Cristiano Ronaldo

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northbynorthwest said:
The thing about psychology is that you can divide 7 billion people on this planet in maybe twenty personality types or there abouts. So based on this premise one can deduce from about 12 years of watching ronaldo, through how he conducts himself what type of guy he is. He is the ultimate footballing narcissist. Terrific player no question, but a prima donna.
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I thought there were 16 personality types....."footballing narcissist" isn't one of the choices.

From also watching Ronaldo for 12 years (how time flies!), I'd say that he's extraordinarily talented, and then has worked every day, day in and day out, on top of that to be the best player he can be. The result? Finally he won the CL for the 2nd time. Not his best performance, but he probably was afraid that he wouldn't play at all, or would pull up injured.

A rather amazing person don't you think?
 
Raees said:
Funnily enough he put in a very humble and professional performance considering he was not match fit, major injury doubt but he kept it simple and yes was kind of invisible but there was no sulking or frustration on his part.. whereas with Rooney, you can clearly tell he's injured and he is awful to the point he brings the entire team down. Ruined it all after the Bale goal though.
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So Ronaldo is admirable for being invisible in a Champions League final whereas Rooney has to cop flak for playing time and again when he is injured and for trying to influence the game and put himself in dangerous positions? Ronaldo was horse shit Saturday night, he was every bit as awful as Rooney was against Bayern, the only difference is Rooney wasn't invisible because he actually tried to influence game. Only Rooney could be called selfish for playing when injured.
 
People actually think that he was doing that celebration for the club. After 6 years of him being at United, you'd think people would know him better. :lol:

His ego was relieved after scoring that goal because Bale and Ramos were going to take the headlines. He did that celebration to try and imprint the win with an iconic image of his celebration when in reality he had a pretty poor game (most likely because he was injured) and had little to do with the win.

Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he has had a ridiculously good season and Madrid wouldn't even be near the final without him. 17 goals in 11 games is ridiculous and provided that Messi doesn't play a key role in Argentina winning the World Cup, I think he will win the Ballon D'Or again. His ego is what makes him so great and its has been the driving force behind what has made him such a world class footballer. Personally I thought that celebration was pretty funny because it was extremely unneeded on the occasion (especially with Madrid being 3-1 up and running away with the trophy), but there is not much wrong with it because its typical Ronaldo for you, he just wants to be the main man of Madrid and rightly he is (although maybe not in this particular win).

The only problem on here is when people try to write off or deny his ego. He clearly has an ego on the football pitch (though he is the opposite off the pitch) and he wants it to be all about him. This is what makes him so great, accept it.
 
kidbob said:
So Ronaldo is admirable for being invisible in a Champions League final whereas Rooney has to cop flak for playing time and again when he is injured and for trying to influence the game and put himself in dangerous positions? Ronaldo was horse shit Saturday night, he was every bit as awful as Rooney was against Bayern, the only difference is Rooney wasn't invisible because he actually tried to influence game. Only Rooney could be called selfish for playing when injured.
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Bla bla bla

He took his shirt off. He scored in order to show us his torso. Rooney would never be so thoughtful.
 
united_99 said:
Usually I don't mind his arrogance, it's funny and something different at times. But this time it was too much over the top, very cringeworthy.

Lots of players have scored much more important / crucial goals and they still manage to celebrate with their team mates.

For Bale the CL win had huge importance, too, especially with his price tag. He still didn't do a Ronaldo. He also thanked Di Maria. Yes Di Maria, too, who actually was the man of the match. He didn't make it all about himself.

Hell, Iniesta made it all about the Espanyol player who had died when he scored THE most important goal in Spain's history. But then Iniesta is one of the most likable players around and still at least as good and definitely more successful than Ronaldo. Arrogance is fine, but extremely exaggerated arrogance is not really needed to be a truly world class player! Lots of players manage to be great without it.
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Not so sure about that when you count Ronaldo's honours (86) to Iniesta's (56).
 
