Cristiano Ronaldo

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northbynorthwest said:
if ronaldo had scored the winning goal, his celebration would have been justified. The fact that they were 3-1 up with 20 seconds remaining when he took the kick, makes the outcome of the penalty redundant and hence any celebration pretty worthless. What ronaldo was doing was saying look at me, i got 16 goals, when it was bale who scored the decisive goal and ramos the one who got them out of jail.

Ronaldo seemed to forget that the team came within 1 and a half minutes of winning nothing and only for ramos's goal he would have won nothing, despite his brilliant goal tally.

I am not making it personal. I am simply making an impartial view of what i have seen ronaldo do. His team mates do so much for him and he rarely thanks them publicly and ive seen it a lot. We know how good ronaldo is and he doesnt have to go and show off and demonstrate to the world his talent.

I would guess one of the reasons he celebrated like that was he knew he played poorly and that the papers would be criticizing him tomorrow. I would say he dreamed of scoring a hat trick last night and got a rude awakening as to how poorly he played, with respect to what he can do. He had to score a goal in the final, that was haunting him. I would say that had he not scored a goal and real won 3-1, he would have been bitterly disappointed. Thats the psychology of me.
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fyp. Unless you're close acquaintances with Ronaldo?

I'd say that he's happy that he didn't come off injured and missing the WC. Assuming he didn't get reinjured in that game....
 
Was he fit last night? Anyone got stats for distance covered? He didn't seem to run much.
 
matherto said:
Nowhere near fit, that much was apparent.
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One thing I like about Ronaldo is that he never hides. Even when it doesn't come off he's always trying stuff. Yesterday there was none of that. He see barely involved.
 
="RedRonaldo, post: 15754835, member: 6640"]That's by all means way too harsh on him.
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I am actually nice to him. I said he was a terrific footballer, which he is.

First thats one of the winning and final goal in CL cup final, most would have celebrated crazily. Secondly he was playing in home soil, same stadium Portugal lost out in Euro final 10 years ago, its surely an emotional thing for him too. Thirdly it was his 17th goal, the all time record-breaking goal too, doesn't happen often for sure. If there is someone who is worthy of that kind of celebration judging on the overall contribution throughout the tournament, that one has to be Ronaldo to be fair.
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We know he had scored the 17th goal. Very good. hes an extremely good player. No need to show to the world what he has achieved. That 17th goal was redundant with regards the match. It meant nothing. But he is basically making the point, ive scored 17, what has messi or bale done. Through his body language that is what he is conveying.

Apparently he wasn't 100% fit after rushing back from his recent troublesome injury, yet he didn't play selfishly and go for his own glory throughout the match too, most of the time he would pass the ball to his teammates in better position. Individual-wise you could say he was having a rather dull 90 mins, yet he also provided another assist to his teammates to help the team to score. If 1 goal and 1 assist in the cup final and total 17 goals scored in just 11 games played doesn't justify such celebration, I don't know what else does. A CL trophy doesn't only win by one single match mind, and Ronaldo fully deserves to have his own glory moment.
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The whole thing stinks of a PR stunt to get the attention on him. It was Sergio Ramos who saved the day. Bale won the match. Marcelo put the icing on the cake and ronaldo had to have his moment. He wonders then why opposition fans dont like him. He does himself no favors. He simply doesnt need to do that. He is one of the best players of all time and his goals show that. Score the penalty and move on.

Besides, the last goal in final minutes is usually celebrating time for the winning team too. Maybe its merely a case of over-analyzing too much afterall.
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I understand your point alright. But Lets say hypothetically he had scored the third goal, his celebration would have been grand. To be three goals up and do that, is just rubbing it in. It was rude and disrespectful to say the least. Now i am still glad R madrid won, because Althletico were doing so much fowling and Di maria was cynically taken out, although to equalize in the last two minutes must be hard for athletico to take. It was bad taste though and i was happy for him to have won another CL, because he wont win a european cup or world cup. But when he goes off and does that, good luck to him. Its bale and ramos and modric and di maria who deserve the credit. They are the ones who did the work.

Only for ramos equalizing, ronaldo would have scored 16 goals and not won. That just does not register with him. Some of these players are so self absorbed. So he scores 70 goals a season, which is extremely good and is the mark of a genius of a player. But at the end of the day every goal he scores bar a penalty or free kick has been set up by a team mate. Without his team mates he would be nothing.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Was he fit last night? Anyone got stats for distance covered? He didn't seem to run much.
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He didn't but he did track back to stop the Atletico counter which led to the Real counter for Bale to score. Not saying its down to him obviously, but its something that I think people just ignore. He was actually deeper than every Madrid player except Casillas to play it out after snuffing the attack.
 
