Cristiano Ronaldo

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Pink Moon said:
Could it be that maybe Mascherano got the vote because he captained the team in Messi's absence? Either way it doesn't really matter because I'm sure Messi would have voted for 3 Barcelona players as well.

Great post btw.
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As far as I'm aware, your primary captain is responsible for voting . If the rumours are true, then Messi should receive a lot of criticism, just like Ronaldo has for pulling off the same.

surf said:
Those who say he was poor against United last season must have seen something different from me. He scored in both games and one was a fantastic hanging header that is as good as any header Denis Law ever did. It was the standout moment of the whole tie, and the press was gushing over it. And for those who say he doesn't perform in big games, against United in the CL knockout stages is about as big as it gets.
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See, this is the thing about backing up Ronaldo's performances. You resort to mentioning his goals, instead of talk about his overall performance. Yes, Ronaldo scored two crucial goals, one of which happened to be the goal that knocked us out, but his overall contribution was very limited in both games. He's a big-game player, but let's not pretend he was excellent against us. In the first leg, he didn't do much. And in the second leg, he was quiet, though using the Manchester United games as an example isn't good because it's clear he was nervous.
 
I really like how fairly the players vote. Completely unbiased. Just like a good vote should be. That way you can't argue with the results.
 
Snow said:
Del Bosque has voted. He voted for Iniesta and Xavi because they are Spaniards. He also voted for Benitez for the same reason.

People don't vote on one game. They vote for their own people and/or political reasons and/or who they think is the best. If one game is enough to change their minds from one vote to another then I still say they're pretty stupid.
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One/two games, politics, favoritism, recognition - all in the same group of shit reasons why votes go to certain players.
 
akash02 said:
Where do I say that? Ribery is a very good player and is on the ballon d'or list on merit. But better than Ronaldo and Messi he's not and Bayern winning the treble makes no difference to that.

And stop with the condescending shit. I've seen plenty of Bayern
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Wait, you thought my post was condescending? You didn't even mention any positive contributions Ribéry has done this year. Look at his performances against Borussia Dortmund, Chelsea, Barcelona, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Bayer Leverkussen... Also, it's not about being better than Ronaldo and Messi, stop with this crap. It's about being better than Ronaldo and Messi this year.

fishfingers15 said:
Stop this madness. Messi shits all over Ribery. Not sure about ronaldo
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You're choosing to debate the default state of these players. I think you should take your own advice.
 
MoneyMay said:
Wait, you thought my post was condescending? You didn't even mention any positive contributions Ribéry has done this year. Look at his performances against Borussia Dortmund, Chelsea, Barcelona, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Bayer Leverkussen... Also, it's not about being better than Ronaldo and Messi, stop with this crap. It's about being better than Ronaldo and Messi this year.
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Let me repeat.

Ribery is a fantastic player who deserves his nomination and has had some fantastic games in the last year. But both Messi and Ronaldo have been better than Ribery this year which is why giving the ballon d'or to Ribery is ridiculous.
 
MoneyMay said:
Wait, you thought my post was condescending? You didn't even mention any positive contributions Ribéry has done this year. Look at his performances against Borussia Dortmund, Chelsea, Barcelona, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Bayer Leverkussen... Also, it's not about being better than Ronaldo and Messi, stop with this crap. It's about being better than Ronaldo and Messi this year.



You're choosing to debate the default state of these players. I think you should take your own advice.
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What is this default shit. Calendar year Messi shat all over Ribery.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Whatever happens about Ronaldo, it is true that Manchester United that got him going, but it is Real Madrid that has turned him into the player he is today, a machine, sad but true.
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No. It's called maturation. Whichever club Ronaldo was with when he reached his pinnacle matters less. He was going to one day hit that pinnacle barring injury. He'd be doing this for United, Milan, Bayern, etc.
 
Pepsi have apologised for this ad that apparently Pepsi Sweden published on the net before the match. :smirk:

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Confused by the Argentina vote, so let me get this straight. FIFA only allows the acting captain during the November calendar to vote? So that means the normal NT captain not present doesn't get a vote that year. If true, that's one fecked up system.
 