Madrid's greatest ever player was a consummate team-player and managed to dominate the European game for years without this ego so I don't think it's true that ego really is a necessary component to being this good.
 
AltiUn said:
Not so sure about that when you count Ronaldo's honours (86) to Iniesta's (56).
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86 honours - are you including Match magazine player of the week to get that total?

Iniesta is more successful by the normal measure of team trophies. He isn't as good as Cristiano but he's more successful.
 
United22 said:
People actually think that he was doing that celebration for the club. After 6 years of him being at United, you'd think people would know him better. :lol:

His ego was relieved after scoring that goal because Bale and Ramos were going to take the headlines. He did that celebration to try and imprint the win with an iconic image of his celebration when in reality he had a pretty poor game (most likely because he was injured) and had little to do with the win.

Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he has had a ridiculously good season and Madrid wouldn't even be near the final without him. 17 goals in 11 games is ridiculous and provided that Messi doesn't play a key role in Argentina winning the World Cup, I think he will win the Ballon D'Or again. His ego is what makes him so great and its has been the driving force behind what has made him such a world class footballer. Personally I thought that celebration was pretty funny because it was extremely unneeded on the occasion (especially with Madrid being 3-1 up and running away with the trophy), but there is not much wrong with it because its typical Ronaldo for you, he just wants to be the main man of Madrid and rightly he is (although maybe not in this particular win).

The only problem on here is when people try to write off or deny his ego. He clearly has an ego on the football pitch (though he is the opposite off the pitch) and he wants it to be all about him. This is what makes him so great, accept it.
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Agreed he had a poor game by his own standard as he was not 100% fit, but he did involve in 3 (if not 4) of the goals though (scored a penalty, made an 'assist' to Marcelo, although it was pretty much a solo goal, and made the pass to Di Maria which result in Bale's header. Even for Ramos goal he did help indirectly with his movement, drawing defenders away and open up space for Ramos to head the crucial goal)
 
AltiUn said:
Not so sure about that when you count Ronaldo's honours (86) to Iniesta's (56).
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Seriously? Iniesta has won more league titles, more CLs, a World Cup and two Euros. Ronaldo isn't near him in terms of honours.
 
I think you'd have to credit the assist for Marcelo's goal to one of the handful of Atlético players that just let him run through unchallenged.
 
Brwned said:
Madrid's greatest ever player was a consummate team-player and managed to dominate the European game for years without this ego so I don't think it's true that ego really is a necessary component to being this good.
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How do you know whether he had an ego or not? Or whether he was "consummate team player"?
Seems like Ronaldo is a "consummate team player", right?
 
AltiUn said:
Not so sure about that when you count Ronaldo's honours (86) to Iniesta's (56).
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? Not even close, Iniesta has 3 CLs, 6 league titles, 2 European Cups, 1 World Cup and various domestic cups.

Ronaldo might have honours such as "scoring the crucial goal for RM in the final to make it 4-1", but in terms of team acchievements it doesn't even come close.
 
Brwned said:
I think you'd have to credit the assist for Marcelo's goal to one of the handful of Atlético players that just let him run through unchallenged.
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In that case that assist goes to Simeone who shouldn't have started an obviously unfit Costa, the substitute for whom meant one less available at a time in the game when fresh legs were in dire need.
 
Brwned said:
Madrid's greatest ever player was a consummate team-player and managed to dominate the European game for years without this ego so I don't think it's true that ego really is a necessary component to being this good.
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Times have changed, ego is a by-product of today's game.
 
steffyr2 said:
From also watching Ronaldo for 12 years (how time flies!), I'd say that he's extraordinarily talented, and then has worked every day, day in and day out, on top of that to be the best player he can be. The result? Finally he won the CL for the 2nd time. Not his best performance, but he probably was afraid that he wouldn't play at all, or would pull up injured.
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I agree with that. But that still does not take from the fact that he is a narcissist, regardless of what he achieves on the pitch.

