Yes but he's irrelevant. If by some criteria that he's definitely be better than Ronaldo then that would mean nothing in terms of United producing the X best footballer since he's also a product of United.
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Yes but he's irrelevant. If by some criteria that he's definitely be better than Ronaldo then that would mean nothing in terms of United producing the X best footballer since he's also a product of United.
Del Bosque has voted. He voted for Iniesta and Xavi because they are Spaniards. He also voted for Benitez for the same reason.
People don't vote on one game. They vote for their own people and/or political reasons and/or who they think is the best. If one game is enough to change their minds from one vote to another then I still say they're pretty stupid.
Which means they are stupid.
He was cooler. And probably a more exciting, entertaining dribbler too. Everyone knows the flashy stuff is the good stuff.
Ribery winning would be the biggest farce ever really. If this was like 2000 to 07 sure yeah give it to him to reward Bayern(though no one from United got it, and well shouldn't have in 1999). But not when you have 2 outer worldly players playing at unbelievably consistent levels. I don't even see Ribery has Bayerns star player, nor was he their best player in the semi's and final.....Robben was better than him imo, how much he wanted it was insane, but obviously not over the year.
All three goals had beautiful assists, MoutinhoWhat a player!!
Yes, now there's a player for our midfield.
Because Best was easily one of the most naturally gifted footballers to have ever played?
Del Bosque's votes sound stupid to me.
I struggle to see how Ribery winning it would be a farce
I always thought he'd fit like a glove at United.
It would be a difficult transfer though, you'd have to break the bank to get him considering what Monaco paid for him. That 70m bundle of him and James Rodriguez together was very convenient for Porto, as it disguised his transfer value, pretend James was the most valuable player, and allowed us to cheat on Sporting for their 25% profit pre-agreed share. We'd never sell Moutinho for the 25m or so that were quoted. It was closer to 40m for him and 30m for Rodriguez. You'd have to have gone for him the season before.
I sincerely hope he doesn't hang at Monaco for too long, it will be a wasted career and I miss watching him play regularly. I'm certainly not giving a minute of TV share to that plastic festival that AS Monaco is.
Wtf why is del bosque such a twat.
Thanks for the insight, mate
I've not seen enough of him, but do you think he could be of Fabregas value to United? I often find talking about value to the club is more fruitful than who's the better player as some players suit a club better than others.
Nuno Gomes, captain of the Portuguese National Team in 2008 (I just re-listened to them to make sure my memory was correct):
- "I couldn't vote for Ronaldo, if I could that's who I would vote for. Instead I chose 3 players that play in the same position as me and who aren't challenging Ronaldo for BPITW: Eto'o, Drogba, and Van Nistelrooy."
Twatish votes happen all the time, everyone benefits or is harmed by it according to the ongoing agendas. The thickness of these people... Nuno Gomes didn't even realize he was not only helping Ronaldo win the prize, but also devaluing the prize at the same time by sprouting that shit in TV.
- "I couldn't vote for Ronaldo, if I could that's who I would vote for. Instead I chose 3 players that play in the same position as me and who aren't challenging Ronaldo for BPITW: Eto'o, Drogba, and Van Nistelrooy."
Twatish votes happen all the time, everyone benefits or is harmed by it according to the ongoing agendas. The thickness of these people... Nuno Gomes didn't even realize he was not only helping Ronaldo win the prize, but also devaluing the prize at the same time by sprouting that shit in TV.
What the hell
True, but at least he wanted to vote for a deserved winner, and wasn't able to. Admittedly he should have voted for the next best rather than attempting something so convoluted and ridiculous.
Voting Iniesta and Xavi this year is a joke really.
Thanks for the insight, mate
I've not seen enough of him, but do you think he could be of Fabregas value to United? I often find talking about value to the club is more fruitful than who's the better player as some players suit a club better than others.
Yes I do. I think he would be a starter in almost any team in the world bar perhaps Barcelona and Bayern at the moment, and even there he would fight for a spot in the mid-term.
He's not an easy player to take note of. Most people aren't watching Porto or Portugal play every time. He got the spotlight yesterday because it was a play-off and few other games were being played. It was a big game, and he shines in those. He's also not a prolific goal scorer or a trickster, so youtube compilations of him won't make him justice. I'd say he excels at nothing (barring stamina and consistency) and is very good at everything. Almost anything he does you can name a player that does it better (Xavi for short passing, Pirlo for vision, Fabregas at goal-scoring, Ozil at assisting, some Makelele type at winning the ball back). But he can do all that in one single package - hence why I think he'd fit like a glove in a system were such a wide array of skills are required, like the one that United employs. He keeps on ticking game after game, making everyone around him appear better. He's the safe option to give the ball to when in trouble, damn difficult to knock it off him, if he doesn't find a team-mate he'll just spin around until he's fouled.
