You didn't even need to go back to 1999 treble, remember Inter Milan with Mourinho ?
Cristiano Ronaldo
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You didn't even need to go back to 1999 treble, remember Inter Milan with Mourinho ?
Nah, but his record speaks for itself. If we aren't going to be acknowledging past legends 'cause we weren't there' then why bother saying someone is the 2 greatest in history?
However, according to many (I don't watch enough La Liga to comment for sure) Ronaldo has been better than Messi in the last year - so that is kind of a moot point. Again, I lol'd at you for the stuff about Blatter - who should actually get the award is definitely up for debate.
You could go back to Michael Owen and his Ballon D'Or too, where he helped Liverpool to three trophies in one season.
The way things are going, Ronnie will end up with a better record than Eusebio I think. However, I don't think they should be compared. Pele and Eusebio would probably score 100s more with the balls used today.
That doesn't make it right though. It's clear the voting for the Ballon D'or is a farce - at least the players and coaches voting. Honestly, I'd like a pure CB or MF to win it, but I don't think that has happened since Cannavaro (and he didn't deserve it iirc)
Absolutely spot on!! Imagine, using Amols logic, nobody will be talking about Ronaldo or Messi, because no-one would ever have seen them in 50 years time. As for footage, I am sure there is footage around somewhere showing Eusebio, the greatest Portuguese player, who did it for club and country.
Not tonight FF, I am talking about the Ballon D'Or in general. Well done to Ronaldo for getting his team to the World Cup in Brazil is all I can say.
Come on man, this is like the only time you can do it. Surely, next year Ronaldo is going to outperform Messi with the injuries that are starting to cloud his career.
And Ronaldo would score 100s more against the defences Eusebio faced..
You can't judge a player properly unless you watch them a great deal. Unless he's seen a lot of eusebio he isn't in a position to judge him. It's as simple as that. People love to make big claims with little knowledge to back it up with.
To be fair, getting to watch and read about Eusebio isn't that hard. By all accounts, he's the best that Portugal had to offer.
He's easily in the top 5 best players I've ever watched with Messi, Zidane, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho.
And soon some might say that about Ronaldo. Who knows? I certainly can't say either way given I haven't followed Eusebius career. Yes, you can compare achievements and form some soft of abstract opinion of a player based on here say, but to actually compare two greats directly without seeing one, in a sport like football which isn't as statistically based as something like cricket for example, is silly. I know Ronaldo isn't the greatest player of all time, of course he isn't. Nor in the top 2 like some here suggest. But people just love to form strong opinions based on so little when it comes to these best ever debates, just to take strong positions.
You didn't use the word ever kourox. You must use the word ever. You've been around for eternity and seen every single player after all.
I agree amol, it's all subjective. Only exception to that could be Messi or to a lesser extent Maradona.
He has also forgot to include the great Romario in the list who I believe scored close to 1,000 goals.
Over the last five years, the only period where Ronaldo was really better than Messi is the last two months.
Actually Ronaldo scored more goals in the last couple months than he scored in the rest of this year, and until September nobody even talked about the possibility of him winning the Ballon d'Or.
For me, his show was too late for this year, but if he can keep this form up into the next year, then next year's Ballon d'Or will be his (especially if Messi keeps getting those niggling injuries).
However, with FIFA re-opening the voting 5 days after closing it, just when Ronaldo hits a hattrick against Sweden gives you an indication which way the FIFA wants it to go at least.. Imagine if they did that after Messi hits a hattrick, what would the Ronaldo fans, or Ronaldo himself say about it..
From the players I've watched on my various TVs. The rest I could never give a proper and fair assessment of their qualities so I don't bother. This is why debates about who is the best player of all time is pointless to me. It is just impossible to know for sure considering all the different elements that need to be taken into account.
I didn't forget him, I just didn't include him in my top 5.
Indeed, this is why Bradman will always be the best batsman ever to have padded up. No-on even comes close. The stats don't lie.
Why not? Ronaldo is scoring goals for fun and this is something that we have been judging Messi on for a while so I guess we will be highlighting Ronaldo's goalscoring.
Edit: I am off to watch "Inside Natures giants", on youtube so, see y'all later.
Over the last five years, the only period where Ronaldo was really better than Messi is the last two months.
Actually Ronaldo scored more goals in the last couple months than he scored in the rest of this year, and until September nobody even talked about the possibility of him winning the Ballon d'Or.
For me, his show was too late for this year, but if he can keep this form up into the next year, then next year's Ballon d'Or will be his (especially if Messi keeps getting those niggling injuries).
However, with FIFA re-opening the voting 5 days after closing it, just when Ronaldo hits a hattrick against Sweden gives you an indication which way the FIFA wants it to go at least.. Imagine if they did that after Messi hits a hattrick, what would the Ronaldo fans, or Ronaldo himself say about it..