And there are more than one set of personality theories. One theory says there are 16 personality types like you say, but other theories say there are more or and others say there are less.
 
Has anyone here ever even played football? Or more importantly scored a goal?
Ronaldo is very animated when scoring but he wouldn't be the same person without that.

I think a lot of you have grossly misread the situation. Ronaldos over the top celebration was not only for himself (which is justified as he has been the best player in the tournament) it was also to rub it in Atleticos faces aswell. There is a big rivalry over there between the two Madrid clubs. Atletico won the league, they probably had abit of arrogance about themselves. Stuff could have got said in the tunnel, on the pitch which ruffled Ronaldos feathers. You just don't know. Ronaldo is doing what most footballers do when scoring in a derby. Gerrard does it all the time when he scores against us, Adebayor against Arsenal takes the biscuit though :lol:
I just think people are being so fastidous with Ronaldo nowadays he simply can't win all people over. If he doesn't celebrate he gets slated, if he does he gets slated. What do people suggest? If I was him I would carry on doing what he does in his own way. Its paying the bills.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Agreed he had a poor game by his own standard as he was not 100% fit, but he did involve in 3 (if not 4) of the goals though (scored a penalty, made an 'assist' to Marcelo, although it was pretty much a solo goal, and made the pass to Di Maria which result in Bale's header. Even for Ramos goal he did help indirectly with his movement, drawing defenders away and open up space for Ramos to head the crucial goal)
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you are clutching at straws there. If you take that credo, you may as well thank the guys who pumped the football before the match, because ramos wouldnt have scored if the ball was flat.

Ramos scored the goal that saved madrid. Ronaldo had about as much to do with that goal as any of his other team mates, in that the defenders were marking them all.

What he did do was track back for bales goal, that was the main thing he did. The pass for marcelo, well football involves passing. Tom cleverly could have made that pass. Nothing to it, just another pass.
 
predator said:
Has anyone here ever even played football? Or more importantly scored a goal?
Ronaldo is very animated when scoring but he wouldn't be the same person without that.

I think a lot of you have grossly misread the situation. Ronaldos over the top celebration was not only for himself (which is justified as he has been the best player in the tournament) it was also to rub it in Atleticos faces aswell. There is a big rivalry over there between the two Madrid clubs. Atletico won the league, they probably had abit of arrogance about themselves. Stuff could have got said in the tunnel, on the pitch which ruffled Ronaldos feathers. You just don't know. Ronaldo is doing what most footballers do when scoring in a derby. Gerrard does it all the time when he scores against us, Adebayor against Arsenal takes the biscuit though :lol:
I just think people are being so fastidous with Ronaldo nowadays he simply can't win all people over. If he doesn't celebrate he gets slated, if he does he gets slated. What do people suggest? If I was him I would carry on doing what he does in his own way. Its paying the bills.
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So true. And let us remind ourself that when Ronaldo scored crucial goals in both legs against us last year, he didn't celebrate out of his genuine respect to us. So in return I think its really small time for our fans here to slate him for over the top goal celebration in CL final at his home soil against their rival. Yes he was so full of himself, but he doesn't do any harm to anyone.
 
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northbynorthwest said:
you are clutching at straws there. If you take that credo, you may as well thank the guys who pumped the football before the match, because ramos wouldnt have scored if the ball was flat.

Ramos scored the goal that saved madrid. Ronaldo had about as much to do with that goal as any of his other team mates, in that the defenders were marking them all.

What he did do was track back for bales goal, that was the main thing he did. The pass for marcelo, well football involves passing. Tom cleverly could have made that pass. Nothing to it, just another pass.
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Well end of the day what matter is like it or not, he was involved in 3 or 4 goals, even though it might not be crucial or significant. He was not one of the better player on the pitch, that's for sure, but he did play his part in the win, that's what I am saying.
 
The ones who didn't like him, would find that to celebrate a meaningless goal like that as 'outrageous' and self-absorb. The ones who liked him, would find it hilarious where he could celebrate however he want after scoring in CL Final (and make him the highest goal scorer in one CL season).

