Cristiano Ronaldo | Summer 2015

Do you want Ronaldo to return to United?

  • Yes

    Votes: 729 64.2%
  • No

    Votes: 406 35.8%

  • Total voters
    1,135
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Imagine the scenes....

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He even looked much better when he was with us than he does now. Nowadays his face looks more "made-up" than any female supermodel's he is standing next to.

Anyway I wouldn't be devastated if he comes and I'd very much prefer him to Bale anyway, but ideally I would want us to build a team for the future with no Ronaldo in it.
 
The first time I'd say no to a return. I like what we're doing now at United. We're more than capable of building an excellent team under Van Gaal without Ronaldo, who is now older, higher maintenance and would cost an unbelievable amount of money in both transfer fee and weekly wages.

I'd sooner see us press ahead with sensible, realistic, necessary signings that will fit seamlessly into the group, respond to the manager's tactics and help create a solid spirit throughout the squad. With Cristiano, I'm no longer sure that he's best placed to help us do that.
 
Would rather go for Bale.

But boy, it would be great seeing him in a Man Utd shirt at Old Trafford again. The atmosphere he would get would be immense.
 
Don't think its a good idea generally to ever go back.
He represents the past - we should be building for the future.......
Added to that there will be the inevitable Ronaldo-circus that goes with him, everything will be about him. No thanks, not for me.
 
Don't think its a good idea generally to ever go back.
He represents the past - we should be building for the future.......
Added to that there will be the inevitable Ronaldo-circus that goes with him, everything will be about him. No thanks, not for me.

I'm with you, up until I remember this guy is the second best player on the planet and one of the best ever to boot. Not just any old player.
 
Would love it to happen but at a reasonable price that reflects his age.

The little kid says yes but the adult in me says he is after another pay day. Wonder when Wazza will be linked to City again?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ose-racy-Mario-Testino-shoot-Vogue-Spain.html

Anyway, was just a side comment but he does look rather unnatural these days.

I apologise if my comment made you think I wanted to see the photos.

I just find it weird that in a thread about his potential transfer (which isn't gonna happen) you were talking about his looks.

most likely. I cant see Madrid selling someone who is scoring 50+ a season, theyd be mad!

Aye, if he's making noises he's probably after another pay bump. They're annual, right?
 
Ronaldo and RM - these 2 just fit perfectly. I cannot see them selling him as long as they have not found a real successor with the "glamour" factor AND the quality on the pitch.
 
FWIW the shirt sales/ marketing bit is definitely not a myth. United's merchandise department hasn't been maxed out yet, and hasn't plateaued either. We might sell millions of shirts worldwide on an annual basis, but given Ronaldo's stature as a bonafide sporting icon (like a Jordan or LeBron) - the acquisition will push those numbers even further as an increasing number of United supporters buy replica jerseys, or his hundreds of thousand strong entourage of fans/ fangirls add the latest United kits to their collection. That's even aside from the fact that Woody could stand to lure more sponsors in because of Ronaldo's association with United. Individual brand image carries a lot of weight in football these days and Ronaldo is as big as they come.

As an example, PSG's shirt sales eclipsed Olympique de Marseille following Beckham's loan deal :



http://www.cnbc.com/id/100981279

Another example, Real Madrid was one of the biggest brands in world football is the early 2000s with the presence of Zidane, Figo, Raul, Ronaldo and co. But the signing of Beckham sent the merchandise figures into overdrive :



http://www.economist.com/node/2502730

Yes, the presence of Ronaldo might detract from our other marketable players (Rooney, Di Maria etc), but that will be offset by a substantial increase in overall volume. As for the wages argument, we could cover it by moving Falcao and Van Persie on. Ronaldo alone can compensate for the loss of the two of them from a performance perspective.

It is not a myth, but it is close to it. United/Madrid sell both 1.4m shirts each year (for the last few years), and are in the first position of 'how many shirts club sell Cup'. If we sign Ronaldo, I doubt that we will sell far more shirts than the other years. Probably 100k more, or at a push 200k more. What wil happen instead is that the likes of Di Maria, De Gea, Rooney, RVP will sell less shirts (yay, all of them were in top 10, together with Falcao, with Di Maria in first and De Gea in fourth spot in EPL). Usually, the same people buy shirts and buy only one. If I want to get a new shirt (right now, it would be of Herrera), then I won't get both it and Ronaldo's. Instead I would choose only Ronaldo's.

Of course, Ronaldo is a big name and will make some people who didn't plan to buy a shirt, to buy one. But it will be a small number. United with all its 300m+ fans still sell only 1.4m shirts (less than 0.5% of fanbase). Ronaldo, or not, it won't suddenly jump to millions.

