Cristiano Ronaldo

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Pink Moon said:
To be fair, if that was the criteria Messi would win it every year. I think when you're the best player in the best team that won everything before them then your inclusion is more than justified. If he wins it he'll have earned it. Not as good a player as Messi or Ronaldo but had an awesome season.
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And if Messi wins it every year due to being the best footballer on the planet then it's well deserved. There isn't a sensible argument to suggest otherwise.

For what it's worth, I think Cristiano has outperformed Messi over the past year. However, all of Messi's previous four wins are completely and utterly warranted.
 
adexkola said:
And that's where I disagree. Sure they are consistent in putting away teams that would count a draw against Barcelona or Real Madrid as cause for celebration. That should factor into the calculations, but consider the fact that the goal of those 2 teams is to feed the ball to Ronaldo and Messi as much as possible and let them work. They are the focal points of their teams, their numbers are amazing.

Barcelona and Real have such advantage over other clubs both in their league and in Europe, that Messi and Ronaldo have to bring more to the table than results that are built upon that advantage. This year they haven't, not compared to what Ribery has done at least. But I doubt he cares, he won the treble and he's going to the World Cup. Likewise Sneidjer, Beckham, Keane, et al...
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The goal of the two teams is to feed the ball to Messi and Ronaldo because they are that good. I would argue Ribery isn't good enough to have a side completely built to get the best out of him which is why that will never happen in his case. Ronaldo and Messi do it week after week, season after season with ridiculous consistency.

What advantage? Bayern took the piss out of the Bundesliga last season and were more comfortable that Barca were in the La Liga.
 
akash02 said:
The goal of the two teams is to feed the ball to Messi and Ronaldo because they are that good. I would argue Ribery isn't good enough to have a side completely built to get the best out of him which is why that will never happen in his case. Ronaldo and Messi do it week after week, season after season with ridiculous consistency.

What advantage? Bayern took the piss out of the Bundesliga last season and were more comfortable that Barca were in the La Liga.
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Ronaldo doesn't contribute more than Messi though in terms of assists, tackles and interceptions does he?
 
Rowem said:
What does that have to do with what I said about Jones and the midfield?
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Your point was that Jones marking Ronaldo meant that the latter was having a positive influence on the game, which isn't true. That's like saying Jones marked Fellaini/Bale because they were having a positive influence. He marked these players because they're dangerous. My point to you is that the first half was the best half of the first leg he had out of the 180 mins he played against us and that anybody who mentions goals to cover up his performances is using poor logic.
 
MoneyMay said:
Your point was that Jones marking Ronaldo meant that the latter was having a positive influence on the game, which isn't true. That's like saying Jones marked Fellaini/Bale because they were having a positive influence. He marked these players because they're dangerous. My point to you is that the first half was the best half of the first leg he had out of the 180 mins he played against us and that anybody who mentions goals to cover up his performances is using poor logic.
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No offence, but what the total feck are you on about? :confused:

If a team has to virtually sacrifice a player in order to double up on an opponent to keep them quiet, then that opponent is clearly having a positive influence on the match. I don't understand your Fellaini/Bale reference, but yeah Jones did the same role on them, presumably in order to prepare for having to do the same against Ronaldo. Even in those games, whilst it kept them quiet, it meant that we were light in midfield.

I'm really confused how you don't follow this concept.
 
Rowem said:
No offence, but what the total feck are you on about? :confused:

If a team has to virtually sacrifice a player in order to double up on an opponent to keep them quiet, then that opponent is clearly having a positive influence on the match. I don't understand your Fellaini/Bale reference, but yeah Jones did the same role on them, presumably in order to prepare for having to do the same against Ronaldo. Even in those games, whilst it kept them quiet, it meant that we were light in midfield.

I'm really confused how you don't follow this concept.
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I don't think you understand what was wrong in your post, no offence. You said that Jones marked Ronaldo because he was having a positive influence on the game. This isn't true at all - he marked Ronaldo, or marked the area Ronaldo occupied, from the beginning. It was a predefined tactic, before Ronaldo even entered the field. That's what I don't comprehend about your post. The man-marking tactic is defined before a game most of the time, just like with Jones, so you saying Jones marked Ronaldo because he was having a positive influence on the game is clearly wrong.
 