Simple as.
 
predator said:
Has anyone here ever even played football? Or more importantly scored a goal?
Ronaldo is very animated when scoring but he wouldn't be the same person without that.

I think a lot of you have grossly misread the situation. Ronaldos over the top celebration was not only for himself (which is justified as he has been the best player in the tournament) it was also to rub it in Atleticos faces aswell. There is a big rivalry over there between the two Madrid clubs. Atletico won the league, they probably had abit of arrogance about themselves. Stuff could have got said in the tunnel, on the pitch which ruffled Ronaldos feathers. You just don't know. Ronaldo is doing what most footballers do when scoring in a derby. Gerrard does it all the time when he scores against us, Adebayor against Arsenal takes the biscuit though :lol:
I just think people are being so fastidous with Ronaldo nowadays he simply can't win all people over. If he doesn't celebrate he gets slated, if he does he gets slated. What do people suggest? If I was him I would carry on doing what he does in his own way. Its paying the bills.
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Or on the cafe he can do no wrong. I might agree with it being a wind up to the opposition fans if it was another player but Ronaldo? Nah, everyone pretty much knows he's extremely self centred and egotistical so I'd say that's a far less likely scenario!
 
RedRonaldo said:
Well end of the day what matter is like it or not, he was involved in 3 or 4 goals, even though it might not be crucial or significant. He was not one of the better player on the pitch, that's for sure, but he did play his part in the win, that's what I am saying.
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im not denying that, but di maria had a bigger influence on the game for madrid. Modric too was very good. but di maria was immense. Huge difference in his game than under mourinho.
 
steffyr2 said:
How do you know whether he had an ego or not? Or whether he was "consummate team player"?
Seems like Ronaldo is a "consummate team player", right?
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Listen to him. Then listen to Ronaldo. It's reflected in the way he plays the game and the way his team-mates talk about him as well. Di Stéfano was a very humble, team-orientated man. People have lots of lovely things to say about Ronaldo but I don't think anyone would deny the size of his ego. I don't think it's a controversial claim to suggest Di Stéfano would never have celebrated like so:

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About the 6th best player on the night, scores a pen when the game is already over, celebrates like he won it single handily...

Great player but you just feel his motivation is always the legend of Ronaldo over all else.... considering what he's earning and achieved who can question him, I suppose.

I wonder if he was booked in for his chest wax and eyebrow shaping before or after the last training session.
 
northbynorthwest said:
im not denying that, but di maria had a bigger influence on the game for madrid. Modric too was very good. but di maria was immense. Huge difference in his game than under mourinho.
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No question on that. Di Maria was the best player that match, followed by Modric. Ramos and Bale were the heroes, and Ronaldo did play his part in the win.
 
redtilldead123 said:
Ronaldo's awful self obsessed celebration after simply scoring a penalty made me cringe he is such a twat sometimes. Bale was the hero of Madrid's win.

Ronaldo makes himself look more of a knob every day.
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Hero? Missed an easy chance, and managed to head one in from 2 yards after a pretty anon game.
 
Brwned said:
Listen to him. Then listen to Ronaldo. It's reflected in the way he plays the game and the way his team-mates talk about him as well. Di Stéfano was a very humble, team-orientated man. People have lots of lovely things to say about Ronaldo but I don't think anyone would deny the size of his ego. I don't think it's a controversial claim to suggest Di Stéfano would never have celebrated like so:

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It's not even about the exact manner in which he celebrated (which is a bit cringe but there you go) It's the over the top celebration of an utterly meaningless goal. An utterly meaningless penalty goal, no less.
 
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After the champions league final all people on here are talking about is ronaldos celebration and Ronaldo. That is what he wanted. Mission accomplished.
 
