Cristiano Ronaldo

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MoneyMay said:
I agree with most of your post. I'd like to address the part I disagree with. Ronaldo did have a fantastic season, he was Real Madrid's best player by far, and was the reason they reached the semi-finals of the Champions League. He was only second to Messi in the league. The only case you can make against him is that he didn't have as good a season as the previous one (11/12), but I'd argue that his team mates let him down big time. For instance, Ozil didn't produce enough in the big games, while Benzema went missing for most of the season.

Onto the part I agree with, which is the first sentence. This really isn't about money, and the reason I say that is because this has been going on for months. It's an internal problem and I believe that it has to do with the way he is supported. At Manchester United, we loved him more than any other fans could ever imagine, everything went his way, and our club benefited, as did Ronaldo. At Real Madrid, despite scoring many goals and having a fair amount of assists, he hasn't received the right support from the fans and players. Look at the Ballon d'Or votes that Ramos and Casillas made. On top of that, Real Madrid have executed a very poor job in allowing Ronaldo to think what his worth is. At Barcelona, Messi's contract has been renewed a few times (once every year, or something like that, since 08/09) - why has this been done? It's, for a start, so they can tie him down, but more importantly, it's so that Messi knows how integral his work and position at Barcelona is. At Real Madrid, I don't even think Ronaldo has had his contract renewed once. If this was about money, he would have signed a contract long ago.
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It is about Money. The Ballon d'or thing that is in terms of opinion Spain had come of winning the Euro's and Real had a great season no surprise Real's Spanish player where considered favourites, is that a serious reason for him to be throwing a strop? neither of them won it in the end Messi did and by a wide margin. He see's Messi a player he believes he is equal to making tons of money didn't Messi just sign a new deal for 250,00 plus per week? So now he is really trying to push the club and get more money.

Where is he going to go where they can pay consistently large fees for better players? Chelsea, City or PSG. He is not looking to leave the prestige of Real for that. To say all this is because he has had no support at Real is a lie. Everyone there is always in the papers talking about how good he is all the time. Messi is a king at Barca they have chosen to treat him like for better or worse but he is Barca through and through. Ramos and Casillas are players ahead of Ronaldo at Real like it or not. This is all about his ego and money. He wants to be the best paid player in the world at Madrid and they will cave imo.
 
MoneyMay said:
I agree with most of your post. I'd like to address the part I disagree with. Ronaldo did have a fantastic season, he was Real Madrid's best player by far, and was the reason they reached the semi-finals of the Champions League. He was only second to Messi in the league. The only case you can make against him is that he didn't have as good a season as the previous one (11/12), but I'd argue that his team mates let him down big time. For instance, Ozil didn't produce enough in the big games, while Benzema went missing for most of the season.
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I think you misread his post. He said that Ronaldo had a good season in terms of stats, but it was marred by off-field drama.
 
My reasoning is pretty long, I mention a few things - it's all been mentioned in here before by others, but some not for pages back. All my reasoning is in the spoilers, for those who don't care or can't be arsed with long posts - don't worry, I'll still love ya.

Regarding Ronaldo's tweet/status; there's a good chance that Ronaldo is referring to the reports that his new deal will be worth an incredible 30m per annum, or whatever other ridiculous numbers are being thrown about by the papers.. but does that really mean it's not an encouraging tweet in our supposed quest to get him back? He seems unhappy about the reports, and he may feel that Perez is saying one thing to the public (will pay anything to keep Ronaldo) and another in private.

He always said he wanted to play in Spain - he's done that now. I believe that above all he wants to be considered the best player in the world, and loved by fans all over. At Madrid he's in Messi's shadow - he must be feeling like whatever he does that the Ballon D'or is out of reach. Ever since he moved there, there has been questions over the support from the fans at the Bernabea - it's pretty apparent that Ronaldo is sensitive and enjoys being loved. I think the game at Old Trafford this year could have seriously turned his head and made him wonder whether it might be in his best interests to return to Old Trafford.

I definitely believe that our chances have been hurt by Ferguson's retirement - but he is still about. And remember, when Ronaldo went to Madrid their manager was Pellegrini. No disrespect to the man, but I don't believe that he was a manager who Ronaldo was in awe of and particularly wished to work under. If he returns, all the fans who were at Old Trafford for the second-leg against Madrid and contributed to his great reception should definitely feel like they played a part.

