Cristiano Ronaldo

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Adzzz said:
"Criminally underrate"

Whut.
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Before the Rooney fanboys kinda lost their moral high ground due to Rooney's behaviour, even among United fans there were stupid idiots claiming Rooney was a better player.

And till today, you read or hear people claiming that he doesn't do much except scoring goals, that he doesn't show up when it matters, that he isn't a big game player, etc. I've seen it all. So yes, he is underrated.
 
Lailiani said:
Before the Rooney fanboys kinda lost their moral high ground due to Rooney's behaviour, even among United fans there were stupid idiots claiming Rooney was a better player.

And till today, you read or hear people claiming that he doesn't do much except scoring goals, that he doesn't show up when it matters, that he isn't a big game player, etc. I've seen it all. So yes, he is underrated.
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I still can't get over Jeff Stelling rating Bale over Ronaldo.
 
I'm not saying Ronaldo isn't doing all this for more money, but I don't think it's as black and white that some are making it out to be. He hasn't really had a fantastic season - not in terms of statistics, they are glorious as usual - but he's had arguments with the manager and with some of the players. There's been a split in the Madrid squad, and since the numbers of egos there is high, it may not be easy to get everything completely back to normal despite Mourinho leaving.

I think if he does genuinely want to leave, then we stand a fantastic chance. He has a lot of friends here still, loved by the fans enormously and it was at United when he was the ballon d'or.

I don't think he's thick headed to drop out of competitive leagues and join PSG or someone.

Roll on the next month. Hopefully by then, we'll have a clearer idea of what is going on.
 
Matter of time before he signs the biggest contract in history. With Real Madrid. Think about it, they lose Ronaldo and they fall miles behind Barcelona again. Won't happen lads.
 
Or... they sell Ronaldo and sign Bale.. Treble in the bag for Madrid.
 
Please excuse me, Im off to f.a.p like a crazy ass motherfecker.
 
iSparky said:
Please excuse me, Im off to f.a.p like a crazy ass motherfecker.
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Well done on the scouting thing, sparks. :) Didn't get much chance to say congrats during the Quacky photo scandal yesterday, mate. :D
 
Lailiani said:
Before the Rooney fanboys kinda lost their moral high ground due to Rooney's behaviour, even among United fans there were stupid idiots claiming Rooney was a better player.

And till today, you read or hear people claiming that he doesn't do much except scoring goals, that he doesn't show up when it matters, that he isn't a big game player, etc. I've seen it all. So yes, he is underrated.
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What's Rooney got to do with what you initially said? "Ronaldo is criminally underrated in favour of Messi". Clearly he's not.

Your criteria for him being underrated is flawed as well. Is Messi underrated because people say stupid shit about him too? Neither are underrated. People just say dumb things.
 
evra said:
If Sir Alex was still the manager I could see this happening. Not to say I think poorly of Moyes, rather I could understand Ronaldo coming home to a manager he trusts implicitly.
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He is where he always wanted to be. It's the club people in his country consider to be the biggest, it's a sunny city, a sunny country, geographically and culturally close to Portugal. It's a circus of a club, but Ronaldo isn't exactly a shy introvert. IMO he'd stay at Madrid anyway, SAF or not. He's just making it uncomfortable for Perez so that they give him a better contract. He's not going to leave, not without winning a CL with them.
 
Obviously Real wouldn't want to lose Ronaldo, but they really can't be caving into his demands. For a team that bases itself on the idea of having the best players in the world playing for them, they wouldn't want to set a precedence on player wages and image rights, even for somebody like Ronaldo. 5+ years from now, Real Madrid will probably want the player who is similar to what Ronaldo is now, and they won't want to have to pay him 30 million a year and give them more of their image rights just to sign them because any agent worth their salt will point to any deal Ronaldo would have and demand the same.

We know first hand that Ronaldo isn't irreplaceble and they could sign both Bale and Suarez and pay the same in wages for both of them than the cost of one Ronaldo. Hopefully Real stick to their guns and don't cave into his demands, even if it makes him sad and want to go to a place where he is loved.
 
pocco said:
I struggle to believe we'd give them the 65 mill that is being reported.
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I don't. the rewards of the new tv deal, the new sponsorship and the new shirt deal means that 65 million hell even a 150 million to guarantee 3 years success is worth it.
 
pocco said:
I struggle to believe we'd give them the 65 mill that is being reported.
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Transfer fee won't be so much of an issue if we really want him. It's the wages. He command the biggest contract ever offered in the PL and I doubt we would break the wage structure for him. Especially due to the ripple effect of other players within the team then wanting more.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Transfer fee won't be so much of an issue if we really want him. It's the wages. He command the biggest contract ever offered in the PL and I doubt we would break the wage structure for him. Especially due to the ripple effect of other players within the team then wanting more.
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We already broke our wage structure for someone who isn't anywhere as good as Ronaldo.
 
Gambit said:
I don't. the rewards of the new tv deal, the new sponsorship and the new shirt deal means that 65 million hell even a 150 million to guarantee 3 years success is worth it.
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In business there are no guarantees though. Ronaldo didn't guarantee Real success. To pay 65 million quid for him now would be a bit strange. Four years ago we let him leave for 80 million, those were his peak years. What a deal it would be for Madrid if they could recoup 65 mill now and reinvest it. 15 mill to have peak Ronaldo for 4 years, that's absurd.
 
Even though I still don't think this will happen, the one thing that does give me hope and makes me think he genuinely wants out of Madrid is the way he kicked off earlier in the season.