There is more to the champions league than just the final. The first leg vs Bayern was an extremely tough match too and just as important as the final and in that match pepe was immense. There was also the away game vs Dortmund where casillas kept Madrid in the game. Every player in the squad has the right to get into the kit and celebrate.
 
northbynorthwest said:
Whats your point?
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You wrote all this for a person who you haven't met (I assume) because of your opinion on what you see in the 2-3 minutes of the game that he's on the screen.

I would guess one of the reasons he celebrated like that was he knew he played poorly and that the papers would be criticizing him tomorrow. I would say he dreamed of scoring a hat trick last night and got a rude awakening as to how poorly he played, with respect to what he can do. He had to score a goal in the final, that was haunting him. I would say that had he not scored a goal and real won 3-1, he would have been bitterly disappointed. Thats the psychology of the guy.
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Fairly consistently negative right? The question is why you wouldn't think that he celebrated because his team just won the CL, and he scored.

Someone asked how much running he did in the game. I haven't seen an answer, but being able to play the entire game is amazing.
 
People look way to hard at his performances. Some players don't have great games every time that take the field, Ronaldo is no different.
 
LARulz said:
He didn't but he did track back to stop the Atletico counter which led to the Real counter for Bale to score. Not saying its down to him obviously, but its something that I think people just ignore. He was actually deeper than every Madrid player except Casillas to play it out after snuffing the attack.
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He was back defending for every corner and then sprinting forward to support the counter. Lad came back from injury and played the full 120mins. He might be a petulant brat but he's a true professional.
 
Treble said:
Football stars are generally false heroes. Most of them are poorly educated and plainly stupid off the pitch. It's a bad sign of the times that they are much more famous and rich than the best scientists on the planet, the ones from whose insights we expect solutions for our most serious problems: poverty, oppresssion, cancer, climate change etc. In any case, Ronaldo's behaviour isn't even remotely as bad as what Giggs did to his brother. Now, that's a despicable behaviour, isn't it? What do we think about that? Or because it didn't happen in a football game, it didn't matter.
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LOL at scientist finding solutions for Poverty, oppression, and climate change( don't even get me started on that subject). The only thing on there that they could find a solution for is cancer(perhaps one day).

As for footballers being stupid, I am in total agreement.
 
Utd7 said:
Ronnie is a legend and legends can do whatever they want.
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That celebration wasn't just for that game. It was for everything that had been accomplished with the club. The CL title was the only thing that was missing.

I didn't really have a problem with him taking his shirt off and going crazy. It was the flexing that made it look ridiculous.
 
Maybe it's just a case of realizing his dream of showing off his muscle in cup final, after spending years of extra hours hitting the gym, you know.
 
Ronaldo's awful self obsessed celebration after simply scoring a penalty made me cringe he is such a twat sometimes. Bale was the hero of Madrid's win.

Ronaldo makes himself look more of a knob every day.
 
redtilldead123 said:
Ronaldo's awful self obsessed celebration after simply scoring a penalty made me cringe he is such a twat sometimes. Bale was the hero of Madrid's win.

Ronaldo makes himself look more of a knob every day.
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Bale was the hero? As if. Bale was terrible all game until he scored the header, and even then the bulk of the work was done by Di Maria.

Ask any Real fan - the hero of the game was Sergio Ramos, and frankly I can't disagree. Without him, they lose the cup. Just take a look at the Spanish edition of Marca from Sunday and you'll see.
 
redtilldead123 said:
Ronaldo's awful self obsessed celebration after simply scoring a penalty made me cringe he is such a twat sometimes. Bale was the hero of Madrid's win.

Ronaldo makes himself look more of a knob every day.
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I thought Ramos was the one that changed the game.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
That celebration wasn't just for that game. It was for everything that had been accomplished with the club. The CL title was the only thing that was missing.

I didn't really have a problem with him taking his shirt off and going crazy. It was the flexing that made it look ridiculous.
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Bullshit. The result of that game (and whatever it meant for Real Madrid) was decided with the third goal. The celebration after scoring the penalty was about Ronaldo and Ronaldo alone.

The most self-indulgent, toe-curling bit of egocentricity I've ever seen on a football field. What a fecking prat.
 
Thankfully, Ronnie doesn't give a damn what bunch of jealous people and moral guides on internet think of him and will continue to do what he wants which is the best part.
 
Whether he celebrated out of pure joy or real ego-centrism, we don't know and we should never fecking care anyway. When you're as good as him, as consistent as him and as decisive as him, you can be the biggest and most arrogant prick there is in my book, he's earned that right to celebrate however he wants it.
I laugh when I see losers like Batotelli celebrate arrogantly because they've accomplished next to nothing but for Ronaldo there is no criticism from me.
 
i think people are making the mistake of thinking that just because others find his behaviour distasteful... that they actually care. i thought his celebrations by himself were ridiculous, but simultaneously, it's not a big deal. it's still an opinion, and a valid one at that, but not any sort of 'gives a shitometre'.
 