I definitely believe that we're 'in for him' and 'attempting to sign him'. Firstly, Ronaldo did hint a big signing, he has said before that Ronaldo was the only player he would be willing to spend 60m on.

A number of ITK's have reported that we are attempting to get him back. This Alistair Fergusson bloke from Twitter was right about the deal with Zaha, and has said a number of times that we are trying to sign him but Real Madrid 'may offer him the world.' He is being very grounded in his statements, he's not promising anything but a willingness from United.
Gill was widely reported and supposedly spotted in Real Madrid the day after Ferguson's retirement for a meeting with Ronaldo's agent. At the time we wondered if it could be about Mourinho, but that seems unlikely now - Moyes was widely tipped before the retirement was even announced. A number of people with contacts (Ben Smith - BBC Journo, Martin Tyler - Sky Commentator) said that they had been let believe there were two parts to this story - Fergie's retirement being one, and that if the second part DID happen - then English Football would implode. Was that about Mourinho joining Chelsea? Doubtful, that had been discussed for weeks and was no secret. Was it about Moyes? Again, doubtful - like I said, he was widely tipped before the retirement was even announced - and there is nothing major about it, some felt underwhelmed if anything.
Does all this mean he is coming home? No.
Personally though, I believe it suggests strongly that we are at least trying and have genuine interest and intent to get him back. I can't see us paying the money that both Madrid/Ronaldo would want - but it's possible.

I think that the Glazers realise that now is a very important time to be successful on the pitch. This success isn't as guaranteed now Ferguson has gone - and not only is their extra competition on the pitch, but also off the pitch. Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal - with these new broadcast deals, these clubs will only get stronger, and be able to attract more fans around the world. The Glazers understand that success on the pitch is important for their business plan of getting sponsors for everything, from everywhere - and asking them for incredibly large sums.

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To conclude, I think we're in for him.
I think, he'll stay.
I believe, he's coming home.
 
Alock1 said:
My reasoning is pretty long, I mention a few things - it's all been mentioned in here before by others, but some not for pages back. All my reasoning is in the spoilers, for those who don't care or can't be arsed with long posts - don't worry, I'll still love ya.

Regarding Ronaldo's tweet/status; there's a good chance that Ronaldo is referring to the reports that his new deal will be worth an incredible 30m per annum, or whatever other ridiculous numbers are being thrown about by the papers.. but does that really mean it's not an encouraging tweet in our supposed quest to get him back? He seems unhappy about the reports, and he may feel that Perez is saying one thing to the public (will pay anything to keep Ronaldo) and another in private.

He always said he wanted to play in Spain - he's done that now. I believe that above all he wants to be considered the best player in the world, and loved by fans all over. At Madrid he's in Messi's shadow - he must be feeling like whatever he does that the Ballon D'or is out of reach. Ever since he moved there, there has been questions over the support from the fans at the Bernabea - it's pretty apparent that Ronaldo is sensitive and enjoys being loved. I think the game at Old Trafford this year could have seriously turned his head and made him wonder whether it might be in his best interests to return to Old Trafford.

I definitely believe that our chances have been hurt by Ferguson's retirement - but he is still about. And remember, when Ronaldo went to Madrid their manager was Pellegrini. No disrespect to the man, but I don't believe that he was a manager who Ronaldo was in awe of and particularly wished to work under. If he returns, all the fans who were at Old Trafford for the second-leg against Madrid and contributed to his great reception should definitely feel like they played a part.

I definitely believe that we're 'in for him' and 'attempting to sign him'. Firstly, Ronaldo did hint a big signing, he has said before that Ronaldo was the only player he would be willing to spend 60m on.