Beyond that, he's the perfect professional to have around. Season after season without injuries, sending offs, capable of playing 90 minutes every single time and still being one of the freshest players on the pitch in the final 10 minutes. He's always cool-headed, you don't see him making costly mistakes in critical times. He's a big game player, that much was seen yesterday, he doesn't pull those assists every game, but they come in critical moments (just like his odd goals). He's also incredibly smart at controlling the tempo of the game, as he can both play very fast and very slow. He can be infuriating for opponents with how easily goes down sometimes, but he's extremely strong and only goes down when he wants to, i.e., when he knows it's likely the referee will blow for a foul and when it's convenient for his team to slow things down. Even on these antics he's clever to moderate them enough to not falling on the wrong side of referees or opponents.
I may have overstated some things a bit, being a huge fan, but I reckon this will be the opinion of anyone who watches him play every week for three seasons. He's that good, just a little bit on the anonymous side (for a World Class player that is). It takes time to really appreciate his value, even I didn't value him this highly when he was at Sporting, as I used to see much less of him.
All my analysis excludes his time at Monaco. For me it's like his career has been suspended when he went there. I know he hasn't played much, but I don't know the reasons. I have no idea what goes on at that club.
And my apologies to everyone else for the off-topic.
This is a conspiracy against Ribery and the French people. Blatter is making up for making that funny Ronaldo video by extending the deadline day, so that more people can be swayed by this performance and vote for Ronaldo. He clearly doesn't like Ribery and Platini. I think, in his mind Blatter prefers Messi to win it again, but now that he sees that it's not possible, he's gone for Ronaldo, as he hates the French. Ribery winning it is not all that bad tbh, his team won the treble FFS.
Del Bosque maybe a twat for voting Benitez, but not all coaches and captains have votes from their national team. They'd surely vote for Ronaldo now. feck you Ronaldo, Ribery deserves it.
Del Bosque maybe a twat for voting Benitez, but not all coaches and captains have votes from their national team. They'd surely vote for Ronaldo now. feck you Ronaldo, Ribery deserves it.
I don't think there's any such thing as a one man team. I don't think there ever has been or ever will be. The money gap in the game even means we're unlikely to see another "Maradona turned Napoli from also-rans into champions" because an also-ran couldn't recruit a Maradona.
What there have always been are outstanding players, who push a team from a defeat to a draw. A draw to a win. I think that's what Ronaldo did for United, for Madrid, and last night for Portugal. At 2-1, there was a danger of collapse. That's when you want your best player to show himself and he did. If the Portuguese press have gone over the top today then it's deserved - he's had plenty of flak from them in the past about him failing to be a one man team.
In fact I'd say that last night, Ronaldo did what he always does - he kept trying. Even though his first half shooting was off, he never stopped believing, and running, and showing himself for the ball. That's extraordinary, even amongst top pros and what makes it more extraordinary is that he does it with such consistency.
i'm going to try give a balanced opinion which is probably a waste of time amongst the ridiculous extremes in here. i think ive mentioned before in here that im not neccesarily a ronaldo fan and do resent the way he left united and find the worship from our fans a little pathetic given that he simply did not want to be here and thought madrid the more attractive option. at times his attitude and ego are very offputting, at other times theyre his best quality.
with that said, since he left us he has turned into one of the best players in the world (he was already there in about 07-08) and will rightfully remembered as one of the best ever. like him or not you have to accept that what he has been achieving is almost unprecedented and in this current age of everybody in the world being able to share their opinion online it seems that no matter what he does there will always be enough voices detracting from his achievements. it would have been the same had there been such a range of shared opinion in maradonas time.
the big example is that ronaldo never stops scoring, so detractors say "ya well thats all he does" which is complete and utter rubbish. every team that plays against him sets up to try stop him, he causes opponents to play a certain way, he is a constant danger and the type of player that everybody wants in their team. when hes there opponents are scared and team mates confident. we did a good job containing him and he still scored twice. he scores incredible goals of every type; right foot, left foot, head, chest, four yards, forty yards - nothing is beyond him.
people point to la liga being weak to take from his goalscoring record. in his time at real he has 43 goals in 44 champions league games. in the last 3 years he has 22 goals in 31 internationals.