So, for the sake of argument, lets say that we sell 200k extra shirts (United 1.6m/Ronaldo 1m). For 60 pounds, that will be 12m pounds. Remove the costs of producing and selling them, tax the profit, and then Adidas will get its share. In the end, the profit would be quite insignificant by United's standard (probably a couple of millions or so).

The myth came mostly from Florentino Perez, who is quite good at doing this PR work. Basically for every Madrid's signing, he says that the transfer was payed by the same of shirts. The last one was Rodriguez whose transfer was payed within 48 hours or so. How Perez does calculations, is just the revenue from the selling of Rodriguez shirts, which as I explained above is quite bullshit. Yet some of the ignorant Madrid fans believe it. It was quite funny that apparently both Ronaldo's and Kaka's transfer were payed from the shirts sale, but as @Rado_N said, the entire commercial income for Madrid that year increased only slightly (IIRC it was only 2-4%) which is expected to happen anyway (and bear in mind, that summer they signed also Benzema and Alonso who were big names too).

While Ronaldo's transfer quite likely will have a goo effect for United, both on the pitch and out of it (making young people all over the world watch United, and those people in a decade will grown up and contribute to Uniteds revenue by buying products/going to OT/buying TV subscriptions etc). But the immediate commercial effect will be almost non-existent.
 
If there is any tiny chance of Madrid selling him this summer, throw everything AND the kitchen sink to get him!
 
We'd recoup his transfer fee from Cal's purchase of Ronaldo merchandise alone.
 
He will leave just before he's Real Madrid's all time top scorer. Yep, that's going to happen. Definately.
 
It's too late in my opinion. At his age, the price is too high even for the second-best player in the world. Not saying I would be angry if he came but I think we should look elsewhere.

Has there been any developments since the OP?
 
I'd want him this season. He's yet to beat the Real Madrid club record for goals scored. If he leaves now I'd take it as a sign that his personal accomplishments don't matter anymore. If he stays another year, breaks the record and then leaves he might as well just phone it in.

Unless he joins us to try and break the Man. United goal scoring record rather than the Real Madrid one and in the end he falls short of Rooney and finishes his career as the 2nd highest goalscorer for Real and United. That would sum him up perfectly. Hard worker, magnificent goalscorer but ultimately always 2nd best.
 
He will leave just before he's Real Madrid's all time top scorer. Yep, that's going to happen. Definately.

Indeed.

For all the threads that get locked on here, for all the times the word 'embarrassing' is used...

...the annual Ronaldo ritual is the myth that just keeps on giving.

If I was a mod this bad-boy would be triple locked with the key thrown away.
 
Do you think these little gifs ever make their way to the peopl at OT. I'd like to think woodward has a good chuckle over stuff like this!
 
Doubt he will leave Real. He is in his enviroment in Spain and in that club. He will probably just leave for the MLS since he wants to move to the US in the future.
 
He's not coming back, he wanted to leave 3 years out of 6 that he was here, he's not going to leave Madrid, nor will Madrid sell him.
Also giving madrid 100mill for him at 30-31? when we recieved 80mill when he was 23-24 and got all his best years would be epic dumb.
 
He will leave just before he's Real Madrid's all time top scorer. Yep, that's going to happen. Definately.
how many more goals does he need?
 
It is not a myth, but it is close to it. United/Madrid sell both 1.4m shirts each year (for the last few years), and are in the first position of 'how many shirts club sell Cup'. If we sign Ronaldo, I doubt that we will sell far more shirts than the other years. Probably 100k more, or at a push 200k more. What wil happen instead is that the likes of Di Maria, De Gea, Rooney, RVP will sell less shirts (yay, all of them were in top 10, together with Falcao, with Di Maria in first and De Gea in fourth spot in EPL). Usually, the same people buy shirts and buy only one. If I want to get a new shirt (right now, it would be of Herrera), then I won't get both it and Ronaldo's. Instead I would choose only Ronaldo's.

Of course, Ronaldo is a big name and will make some people who didn't plan to buy a shirt, to buy one. But it will be a small number. United with all its 300m+ fans still sell only 1.4m shirts (less than 0.5% of fanbase). Ronaldo, or not, it won't suddenly jump to millions.

So, for the sake of argument, lets say that we sell 200k extra shirts (United 1.6m/Ronaldo 1m). For 60 pounds, that will be 12m pounds. Remove the costs of producing and selling them, tax the profit, and then Adidas will get its share. In the end, the profit would be quite insignificant by United's standard (probably a couple of millions or so).