A number of ITK's have reported that we are attempting to get him back. This Alistair Fergusson bloke from Twitter was right about the deal with Zaha, and has said a number of times that we are trying to sign him but Real Madrid 'may offer him the world.' He is being very grounded in his statements, he's not promising anything but a willingness from United.
Gill was widely reported and supposedly spotted in Real Madrid the day after Ferguson's retirement for a meeting with Ronaldo's agent. At the time we wondered if it could be about Mourinho, but that seems unlikely now - Moyes was widely tipped before the retirement was even announced. A number of people with contacts (Ben Smith - BBC Journo, Martin Tyler - Sky Commentator) said that they had been let believe there were two parts to this story - Fergie's retirement being one, and that if the second part DID happen - then English Football would implode. Was that about Mourinho joining Chelsea? Doubtful, that had been discussed for weeks and was no secret. Was it about Moyes? Again, doubtful - like I said, he was widely tipped before the retirement was even announced - and there is nothing major about it, some felt underwhelmed if anything.
Does all this mean he is coming home? No.
Personally though, I believe it suggests strongly that we are at least trying and have genuine interest and intent to get him back. I can't see us paying the money that both Madrid/Ronaldo would want - but it's possible.

I think that the Glazers realise that now is a very important time to be successful on the pitch. This success isn't as guaranteed now Ferguson has gone - and not only is their extra competition on the pitch, but also off the pitch. Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal - with these new broadcast deals, these clubs will only get stronger, and be able to attract more fans around the world. The Glazers understand that success on the pitch is important for their business plan of getting sponsors for everything, from everywhere - and asking them for incredibly large sums.

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To conclude, I think we're in for him.
I think, he'll stay.
I believe, he's coming home.
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Fair enough post that mate, I will never forget that night at OT Ronnie looked genuinely moved. My gut tells me it wont happen though unless Ronnie himself makes it happen.
 
JaffyJoe said:
It is about Money. The Ballon d'or thing that is in terms of opinion Spain had come of winning the Euro's and Real had a great season no surprise Real's Spanish player where considered favourites, is that a serious reason for him to be throwing a strop? neither of them won it in the end Messi did and by a wide margin. He see's Messi a player he believes he is equal to making tons of money didn't Messi just sign a new deal for 250,00 plus per week? So now he is really trying to push the club and get more money.

Where is he going to go where they can pay consistently large fees for better players? Chelsea, City or PSG. He is not looking to leave the prestige of Real for that. To say all this is because he has had no support at Real is a lie. Everyone there is always in the papers talking about how good he is all the time. Messi is a king at Barca they have chosen to treat him like for better or worse but he is Barca through and through. Ramos and Casillas are players ahead of Ronaldo at Real like it or not. This is all about his ego and money. He wants to be the best paid player in the world at Madrid and they will cave imo.
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I'd have to disagree. Messi has had his contract renewed 4 times in the last 6 years, according to the information I just read. Ronaldo, however, is a different case. Just take a look at how many times his contract has been renewed since he signed back in 2009. As for the Ballon d'Or, Casillas' vote was weird; Ramos was first. This isn't about who deserved the aware because Messi is the best player in the world, but it's about the support his team mates are giving him. I don't know if Ronaldo sees himself equal to Messi, probably not, but it doesn't matter because Ronaldo is still allowing the club to make money off his name - just think of all the shirts he has sold and will continue to sell. He has a quality about him when it comes to the market, that not many footballers possess.

Who said he was going to leave? And who stated that it was money as a fact? I don't see Ronaldo being the type to leave for PSG, Monaco, etc. - he isn't that type of player. I also don't think it's a like - I have backed my opinion up with facts. And here's another fact - Albiol has recently hyped Ronaldo up with his comments. The recent tweet seems to suggest that Ronaldo doesn't care about the money being offered. If he did, then I genuinely believe he would have signed a new contract at the end of last December/beginning of January. He may sign a new contract, but for me it's not about money, and it isn't black and white as many seem to have suggested.
 
Relevated said:
Theres a vid of him running to the united fans, its great.
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I'm not sure if it showed it on TV but when he got the welcome before Kick Off (when they announced it on the PA), he looked shocked he definitely wasnt expecting that.
 
If we are in for him and he does a sign a new contract(which I think he will) - I wonder if we'll splash the Ronaldo cash elsewhere.
 
MoneyMay said:
I'd have to disagree. Messi has had his contract renewed 4 times in the last 6 years, according to the information I just read. Ronaldo, however, is a different case. Just take a look at how many times his contract has been renewed since he signed back in 2009. As for the Ballon d'Or, Casillas' vote was weird; Ramos was first. This isn't about who deserved the aware because Messi is the best player in the world, but it's about the support his team mates are giving him. I don't know if Ronaldo sees himself equal to Messi, probably not, but it doesn't matter because Ronaldo is still allowing the club to make money off his name - just think of all the shirts he has sold and will continue to sell. He has a quality about him when it comes to the market, that not many footballers possess.