RedRonaldo said:
So true. And let us remind ourself that when Ronaldo scored crucial goals in both legs against us last year, he didn't celebrate out of his genuine respect to us. So in return I think its really small time for our fans here to slate him for over the top goal celebration in CL final at his home soil against their rival. Yes he was so full of himself, but he doesn't do any harm to anyone.
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I didn't by into that act last season, he did the polite thing. But when the game opened up in the last few minutes he spurned a couple opportunities to lay in better placed teammates, to go it on his own.

No problem with his ego on my part, it makes him who he is. The celebration was over the top though. But he's earned it.
 
united_99 said:
Usually I don't mind his arrogance, it's funny and something different at times. But this time it was too much over the top, very cringeworthy.

Lots of players have scored much more important / crucial goals and they still manage to celebrate with their team mates.

For Bale the CL win had huge importance, too, especially with his price tag. He still didn't do a Ronaldo. He also thanked Di Maria. Yes Di Maria, too, who actually was the man of the match. He didn't make it all about himself.

Hell, Iniesta made it all about the Espanyol player who had died when he scored THE most important goal in Spain's history. But then Iniesta is one of the most likable players around and still at least as good and definitely more successful than Ronaldo. Arrogance is fine, but extremely exaggerated arrogance is not really needed to be a truly world class player! Lots of players manage to be great without it.
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Ridiculous!
 
I don't think people would be so focused in his over-the-top celebration if it wasn't for him passing the idea that he wasn't happy until then. Such a focus on himself in a team sport is a bit suspicious. Plenty of players celebrate like goofs here and there, people laugh and move on. 10 guys celebrating together an him alone just looks weird, and it happens more than occasionally.
 
Brwned said:
Listen to him. Then listen to Ronaldo. It's reflected in the way he plays the game and the way his team-mates talk about him as well. Di Stéfano was a very humble, team-orientated man. People have lots of lovely things to say about Ronaldo but I don't think anyone would deny the size of his ego. I don't think it's a controversial claim to suggest Di Stéfano would never have celebrated like so:
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Nobody celebrated the way sports stars do today back when Di Stefano played. Just take a look at how rugby players never ever celebrated scoring back in the 70's and earlier with how they celebrate today. However with respect to your point I dont think Di Stefano would have celebrated the way they do today if he was part of the current era.
 
Revan said:
Ridiculous!
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Not really! If I had to put my house on picking one of Iniesta and Ronaldo to perform in an important game, it would be Iniesta every day of the week without a shadow of doubt.

Ronaldo can be a stat freak and over a season better than Iniesta and therefore more important - I have no problem with that - but for me when it matters most in the most important games, Iniesta is just more valuable.
 
united_99 said:
Not really! If I had to put my house on picking one of Iniesta and Ronaldo to perform in an important game, it would be Iniesta every day of the week without a shadow of doubt.

Ronaldo can be a stat freak and over a season better than Iniesta and therefore more important - I have no problem with that - but for me when it matters most in the most important games, Iniesta is just more valuable.
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Different opinions and all the stuff which comes with it, but I just can't understand how someone might say that Iniesta is/has been at-least as good as Ronaldo. It is not even close and never has been. Ronaldo is arguably a top 10 player of all time (definitely a top 20), Iniesta isn't. There have been a lot of good players on the past 20 years or so but the only ones who can be compared with Ronaldo are Messi, Zidane and arguably the other Ronaldo, and the only one of them which was better is Messi. Iniesta and Xavi while great players, are in a category below.
 
Revan said:
Different opinions and all the stuff which comes with it, but I just can't understand how someone might say that Iniesta is/has been at-least as good as Ronaldo. It is not even close and never has been. Ronaldo is arguably a top 10 player of all time (definitely a top 20), Iniesta isn't. There have been a lot of good players on the past 20 years or so but the only ones who can be compared with Ronaldo are Messi, Zidane and arguably the other Ronaldo, and the only one of them which was better is Messi. Iniesta and Xavi while great players, are in a category below.
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Well it depends. For me dominating finals and semi finals time and time again is more valuable than scoring hattricks against some La Liga or PL team time and time again, but that might only be me, no problem!
 
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