Kag said:
And if Messi wins it every year due to being the best footballer on the planet then it's well deserved. There isn't a sensible argument to suggest otherwise.

For what it's worth, I think Cristiano has outperformed Messi over the past year. However, all of Messi's previous four wins are completely and utterly warranted.
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I agree. I'm Messi's biggest fan. That post isn't downplaying Messi's achievements because they were 100% deserved like you say. What I'm getting at is if it's purely down to who the best player is then people will start calling it an even bigger farce than they already are. What would be the point in turning up? I hope Messi wins it again this year but think Ronaldo will but if Ribery does win it then it won't be as bad as people are making out because despite being an inferior player he was the best man in the best team who won everything. Simply put, there's more to consider than just goals and player ability. How their ability impacted their team and the game is relevant.
 
Rowem said:
No. Re-read.

Here is my post again for you: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cristiano-ronaldo.348358/page-274#post-14531992

Not sure how you've managed to interpret it in that way...
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Apologies, I didn't look back at your post (I just woke up, so take that as my excuse). My point still remains - the first half of the first leg is the best he played against us. The other halves were decent, but the overall contribution just wasn't there. (Jones moving to the right didn't make much of a difference to Real Madrid controlling the midfield, they were always going to have the advantage.)
 
Pexbo said:
I hope so. I hate the humble little prick.
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And in line with that, Messi's comments after the Portugal-Sweden game...
"I was very happy for him when he scored those goals," Messi told reporters.

"It's just great when the best teams compete in Brazil, and Cristiano has had a great scoring rate for many years.

"I don't know if this is Cristiano's best moment, but he is always there, scoring goals in all the games and playing his part for his club and his country. He has been like that for many years."
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Danny1982 said:
And in line with that, Messi's comments after the Portugal-Sweden game...
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I just can't help but think it's all a bit of an act :lol: I refuse to believe he doesn't have an ego, he's one of the best players to ever play the game and there's quite a few little stories doing the round of him being a bit of a spoilt brat around the Barca camp. How true they are I have no idea, probably bullshit internet rumours but meh, I just can't take to him. I can't particularly take to Ronaldo but he's a Fergie product so I have a bit of an attachment.

It reminds me of Thierry Henry when he was on the top of his game. Everyone spoke of what a humble chap he was and then it turns out a few years later he's got a bit of a god complex and a lot of the younger players at Arsenal found him difficult to be around.
 
I think a lot of people would quite like him to be a nasty little cnut so I'd imagine a few pretty normal arguments etc are reported as him being a spoilt brat or whatever. He might genuinely just be a fairly decent bloke.
 
Pexbo said:
I just can't help but think it's all a bit of an act :lol: I refuse to believe he doesn't have an ego, he's one of the best players to ever play the game and there's quite a few little stories doing the round of him being a bit of a spoilt brat around the Barca camp. How true they are I have no idea, probably bullshit internet rumours but meh, I just can't take to him. I can't particularly take to Ronaldo but he's a Fergie product so I have a bit of an attachment.

It reminds me of Thierry Henry when he was on the top of his game. Everyone spoke of what a humble chap he was and then it turns out a few years later he's got a bit of a god complex and a lot of the younger players at Arsenal found him difficult to be around.
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I dislike Honry. I don't hate him, hate is a strong word, well actually no, I hate Honry. fecker.
 
Pexbo said:
I just can't help but think it's all a bit of an act :lol: I refuse to believe he doesn't have an ego, he's one of the best players to ever play the game and there's quite a few little stories doing the round of him being a bit of a spoilt brat around the Barca camp. How true they are I have no idea, probably bullshit internet rumours but meh, I just can't take to him. I can't particularly take to Ronaldo but he's a Fergie product so I have a bit of an attachment.

It reminds me of Thierry Henry when he was on the top of his game. Everyone spoke of what a humble chap he was and then it turns out a few years later he's got a bit of a god complex and a lot of the younger players at Arsenal found him difficult to be around.
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Of course he's got an ego. Looking beyond the bullshit there are plenty of stories about how he can be a cnut at times. It just gets swept under the carpet because Ronaldo's meant to be the bad guy and he's the god send.
 