Spot on, the only way that anybody could ever get a Ballon D'or is for Messi to get injured or run out of form, which would be totally not possible.
You got me lost there, we were talking about Romario no ?
School level cricketer.
ignoring the rest of what i said isnt either, going out of your way to prove i amnt balanced despite two lengthy enough posts contradicting you is pathetic really. but whatever you have time for. if i replace bla bla with etc, is that more balanced? or do you care to actual suggest some worthwhile contradictory points that make his conduct in his move away from united seem anything other than self serving? thought not, on you go to try pick another battle.
I've seen enough of him to know he was the better player. World cup 66, and the european finals he played are all easy to find and his impact on the matches I've seen is better IMO than Cristianos in his similarly important games in his career(CL finalsX2, CL semis X6 for madrid, world cups, and euros)
For example In the game v north korea in 66 they were down 3-0, and the commentator says 'only Eusebio can save them now' then he proceeds to score 4 goals in a 7-3 victory. He ripped the brazilians to shreds scoring an amazing goal in the process. He was running a one man mission vs england and sadly couldn't find the back of the net. Haven't seen Cristiano have moments like that on the big stage. Till he does, I'm not changing my opinion on the matter at hand.
Fish, barrel.....
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Since Best is also a product of Manchester United, what does it matter if he's better than Ronaldo or not. If he were the 2nd best then United would still have produced the 2nd best player.
How anyone can say that Ribery deserves the award ahead of Ronaldo is mind boggling. Messi you can understand as overall he's probably had the better year but Ronaldo is head and shoulders above Ribery and no amount of trophies can change that
That V shape.
In all seriousness (not that I wasn't serious about his body), I cannot believe people are still criticizing his performances in the big games. Sure, he doesn't run the game like Rooney or Ribery, but he doesn't run it when he plays against Real Valladolid or Fulham - it's nothing to do with the opposition or occasion, simply the way he plays. Forwards & goalscorers cannot be expected to control the flow of a game, & because he plays such an advanced role (so high up the pitch) it is only natural that he will be quiet for long periods of a game if his midfield supply is cut off/marked out. If the manager instructs him to stay up the pitch so he's ready for a breakaway/counter & have others do the dirty work for him (as opposed to telling him to drop back and 'help the team out') for the good of the side, who are we to argue? It works - he will get the one chance the team creates in 90 minutes, and he will put it away. He always scores.
If he was asked to play like a real midfielder for example, he wouldn't even look as good as the likes of Ozil or Mata (in the same way Wayne Rooney will not look as good playing in goal as Joe Hart) - his skillset is simply not suited to knitting up play, it's suited to finishing it off. It is fair to say that Mourinho, Ancelotti & Ferguson (the latter, as mentioned above, has spoken about how a forward's technical side, eg. finishing and dribbling, suffers if he is tired, like Kuyt) know how to play him better than we do. No one throws these criticisms at strikers/#9s, because they aren't expected to do much in the build up, but since when has Ronaldo ever been an actual winger? The guy scores 70 goals a year for @#*$'s sake, he is clearly not playing in the same position, nor system, as Ribery. He's basically a wide forward, and a bloody good one at that.
Those awards rarely are sensible. In England they close the voting for the best player, young player and team of the years stuff in February. Still some games left then.
The Puskas awards are right around the corner. If you score the greatest goal ever in November or December then you won't get recognition for it.
I don't see why it's such a hassle to vote late in December. Most teams are already on holiday by then. It's not hard to pick in three different names on your computer or a piece of paper (depending on how it's done) which a staff then takes care of for you anyways.
Mind boggling to you, that is, but it's perfectly reasonable. Messi has had his "worst" year, compared to previous years. Ribéry has had an excellent year - he has developed into a very reliable player, both offensively and defensively. It's important to note that Messi has been injured for periods this year and has been more or less playing with one leg. He's not even been the most consistent player for Barcelona this season... I also find it mind boggling that trophies is what you think has contributed to Ribéry's name being included alongside Messi's and Ronaldo's. Make no mistake about it, Messi and Ronaldo are superior, but Ribéry's name is there for a reason. Your post speaks of someone who doesn't keep up with Bayern Munich.
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I don't think you can't vote because you're injured.
Could it be that maybe Mascherano got the vote because he captained the team in Messi's absence? Either way it doesn't really matter because I'm sure Messi would have voted for 3 Barcelona players as well.
Great post btw.
Those who say he was poor against United last season must have seen something different from me. He scored in both games and one was a fantastic hanging header that is as good as any header Denis Law ever did. It was the standout moment of the whole tie, and the press was gushing over it. And for those who say he doesn't perform in big games, against United in the CL knockout stages is about as big as it gets.
Where do I say that? Ribery is a very good player and is on the ballon d'or list on merit. But better than Ronaldo and Messi he's not and Bayern winning the treble makes no difference to that.
And stop with the condescending shit. I've seen plenty of Bayern
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