MoneyMay said:
As far as I'm aware, your primary captain is responsible for voting . If the rumours are true, then Messi should receive a lot of criticism, just like Ronaldo has for pulling off the same.



See, this is the thing about backing up Ronaldo's performances. You resort to mentioning his goals, instead of talk about his overall performance. Yes, Ronaldo scored two crucial goals, one of which happened to be the goal that knocked us out, but his overall contribution was very limited in both games. He's a big-game player, but let's not pretend he was excellent against us. In the first leg, he didn't do much. And in the second leg, he was quiet, though using the Manchester United games as an example isn't good because it's clear he was nervous.
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Next time, we'll only debate based on Messi's tackles and interceptions. We all know he dribbles and scores, the midget.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Next time, we'll only debate based on Messi's tackles and interceptions. We all know he dribbles and scores, the midget.
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Once you offer an argument that I can debate, then come back to me. I'll let you continue with your short posts that offer nothing new and your juvenile state.
 
MoneyMay said:
Once you offer an argument that I can debate, then come back to me. Continue with your short posts that offer nothing new.
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Listen MessiMay, you absolute godfather, stop asking people to come to you, construct an argument, build a sand castle till you stop this ridiculous nonsense of judging players on how you think should be judged. Don't sit on the fence either.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Listen MessiMay, you absolute godfather, stop asking people to come to you, construct an argument, build a sand castle till you stop this ridiculous nonsense of judging players on how you think should be judged. Don't sit on the fence either.
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I rest my case. You can't even offer a decent argument. I asked you to offer me a decent argument, no one else.
 
MoneyMay said:
As far as I'm aware, your primary captain is responsible for voting . If the rumours are true, then Messi should receive a lot of criticism, just like Ronaldo has for pulling off the same.



See, this is the thing about backing up Ronaldo's performances. You resort to mentioning his goals, instead of talk about his overall performance. Yes, Ronaldo scored two crucial goals, one of which happened to be the goal that knocked us out, but his overall contribution was very limited in both games. He's a big-game player, but let's not pretend he was excellent against us. In the first leg, he didn't do much. And in the second leg, he was quiet, though using the Manchester United games as an example isn't good because it's clear he was nervous.
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Stop judging footballers by succeeding in the aim of a game of football. Still find this opinion nuts, buddy.
 
Let me get this straight: FIFA extended the deadline because they just knew that Ronaldo was going to score 4 goals against Sweden, right?

One of the more bizarre internet conspiracy theories.
 
Snow said:
Votes in general. Messi certainly doesn't do himself any favors, well actually he does.
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Are you guys seriously making a fuss about one vote? Regardless of whether who should be the captain...etc., I mean don't you think this is kind of too small to affect the outcome, especially considering that it will eventually even itself out?

No system is perfect, we can disagree with the result, but we can't criticize the system, because it's certainly the best system available.
 
MoneyMay said:
See, this is the thing about backing up Ronaldo's performances. You resort to mentioning his goals, instead of talk about his overall performance. Yes, Ronaldo scored two crucial goals, one of which happened to be the goal that knocked us out, but his overall contribution was very limited in both games. He's a big-game player, but let's not pretend he was excellent against us. In the first leg, he didn't do much. And in the second leg, he was quiet, though using the Manchester United games as an example isn't good because it's clear he was nervous.
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In the first leg we picked Jones in central midfield with the task of helping shut out Ronaldo. Jones did quite well, but in doing so we completely gave Madrid control of centre midfield. This tactic was working quite well for us but it shows that Ronaldo was still having a huge influence on the game, creating space for his team-mates as we were doubling up on him at all opportunities. When given half an opportunity he took it.
 
Rowem said:
Let me get this straight: FIFA extended the deadline because they just knew that Ronaldo was going to score 4 goals against Sweden, right?

One of the more bizarre internet conspiracy theories.
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The decision wasn't taken on November 15th. The voting closed on 15th and was supposed to not include the playoffs, and only on the night Ronaldo scored the hattrick (November 19th) they decided to re-open the voting.

The FIFA excuse was "low turnout", but the fact that it took them 4 full days to realize that the "turnout was low", and the additional option they gave for people who already voted to change their choice, on the night Ronaldo scores a hattrick, makes the whole situation very suspicious..
 