Pexbo said:
I just can't help but think it's all a bit of an act :lol: I refuse to believe he doesn't have an ego, he's one of the best players to ever play the game and there's quite a few little stories doing the round of him being a bit of a spoilt brat around the Barca camp. How true they are I have no idea, probably bullshit internet rumours but meh, I just can't take to him. I can't particularly take to Ronaldo but he's a Fergie product so I have a bit of an attachment.

It reminds me of Thierry Henry when he was on the top of his game. Everyone spoke of what a humble chap he was and then it turns out a few years later he's got a bit of a god complex and a lot of the younger players at Arsenal found him difficult to be around.
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I thought it was really clear and not a mystery that Henry had a big big ego at Arsenal during his best years, it certainly didn't feel like news to me. All great players have egos.
 
fishfingers15 said:
I don't know, didn't he have a terrible mullet?
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Business up front, party in the rear.

He should trial the Fellani fro now.

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mariachi-19 said:
Of course he's got an ego. Looking beyond the bullshit there are plenty of stories about how he can be a cnut at times. It just gets swept under the carpet because Ronaldo's meant to be the bad guy and he's the god send.
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Most people who care little about football or who care but are neutral and don't look at these players in much depth will interpret it that way. That much is true. But I don't think the world randomly decided to pick on him. It's a lot about the manner in which he has presented himself in the press or in the pitch in the past. I know it's unfair and most of the issues reflect nothing but some social immaturity rather than him being a cnut or anything close. But it's still some of his actions that lead to these simplistic and shallow interpretations.

For example, only recently has he begun to have the vast majority of Portuguese on his back. For the best Portuguese football player it was a bit odd that so many people actively disliked him for a long time of his career. Unlike other examples of popular Portuguese players who made the bulk of their careers outside the country, like Figo, Rui Costa or Nani. Him giving the finger to Benfica fans at Lisbon and purposely annoying Porto fans at Porto (when he scored the goal of the year for United) alone are perfect examples of ill-thought acts that had long-term consequences in his popularity amongst Portuguese football fans. I know he was booed by the home crowds and taunted in the first place but many players are and most don't act like that, at least not in their home country and not if they're good enough to play for the National team. Ronaldo has improved massively in this respect and has began being appreciated by everybody here, but it will take longer for that to happen (if it ever does) on an international scale. Some perceptions of him being arrogant, over-cocky, etc, will never change. It's a shame as I think he is a much more genuine, funny and pleasant guy than the likes of Figo or Messi, but the later ones being reserved and careful has benefited them more. It's a smarter approach for a public figure, as public opinions are formed quickly and with little depth, in any other sector as well.

The public and global images that their clubs project (whether fair or not) is also an important part of it. Would the story be the same if Messi played for Real and Ronaldo for Barcelona?
 
Why would he be calling for the ball in that situation? He's miles behind Ronaldo at that stage, isn't he?
 
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He's copying Casillas' votes for Ballon d'Or too.

Actually, scratch that, he's 100% checking that Casillas voted him number one.
 
He told Cadena Cope: "I'm not thinking much about the Ballon d'Or. I still don't know if I will go (to the award ceremony) or not - things don't depend on just me. I'm not obsessed over it."
 
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/10631?cc=5901

Seriously?

B) Sepp Blatter, Cristiano Ronaldo and Real Madrid have been involved in a fierce, damaging and unnecessary spat over the past few weeks, fueled by the fact the written copy in Ronaldo's "Bio" on the FIFA.com website attributes an incorrect number of goals and incorrectly makes his 2013 (calendar year) scoring performance appear inferior to that of Leo Messi and ...
 
Kid Cunto said:
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He's copying Casillas' votes for Ballon d'Or too.

Actually, scratch that, he's 100% checking that Casillas voted him number one.
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haha. he deserves to be the best player of year 2013. would be a shame if he doesn't get it this year. real might won nothing this year but ronaldo has been sensational individually.
 
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