Who said he was going to leave? And who stated that it was money as a fact? I don't see Ronaldo being the type to leave for PSG, Monaco, etc. - he isn't that type of player. I also don't think it's a like - I have backed my opinion up with facts. And here's another fact - Albiol has recently hyped Ronaldo up with his comments. The recent tweet seems to suggest that Ronaldo doesn't care about the money being offered. If he did, then I genuinely believe he would have signed a new contract at the end of last December/beginning of January. He may sign a new contract, but for me it's not about money, and it isn't black and white as many seem to have suggested.
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So what is it about? He has not renewed his contract since he signed i think i'm not sure. The two things i've highlighted are money and ego driven. Your opinions are fact but they are pretty weak excuses. Casillas chose Ramos and Messi's contract. They have offered him a new one and he is saying no. Have an issue with these things are about his ego clearly. Real are not offering him enough money for him to be happy he wants as much as Messi. It is not as complex as you are making out. It is just like any job you want to be paid what you feel you are worth and based of his performanceshe feels he deserves more and a few teams would pay him that much.

The club makes money of his name and he is paid handsomely for it i'm sure his contract includes bonuses etc. He is the highest paid player at the club but players including Messi make more. It is black and white. He wants more money and is trying to force their hand. He is worth too much to sell on the cheap. This is his 'dream club'. It all just seems like a play any person in a job would make nothing too complicated. He is remaining coy because he wants all the power it is as simple as you do you want to stay or go. If he wants to stay he signs if not then he makes them sell him he has done neither.
 
Seeing as SAF was very concerned to leave a good & varied squad for his successor, I wonder if he ensured that the successor would be left with a large amount of money for transfers too...
 
Randall Flagg said:
Did he die?
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No. But I read all this hopeful posts about him returning and a part of me starts hoping, too - but at the end of the day, my head wins and I know it's never in a million years going to happen.

I just watched his interview after the Old Trafford leg. I don't think he's usually a sentimental person (his career and his wishes come first for him, not any club) but he seemed almost a bit melancholic.
 
Not sure why I'm getting all sentimental but I've not seen this before. Ronaldo and our fans after the Madrid game:


No, I'm not saying it means he's coming back, because transfers aren't all about relationships with fans. There's clearly a mutual adoration though.
 
fecking hell, we were one fecking Nani red card away from winning that much. feck Real Madrid and the turkish referee. Did nothing happen to him in all these turkish protests, the motherfecking prick.
 
fishfingers15 said:
fecking hell, we were one fecking Nani red card away from winning that much. feck Real Madrid and the turkish referee. Did nothing happen to him in all these turkish protests, the motherfecking prick.
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Oops. This certainly wasn't the desired effect of my post! :nervous:
 
BAMSOLA said:
Within the next month he will probably sign a world record deal at Madrid as far as weekly wage goes. He won't be going elsewhere.
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He does not actually seem happy there though does he?
 
All rumours that he is coming back stem from neil custis in the sun who is about as reliable as the daily star.....I think real will still keep him even if he refuses to sign a new deal....I think psg and monaco would outbid us too in a big way so I just can't see it happening unless nike want to just gove us 100 million extra in the hope they will more than make it back with shirt sales...its just not going to happen!
 
The stories are real, they will no doubt be coming from Ronaldo's people. It is only the intention of the leaks that is in question. For me they are part of Ronaldo's bid to win an insane contract at Madrid.
 
Well, what news will I be cumming to today?
 