However suspicious it looks (and I'm not sure low turnout is suspicious enough to merit being written off as an excuse), you can't really believe they did it so that Ronaldo would get more votes can you?
 
I mean if you don't support Portugal, United, Sporting or Madrid; then you probably hate him because

A) He's a sensational footballer that probably shat on your team
B) He's got the looks of a male model, has a lot of money, has probably one of the hottest girlfriends in the world, has an amazing physique that even bodybuilders admire.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
I mean if you don't support Portugal, United, Sporting or Madrid; then you probably hate him because

A) He's a sensational footballer that probably shat on your team
B) He's got the looks of a male model, has a lot of money, has probably one of the hottest girlfriends in the world, has an amazing physique that even bodybuilders admire.
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You're like the Ronaldo equivalent of one of those Justin Bieber fans, stahp!
 
Rowem said:
In the first leg we picked Jones in central midfield with the task of helping shut out Ronaldo. Jones did quite well, but in doing so we completely gave Madrid control of centre midfield. This tactic was working quite well for us but it shows that Ronaldo was still having a huge influence on the game, creating space for his team-mates as we were doubling up on him at all opportunities. When given half an opportunity he took it.
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I watched the game again. The first half of the first leg was best consistent period he had throughout the 180 mins - he was central to Real Madrid's attacking build-up play and he was very good at it, but other than that, his performances over both legs was decent at best.
 
Danny1982 said:
Are you guys seriously making a fuss about one vote? Regardless of whether who should be the captain...etc., I mean don't you think this is kind of too small to affect the outcome, especially considering that it will eventually even itself out?

No system is perfect, we can disagree with the result, but we can't criticize the system, because it's certainly the best system available.
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I'm not making any fuss. It's just that it's always the same bullshit with these awards. I don't get it why so many players and managers can't simply be honest and seriously vote what their think. At least Del Bosque is honest on his choices. His managerial choices are fair as well, even though he chose Benitez. Rafa did win a trophy after all.

Obviously we can criticize the system. It's very easy. Why is Mascherano voting? How come the manager and captain of every other country is voting except for Argentina. Why can't Argentina's captain vote? It's a global vote. Obviously the votes are being done where they live. They also have big deadline to vote. No excuse there. Either you vote or you don't. It could affect the outcome but that's not the point. That's completely irrelevant. It just makes more of a mockery of the whole thing. Not only was the date changed but now this as well.
 
The whole system is ridiculous. The captain of Mozambique voted Drogba second and left Ronaldo off last year. Casillas put Sergio Ramos first. Vucinic didn't include Messi or Ronaldo. The captain of Mali had Drogba first. The coach of Thailand had Busquets first and no Messi. Three different people voted for Balotelli.

The whole thing is a joke.
 
Eboue said:
The whole system is ridiculous. The captain of Mozambique voted Drogba second and left Ronaldo off last year. Casillas put Sergio Ramos first. Vucinic didn't include Messi or Ronaldo. The captain of Mali had Drogba first. The coach of Thailand had Busquets first and no Messi. Three different people voted for Balotelli.

The whole thing is a joke.
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It really, really is. No one ever actually votes for who is the best or most deserving. Generally in the end the right choice ends up winning but the system is seriously flawed. Was it 2010 where the word was FIFA counted votes for Xavi as Xabi and it meant he didn't win? I mean, it's ridiculous that the possibility of that can even happen.
 
Snow said:
I'm not making any fuss. It's just that it's always the same bullshit with these awards. I don't get it why so many players and managers can't simply be honest and seriously vote what their think. At least Del Bosque is honest on his choices. His managerial choices are fair as well, even though he chose Benitez. Rafa did win a trophy after all.

Obviously we can criticize the system. It's very easy. Why is Mascherano voting? How come the manager and captain of every other country is voting except for Argentina. Why can't Argentina's captain vote? It's a global vote. Obviously the votes are being done where they live. They also have big deadline to vote. No excuse there. Either you vote or you don't. It could affect the outcome but that's not the point. That's completely irrelevant. It just makes more of a mockery of the whole thing. Not only was the date changed but now this as well.
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You actually think Del Bosque thinks Iniesta deserves the ballon dor?
 
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