I'd rather see DDG saving Ronaldo shots in our goal than Real's next year, please.
Cristiano Ronaldo | Transfer Speculation
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So feck me. To get a player (32 years old) who doesn't want to stay we will need pay x2 the world record fee and the best keeper in the world.. Uhh let me think... NO
We need to build for the future and still are, but no harm in supplementing that with a 'now' player (much like Zlatan last year) who would instantly make us title favourites. And you really think Ronaldo will be done at 34? Of course there is a risk he will fall off a cliff performance wise but all the evidence until now suggests he has a lot more in the tank, especially if he's used correctly and given the rotation he needs throughout the season.
There's no way we're paying £175m plus De Gea. Just stupid paper talk. De Gea is probably worth £80-90m himself.
If you want to be condescending you need to make sure you are right first. His goals to playing time ratio has been getting worse just as his total goals scored has been getting worse.
Goals per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.40
15/16: 0.99
16/17: 0.89
His other contributions have also dropped off significantly.
Assists per 90 minutes:
14/15: 0.47
15/16: 0.31
16/17: 0.21
Chances created per 90 minutes:
14/15: 2.12
15/16: 1.41
16/17: 0.89
Successful dribbles per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.57
15/16: 1.44
16/17: 0.89
Headers won per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.72
15/16: 1.56
16/17: 1.17
etc, etc.
Clear decline. Hopefully this clears up the myth that he is still in his peak and will be so for the next X years. He is not and he will continue to decline to the point of retirement like almost every player who ever played into their 30s. It's just the reality of ageing and will be so until advanced genetic therapy completely destroys our current physical limitations. Which is another, considerably more interesting, thread than this one
One thing is certain in all of this. DDG will be the more valuable player in 2019 if not 2018.
No, he skipped to post match conference because he was 'undergoing treatment'. Obviously avoiding the media. While I see your point that he could just come out and say that he wants to leave if that's the case, it's probably understandable if he waits until his future with Madrid is decided. I agree with you, I think he'll stay in Madrid, but you could also ask why he doesn't just come out and denies the reports of him leaving if there is nothing to the story.
And if there is anything to this story, I don't think you can really compare it to the situation in 2009.
He did when he was at United but he also changed his mind and was talked into another year. I don't think it's in his best interests to say anything. United would have to firstly access if it were even possible. But if he came out then what? What if we couldn't but PSG could? Would he want to go PSG? Maybe not and so then perhaps it's a mistake. That said all this could already be decided. While it could be complete BS....I don't think this could be all on a whim. I think if it happened, then there's been a lot of talking and agreements behind the scenes and we're just watching something play out. I don't believe this sort of a deal just comes about. I think there are a lot of invested interests. Madrid might feel it's time, especially with transfer fees soaring. I would like to think it were possible and I wouldn't read into him saying nothing. I don't think it's in his interests to do so just yet. Again he did at United and it didn't happen. In fact when he returned we supported him. It's questionable how the fans would be with him if they believed he was serious.
Btw, he could have easily just used the line: my thoughts are with the national team at this time quite easily. It's possible he wasn't lying lol.
There is no inbetween here for me. He just signed a new contract and now wonder he costs a fortune. Let him stay there (he decided to join them and sign new contracts) or have someone else pay such a crazy fee.
Hope we don't spend the whole summer chasing an elusive galactico while turning a blind eye to the other positions that need strengthening. Get the easier transfers secured first.
With regards to the "booing" aspect. I wonder whether he feels that Madrid is not a place where a player can decline gracefully and that he feels United would be a better club for him to play into his later years. He was here when Giggs and Scholes were in their mid-30s and he saw the respect they commanded from both the club and fans alike and he might feel like United is the best club for him to continue playing at the highest level in the twilight of his career.
He will not leave Madrid, it's obvious he wants his taxes situation to be managed by the club no more no less. We better sign Morata and our remaining targets and be realistic.
Anyone who thinks CR has any desire to return to United is only setting themselves up for heartache. This is only about getting what he wants from Real.
Remember everyone thought this window was gonna be one with very little drama..........That didn't last long
Dream scenario is Real letting him go for a free (as a sort of thank you).
Yeah right.
Yeah right.
I think you're saying the same things I've said in different words. Let me rephrase it differently.
If there's a chance of getting Ronaldo back then we should take it. However, the fee need to be realistic enough to allow us to continue our rebuilding plan. In few words Rebuilding plan > Cristiano Ronaldo.
If you want to be condescending you need to make sure you are right first. His goals to playing time ratio has been getting worse just as his total goals scored has been getting worse.
Goals per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.40
15/16: 0.99
16/17: 0.89
His other contributions have also dropped off significantly.
Assists per 90 minutes:
14/15: 0.47
15/16: 0.31
16/17: 0.21
Chances created per 90 minutes:
14/15: 2.12
15/16: 1.41
16/17: 0.89
Successful dribbles per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.57
15/16: 1.44
16/17: 0.89
Headers won per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.72
15/16: 1.56
16/17: 1.17
etc, etc.
Clear decline. Hopefully this clears up the myth that he is still in his peak and will be so for the next X years. He is not and he will continue to decline to the point of retirement like almost every player who ever played into their 30s. It's just the reality of ageing and will be so until advanced genetic therapy completely destroys our current physical limitations. Which is another, considerably more interesting, thread than this one
I get what you are trying to say, but last season is not the ideal season to compare. He wasn't fully fit throughout and had a really slow unsual first half of the season if I remember correctly.
