (who I think Ronaldo is very similar to and is almost the modern day equivalent) etc.
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Dig again at Mendes?
On another note ofc Perez is not going to question Ronaldo while announcing mega income, with Ronaldo being the main reason for that income :smirk:
I know, I just thought I would add to the muppetry. Tbf at least its an actual quote (although that still means very little) rather than rumours from some article or "sources" which mean zilch. I would be surprised if mendes and perez did not stay on at least business terms. They are both beneficial to eachother.
 
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