Didn't he say something like "I'm unhappy here and everyone will find out why eventually"?
 
pocco said:
In business there are no guarantees though. Ronaldo didn't guarantee Real success. To pay 65 million quid for him now would be a bit strange. Four years ago we let him leave for 80 million, those were his peak years. What a deal it would be for Madrid if they could recoup 65 mill now and reinvest it. 15 mill to have peak Ronaldo for 4 years, that's absurd.
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does it matter, what he'd be worth to us in terms of goals and marketing more than make up for it. We'll still get him for a couple of his peek years before I'd expect any major down turn in performance.
 
Gambit said:
does it matter, what he'd be worth to us in terms of goals and marketing more than make up for it. We'll still get him for a couple of his peek years before I'd expect any major down turn in performance.
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More than anything it probably means we undervalued him the first time round at 80 mill. I'm not denying that he would give us a good few years of top quality performances, just the money side would leave a sour taste. To buy him for 12 mill and sell him for 80 mill was much heralded by our support at the time. It wouldn't look such great business if we throw another 65 mill at it.
 
The neverending saga about "on" and even more "offs" continues... The hints are there, left by the agents, media, players and other sources.

Ronaldo is in a very comfortable position, right now but he still is Real Madrid tied as that club doesn't need big money at all.
 
Carrick to Thiago, who plays it up to Kagawa, who spreads it wide to Ronaldo, Ronaldo now plays it over to Rooney, Rooney to v.Persie... GOAAALLLL!!!

Sign Ronaldo, Sign Thiago, Keep Rooney for football reasons. Win fecking everything.
 
Well if he decides to leave and we're his only choice then I don't us paying 65m.
 
Impressively the reaction on here is rather controlled. Temptation got the better of me and I looked at the comments under a few of the Ronaldo articles and its absolute bedlam out there!

So many fans convinced he's coming home, the others begging him to. People are also convinced this is what Gill went to Madrid to sort out last month (did he go to Madrid last month btw?).

As much as I want it to happen I can't see it. So many fans are going to be disappointed.
 
Woodzy said:
Even though I still don't think this will happen, the one thing that does give me hope and makes me think he genuinely wants out of Madrid is the way he kicked off earlier in the season.

Didn't he say something like "I'm unhappy here and everyone will find out why eventually"?
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But just last month did he not say to the Madrid crowd "I'm staying here"?
 
LR7 said:
But just last month did he not say to the Madrid crowd "I'm staying here"?
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No, he said "feck you!" but something may have been lost in the translation.
 
Dave Goddard on Twitter was one of the first last summer to say RVP would come wrote ón Twitter: @DaveGoddard1971: Lot of people asking about Ronaldo to MUFC. All I can say is, people who would know, think it highly possible.
 
pocco said:
More than anything it probably means we undervalued him the first time round at 80 mill. I'm not denying that he would give us a good few years of top quality performances, just the money side would leave a sour taste. To buy him for 12 mill and sell him for 80 mill was much heralded by our support at the time. It wouldn't look such great business if we throw another 65 mill at it.
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We've sold him off though. (If) Anything happens now, it should be regarded as a completely fresh transfer. And if we wanted Ronaldo, we'd have to pay up big money, regardless of how much he was bought for by the selling club.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I'm not saying Ronaldo isn't doing all this for more money, but I don't think it's as black and white that some are making it out to be. He hasn't really had a fantastic season - not in terms of statistics, they are glorious as usual - but he's had arguments with the manager and with some of the players. There's been a split in the Madrid squad, and since the numbers of egos there is high, it may not be easy to get everything completely back to normal despite Mourinho leaving.

I think if he does genuinely want to leave, then we stand a fantastic chance. He has a lot of friends here still, loved by the fans enormously and it was at United when he was the ballon d'or.

I don't think he's thick headed to drop out of competitive leagues and join PSG or someone.

Roll on the next month. Hopefully by then, we'll have a clearer idea of what is going on.
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I agree with most of your post. I'd like to address the part I disagree with. Ronaldo did have a fantastic season, he was Real Madrid's best player by far, and was the reason they reached the semi-finals of the Champions League. He was only second to Messi in the league. The only case you can make against him is that he didn't have as good a season as the previous one (11/12), but I'd argue that his team mates let him down big time. For instance, Ozil didn't produce enough in the big games, while Benzema went missing for most of the season.

Onto the part I agree with, which is the first sentence. This really isn't about money, and the reason I say that is because this has been going on for months. It's an internal problem and I believe that it has to do with the way he is supported. At Manchester United, we loved him more than any other fans could ever imagine, everything went his way, and our club benefited, as did Ronaldo. At Real Madrid, despite scoring many goals and having a fair amount of assists, he hasn't received the right support from the fans and players. Look at the Ballon d'Or votes that Ramos and Casillas made. On top of that, Real Madrid have executed a very poor job in allowing Ronaldo to think what his worth is. At Barcelona, Messi's contract has been renewed a few times (once every year, or something like that, since 08/09) - why has this been done? It's, for a start, so they can tie him down, but more importantly, it's so that Messi knows how integral his work and position at Barcelona is. At Real Madrid, I don't even think Ronaldo has had his contract renewed once. If this was about money, he would have signed a contract long ago.
 
Relevated said:
but what if he genuinely wants a move, it shouldnt be surprising at all. If he left us when we were on top of the world, as was he, then wouldnt he want a move away from that circus?
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That's different. If he wants a move, we should do all we can to sign him if he gives us any encouragement
 
I saw Rio on the wum on facebook sharing his 'I have said no to Madrid' (or something like that) status.
 
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