Besides, this was the first full season Madrid moved to a 4-3-3 on a consistent basis. A 4-2-3-1 obviously would get you more goals but less stability. (Last season 4-3-3 was limited to just the second half after Rafa was fired).
This was also the first full season where his involvement in the wings was much lesser and he player much more like a forward in a 4-3-1-2. That would take a toll on quite a few stats. Bale being injured for long and Isco having a successfull season meant they didn't have too much of play from wings apart from their brilliant fullbacks.
I am fairly confident his stats would improve again next season if he stays fit and starts the season as he ended it. If you would have his stats for the last 2 months of the season, they would be tremendous. He won them games so clinically that Barca didn't have a sniff at the La Liga despite being so close. I don't even need to mention his UCL knockouts form.
Stats can be very deceiving. I wouldn't attribute those stats to a 'clear decline'.
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If you want to be condescending you need to make sure you are right first. His goals to playing time ratio has been getting worse just as his total goals scored has been getting worse.
Goals per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.40
15/16: 0.99
16/17: 0.89
His other contributions have also dropped off significantly.
Assists per 90 minutes:
14/15: 0.47
15/16: 0.31
16/17: 0.21
Chances created per 90 minutes:
14/15: 2.12
15/16: 1.41
16/17: 0.89
Successful dribbles per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.57
15/16: 1.44
16/17: 0.89
Headers won per 90 minutes:
14/15: 1.72
15/16: 1.56
16/17: 1.17
etc, etc.
Clear decline. Hopefully this clears up the myth that he is still in his peak and will be so for the next X years. He is not and he will continue to decline to the point of retirement like almost every player who ever played into their 30s. It's just the reality of ageing and will be so until advanced genetic therapy completely destroys our current physical limitations. Which is another, considerably more interesting, thread than this one
Totally agree he's on the decline, and the money quoted for him is just stupid.
But some of those stats, like assists, would probably have been affected by his positional change too?
Still one of the worlds best, would def want him, but not for a fraction of £175m plus De Gea. Add Morata to that deal, and yes!
Ibrahimovic scored 28 goals for us in two thirds of a season last year...and he's 35 and not as good as Ronaldo.
So let me get this straight. Real Madrid minus Ronaldo is better than Messi's Barcelona and beat Bayern Munich convincingly? He is the reason they have the ability to look that extra bit more impressive. Without him they are 2nd in la liga and UCL semi finalist at best.
Very good point this.
Never going to happen.
This is the Ramos situation all over again.
I wouldn't even waste my time.
Let's stick to Morata or we might end up with neither facing deadline day ala 2013!
This is the Ramos situation all over again.
I wouldn't even waste my time.
Let's stick to Morata or we might end up with neither facing deadline day ala 2013!
Oh my
I'm trying desperately to not get drawn into this and I'm failing miserably. Please come home Ronny
He's going to behave how he did in 2008 at the Euros. He never said too much there but kept dropping hints and kept the stories alive (which he could have easily killed) and then ended up staying with a new deal.
Ibra was better than Ronaldo for the majority of last season.
Form fluctuates. Do you think Ibrahimovic is better than Ronaldo?
I'm doing everything I can not to be drawn into this saga, I don't want to be utterly disappointed as I always end up being.
Something feels different about this though...
COME BACK RONNIE!
Something feels different about this though...
COME BACK RONNIE!
A positional change can cause less of a contribution in some areas but it should also lead to more in others. Switching from a winger to a striker will see you create and assist less but you should score more etc. Ronaldo is just getting consistently worse in all important categories over recent seasons which you always see with age related decline.
For Ronaldo to be an appealing transfer for me the cost would have to be minimal. De Gea certainly shouldn't be part of any deal. Speculating about that stuff is a waste of time though imo. I'm pretty sure he will stay at Madrid and even if he does leave I have a really hard time seeing him returning to England.
No he fecking wasn't.
Seriously, Ibra was dog shit for periods of last season. Missing chance after chance. Ronaldo would have scored 40 at least with us last season.
What's the point of those stats? It's clear that he played a different role this season, strategically distributing his energy throughout the season (Zidane should get lots of credit for it), so that he would be able to go into übermensch mode at the latter stages of the season. He was never as decisive against the top opposition as he was this season.
2 hat-tricks against Atletico and a brace against Juventus in the CL final - those are the two best defensive units of the last 5 or 6 seasons. Plus don't forget 5 goals against Bayern. Any other stats are irrelevant.
Pre Ibra injury, I'd say Ibra shaded it.
I don't think people appreciate just how below par Ronaldo was for the majority of last season.
My point is that he is the pinnacle of a brilliant team. But he himself does not win Cups. So the point is that if our team is not playing well enough, no player, not even Ronaldo, can guarantee us trophies
Wha?
What ya mean we have not bought him yet. Sure who wouldn't buy him for only 300M and 600Kpw.
+DDG
+Jones
+Smalling
+Fellaini
Jeas, get this done before the dippers offer 350M
What ya mean we have not bought him yet. Sure who wouldn't buy him for only 300M and 600Kpw.
+DDG
+Jones
+Smalling
+Fellaini
Jeas, get this done before the dippers offer 350M
Exactly. Not to mention Ronaldo always drifted in and out of games only to pop up with a crucial goal somewhere along the line. He's fecking deadly and will continue to be for a few years yet.
niceNo, I asked whether you think Ibra is better than Ronaldo - not whether he happened to be better than him for a portion of last season.
Below form? How many goals? Did he manage to score at all in the CL? How many assists?
Ibra was getting himself into positions to get more chances in a weaker team and a tougher league.
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