Malva said:
i think people are making the mistake of thinking that just because others find his behaviour distasteful... that they actually care. i thought his celebrations by himself were ridiculous, but simultaneously, it's not a big deal. it's still an opinion, and a valid one at that, but not any sort of 'gives a shitometre'.
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exactly.
 
steffyr2 said:
You wrote all this for a person who you haven't met (I assume) because of your opinion on what you see in the 2-3 minutes of the game that he's on the screen.
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The thing about psychology is that you can divide 7 billion people on this planet in maybe twenty personality types or there abouts. So based on this premise one can deduce from about 12 years of watching ronaldo, through how he conducts himself what type of guy he is. He is the ultimate footballing narcissist. Terrific player no question, but a prima donna.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bullshit. The result of that game (and whatever it meant for Real Madrid) was decided with the third goal. The celebration after scoring the penalty was about Ronaldo and Ronaldo alone.

The most self-indulgent, toe-curling bit of egocentricity I've ever seen on a football field. What a fecking prat.
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well said.
 
kouroux said:
Whether he celebrated out of pure joy or real ego-centrism, we don't know and we should never fecking care anyway. When you're as good as him, as consistent as him and as decisive as him, you can be the biggest and most arrogant prick there is in my book, he's earned that right to celebrate however he wants it.
I laugh when I see losers like Batotelli celebrate arrogantly because they've accomplished next to nothing but for Ronaldo there is no criticism from me.
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We don't know any more than we can ever fully "know" anyone's motivation for anything. We can, however, speculate. And bearing in mind the scoreline and time in the game it's fairly obvious that his celebration was unlikely to be fuelled by Madrid being more likely to win the CL. Whether we "care" or not is a bit of a moot point. I definitely care enough to call him a prat on an internet forum. In the grand scheme of things, though, that's probably not very much at all.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bullshit. The result of that game (and whatever it meant for Real Madrid) was decided with the third goal. The celebration after scoring the penalty was about Ronaldo and Ronaldo alone.

The most self-indulgent, toe-curling bit of egocentricity I've ever seen on a football field. What a fecking prat.
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As much as I admire Ronaldo and I'm trying to justify his antics by saying, he has played a huge role in that trophy with the amount of goals he has scored throughout... I still can't get over the way he celebrated. It just lacks a little class but hey, its done with.. they've got their CL win, he's a double winner and he's scored in two finals.

We all knew he's a prat in that sense, I don't think one celebration was going to change that perception of him. The bag he wore going in kind of said it all.
 
Just seen the highlights. Was it him that was just wondering around on the half way line while the whole team celebrated Bale's goal?
 
Funnily enough he put in a very humble and professional performance considering he was not match fit, major injury doubt but he kept it simple and yes was kind of invisible but there was no sulking or frustration on his part.. whereas with Rooney, you can clearly tell he's injured and he is awful to the point he brings the entire team down. Ruined it all after the Bale goal though.
 
Just to be clear, I don't mind an arrogant goal celebration. Probably my all-time favourite goal celebration would be Cantona after "that" goal against Sunderland. Just thought it was particularly classless to celebrate like that in the context of this particular game, at that particular time.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Bullshit. The result of that game (and whatever it meant for Real Madrid) was decided with the third goal. The celebration after scoring the penalty was about Ronaldo and Ronaldo alone.

The most self-indulgent, toe-curling bit of egocentricity I've ever seen on a football field. What a fecking prat.
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You must hate our new manager then, he is no stranger to self-acclaimed greatness and over the top celebration.
 
JohnDoe said:
Especially when he looked like he couldn't care less after the other goals.
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Did exactly the same in the semi, only managed to crack a smile after he scored, I guess you need to be that self obsessed in order to achieve what he has.
 
hebegebe said:
Did exactly the same in the semi, only managed to crack a smile after he scored, I guess you need to be that self obsessed in order to achieve what he has.
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I don't think that's true at all. Look at how Messi behaves on the pitch, for example.

I do think his drive to be the very best is admirable and a big factor in his excellence. It's just rare to see any footballer so blatantly wrapped up in individual glory. Can't think of anyone else I've ever watched anyway.
 
Usually I don't mind his arrogance, it's funny and something different at times. But this time it was too much over the top, very cringeworthy.

Lots of players have scored much more important / crucial goals and they still manage to celebrate with their team mates.

For Bale the CL win had huge importance, too, especially with his price tag. He still didn't do a Ronaldo. He also thanked Di Maria. Yes Di Maria, too, who actually was the man of the match. He didn't make it all about himself.

Hell, Iniesta made it all about the Espanyol player who had died when he scored THE most important goal in Spain's history. But then Iniesta is one of the most likable players around and still at least as good and definitely more successful than Ronaldo. Arrogance is fine, but extremely exaggerated arrogance is not really needed to be a truly world class player! Lots of players manage to be great without it.
 
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