I'm not surprised he want's out with the unhealthy cliques and ego'sin that real dressing room. It was pretty scadalous that Ramos and casillas voted for each other for the world player of the year vote a couple of seasons back when ronnie had a genuine chance of winning it if he got enough votes....imagine van der sar and evra had voted for each other instead of for ronnie in that season that he won the the ballon d'or...that would never happen in england and shows the kind of inflated ego's you would have to deal with in that Real dressing room
 
I'm not surprised he want's out with the unhealthy cliques and ego's in that real dressing room. It was pretty scadalous that Ramos and casillas voted for each other for the world player of the year vote a couple of seasons back when ronnie had a genuine chance of winning it if he got enough votes....imagine van der sar and evra had voted for each other instead of for ronnie in that season that he won the the ballon d'or...that would never happen in england and shows the kind of inflated ego's you would have to deal with in that Real dressing room
 
Ringo 07 said:
I'm not surprised he want's out with the unhealthy cliques and ego'sin that real dressing room. It was pretty scadalous that Ramos and casillas voted for each other for the world player of the year vote a couple of seasons back when ronnie had a genuine chance of winning it if he got enough votes....imagine van der sar and evra had voted for each other instead of for ronnie in that season that he won the the ballon d'or...that would never happen in england and shows the kind of inflated ego's you would have to deal with in that Real dressing room
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Ramos never voted at the Ballon D'or and yeah, what a scandalous thought that a goalkeeper coming back from winning the Euros thought that the best defender of that tournament deserves a Ballon D'or vote. After all Casillas represents the spanish nationalteam and not Real Madrid in that vote but he shouldn't be allowed to make a choice as he sees fit in your opinion? If he thought that one of the spanish defenders deserves it, because they didn't concede a single goal in the knockout stages, then there's nothing wrong with it. I actually thought it was a great gesture because defenders usually are overlooked, even though I really don't like Ramos. As a goalkeeper with a great defensive record in the league and at international tournaments he actually might think that centerbacks are just as important as forwards. If Xavi was captain of the national team and had voted for Iniesta or Pique, no one would moan about it.
 
Yeah I saw that one live Lailani. He got that interview just right. Respectful towards both clubs but clearly affected by everything at OT. The temptation is to read to deep, which I'm trying to refrain from. Even the statement yesterday. Ill admit I have no idea what it means.
 
fergieisold said:
I'm not sure I'm upto speed with this 8th of August quote...what happened?
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It's to do with Rio Ferdinand's testimonial. Lots of reports that, if we are trying to re-sign Ronaldo, that he would feature in and be unveiled before it.

I still doubt that he will come, but the ambition we are showing is exciting. The pursuit suggests that if he doesn't sign for us we would do everything to get Bale or another high quality replacement. Ronaldo may find himself regretting it when he hits 30 without a Champions League or Ballon D'or at Madrid.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
The stories are real, they will no doubt be coming from Ronaldo's people. It is only the intention of the leaks that is in question. For me they are part of Ronaldo's bid to win an insane contract at Madrid.
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This is it exactly I think - there's too much out there now without someone orchestrating it, with Mendes and his team being the obvious suspects.

I wrote in the Rooney thread recently in reply to a post comparing Paul Stretford to Mendes, where I said I thought the choice to link Ronaldo with us so strongly rather than the teams that would pay him ludicrous money like PSG or Monaco was an inspired decision - if the story had been "Ronaldo wants to leave Madrid to join PSG for a €17 squillion a minute salary" then he'd look like just another mercenary, but using us allows them to create a much more sympathetic angle of him "missing United" and wanting to return where he's loved, etc. The end result is still putting pressure on Madrid to keep upping their contract offer, but they do it without damaging the image of their client. If I'm right there, then compare that to the beating Rooney's image took in 2010, and again with his latest nonsense, and you can see why Mendes is such an effective agent.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ronaldo takes part in Rio's testimonial - I remember there was an story in some rag last summer talking about Rio getting a testimonial (well before that was confirmed a couple of weeks ago) which linked Ronaldo with taking part, though I can't remember if it was just that Rio wanted to invite him or if there had already been talks between them.
 
NewDawnFades said:
It's to do with Rio Ferdinand's testimonial. Lots of reports that, if we are trying to re-sign Ronaldo, that he would feature in and be unveiled before it.

I still doubt that he will come, but the ambition we are showing is exciting. The pursuit suggests that if he doesn't sign for us we would do everything to get Bale or another high quality replacement. Ronaldo may find himself regretting it when he hits 30 without a Champions League or Ballon D'or at Madrid.
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I haven't seen a single thing to suggest we are trying to sign him. All I've seen is tabloid bollocks and Ronaldo saying he hasn't signed a new contract. It truely is muppet season :lol:
 
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