im not a big fan, but his ability is undoubted and his dedication and obvious determination to be the best in the world in incredible. it reminds me of the greats of most sports; bolt, ali etc...he just seems as if he does nothing but work to be better and better and sure enough he keeps improving. to those that say he was better in 06/07; that is absolutely wrong. its nostalgia talking. if we had him in 06/07 at his current level wed have won the champions league that year.
with that said, since he left us he has turned into one of the best players in the world (he was already there in about 07-08) and will rightfully remembered as one of the best ever. like him or not you have to accept that what he has been achieving is almost unprecedented and in this current age of everybody in the world being able to share their opinion online it seems that no matter what he does there will always be enough voices detracting from his achievements. it would have been the same had there been such a range of shared opinion in maradonas time.
the big example is that ronaldo never stops scoring, so detractors say "ya well thats all he does" which is complete and utter rubbish. every team that plays against him sets up to try stop him, he causes opponents to play a certain way, he is a constant danger and the type of player that everybody wants in their team. when hes there opponents are scared and team mates confident. we did a good job containing him and he still scored twice. he scores incredible goals of every type; right foot, left foot, head, chest, four yards, forty yards - nothing is beyond him.
people point to la liga being weak to take from his goalscoring record. in his time at real he has 43 goals in 44 champions league games. in the last 3 years he has 22 goals in 31 internationals.
im not a big fan, but his ability is undoubted and his dedication and obvious determination to be the best in the world in incredible. it reminds me of the greats of most sports; bolt, ali etc...he just seems as if he does nothing but work to be better and better and sure enough he keeps improving. to those that say he was better in 06/07; that is absolutely wrong. its nostalgia talking. if we had him in 06/07 at his current level wed have won the champions league that year.
Why would Blatter hate the french ? Do you even have something your theory on ?
I think when people say he was better in 06/07 they're confusing better with more 'exciting' maybe. He used to be tricky a winger who'd pull a trick from nowhere and leave a man on his arse beating a few men at a time. He's still capable of that of course but nowadays he's just this absolute lethal machine.
I actually prefer watching him now though.
At least a rumor or something, even from the darkest and loneliest sources of the internet 
He's a much better and complete player now. A better combination of skills and ruthlessness.
Just a matter of time before he overtakes Messi though. Especially now there's no Dr. Fuentes around.
Seriously laughing bro. Ribery deserves it? I disagree, but that's debatable. The rest of it? You sound like the terrible English press claiming Platini/Blatter hate them.
no my overall post is balanced. in spite of my opinions on how he left or his attitude/ego i can still appreciate how great a player he is. thats balance. imbalance is allowing one strong feeling to completely dominate your opinion.
if you want to talk about the circumstances in which he left i dont think theres any other way of putting than saying that he thought Madrid was a better place for him to be than United. His behaviour alot of those months was pretty poor, non celebrations, slave comments and more drama. For balance, people point to him being portuguese and spain suiting him more bla bla bla. united have been far more succesful than madrid since he went to them, so imagine what he could have achieved here as part of our team. For footballing reasons, United was the better option, I dont think he left for footballing reasons.
Ribery's team won the treble FFS and he tracks back and assists other players. He's not arrogant and he contributes to team play. He really deserves it.
using bla bla bla in there is hardly balanced, thats just dismissive.
You arent quite as balanced as you are boasting to be really.
Let's dissect this post. His team won the treble. Ok. United did the treble in 99. Winning the treble doesn't necessitate winning the award. He tracks back - great. So does Ronaldo (at times). I'd argue that Ronaldo's threat on the break (while staying forward) is greater than any help he can provide tracking back, but ok. He contributes to team play - you think Ronaldo doesn't? He really deserves it? Matter of opinion. Would I be shocked if he won it? No - but then I don't really care. I don't really care for Ronaldo since he left United. I just found your post (especially the blatter bit) funny.
When Ronaldo was at United Fergie a couple of times stated quite clearly that he DIDNT want Ronaldo to track back, it wasnt a job Ronaldo was required to do. Quite possibly there is that same instruction happening from his managers at RM and Portugal.
Not even the greatest Portuguese player ever and now some are arguing he's in the top 2 ever? Oh dear.
You were around during eusebio's playing days?
I think the Ballon D'Or should either be given to the best player in the world, that is Messi, or the most effective player who helped the team win the lot, that is Ribery. Ronaldo is neither here nor there. He played for United, but we can't be this biased. He doesn't involve himself too much in the big games, and he doesn't dribble well enough, both of which Ribery does clearly well.
Whatever happens about Ronaldo, it is true that Manchester United that got him going, but it is Real Madrid that has turned him into the player he is today, a machine, sad but true.
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