The myth came mostly from Florentino Perez, who is quite good at doing this PR work. Basically for every Madrid's signing, he says that the transfer was payed by the same of shirts. The last one was Rodriguez whose transfer was payed within 48 hours or so. How Perez does calculations, is just the revenue from the selling of Rodriguez shirts, which as I explained above is quite bullshit. Yet some of the ignorant Madrid fans believe it. It was quite funny that apparently both Ronaldo's and Kaka's transfer were payed from the shirts sale, but as @Rado_N said, the entire commercial income for Madrid that year increased only slightly (IIRC it was only 2-4%) which is expected to happen anyway (and bear in mind, that summer they signed also Benzema and Alonso who were big names too).

While Ronaldo's transfer quite likely will have a goo effect for United, both on the pitch and out of it (making young people all over the world watch United, and those people in a decade will grown up and contribute to Uniteds revenue by buying products/going to OT/buying TV subscriptions etc). But the immediate commercial effect will be almost non-existent.

Disagree there mate.

1.4 million shirts sold per year is (was) not the upper limit for United's merchandising potential. That figure is from a 2012 Rohlmann report in Bild and IMO our numbers had stagnated in recent years (2009-2012) because despite consistent success under Fergie, we didn't have a David Beckham/ Cristiano Ronaldo type of uber marketable player. People were buying Rooney shirts, but sooner or later there's bound to be a fatigue related stagnation in numbers, especially when a lot of our acquisitions in that period weren't 'glamorous' or desirable enough.

However, with the signing of Robin Van Persie (who displaced Rooney as the #1 shirt seller) and Shinji Kagawa, our numbers jumped from 1.4 million in 2012 to ~2 million in 2014, despite a historically bad season under Moyes (official numbers as in the club 2014 prospectus - Ref. pg 21).

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/13/133303/140729_roadshow_lr.pdf

This jump of 0.6 million in 2 years is the kind of instant impact new marquee players can make - Van Persie as one of the best strikers in Europe, and Kagawa as a cultural/ sporting icon in Japan. In just 1 year of the two transfers, United went from having 1 player in the Top 5 Premier League jersey sales (Rooney) to 3 in the Top 3 (Van Persie, Rooney, Kagawa).


Ronaldo's worldwide stature outstrips that of Van Persie and Kagawa combined (1 million+ official replicas sold per season by just 1 player for Madrid). Not just shirt sales for supporters of the club, but in terms of boosting the sales of licensed apparel-ware which his 'personal followers' will be more than ready to consume. Plus, there's the underrated factor of associated revenue with players like him. Prospective sponsors will be more than ready to pay extra for brand association with United and putting his (conventionally attractive) mug on their products (eg. Fernando Torres who brought in associated revenue as a 'pretty boy type' and even topped Rooney in Premier League jersey sales).

This is what happened with Madrid in the 2002/ 2003 period when they signed Beckham. In one season, Real Madrid leapfrogged both AC Milan and Juventus to become the 2nd placed club behind United in terms of total revenue. The next year, they snatched the #1 revenue position from United and have been in that position ever since. The immediate commercial benefits of signing a megastar aren't non-existent as Madrid displayed with the Galaticos I policy (their total revenue doubled from 2000 to 2004, and commercial revenue grew 130 % in a period of 3 seasons).

The signing of superstar players can have a major impact on the club's fortunes, not just off the field but on it too (from a purely non-sporting, strictly revenue based perspective) as the departure of someone like Suarez might highlight to a degree. Now, there's a lot more to it than just one player since it's a team sport afterall, but with the solitary signing of Ronaldo, United have a bigger chance in terms of winning (or finishing higher) on the league table (outside of the common domestic pool, each position is worth £1.2 million more than the one preceding it). eg. With/ without Suarez made a difference of ~£4 million. His goals will give us a better chance of winning matches in the European Cup (where because of the 40 % increase in total prize money, each group-stage win is worth €1.5 million while a draw is worth €0.5 million, a round of 16 win is worth €5.5 million and so forth). Even winning a couple of extra group matches here or there, let alone knockout stage matches can improve our total prize money by millions.

If we consider all of those things, and much much more that I forgot to include - the transfer makes so much sense on all levels. Even leaving revenue/ prize money aside - the prospect of having the 2nd best player in the world (and one of the Top 10-12 footballers of all time) would bring so much confidence to the player and supporters - and strike fear into the heart of the rivals.
 
We'd recoup his transfer fee from Cal's purchase of Ronaldo merchandise alone.

If I had that much money, I'd have bought United before the Glazers did and tried to break the collective TV deal.
 
Can't decide whether having Ronaldo would be a positive for Memphis - training on a daily basis with a similar style of player who is widely regarded as one of the best and hardest trainers of all time, or a negative - in that he would take possible playing time, attention, focus, ball etc. off a young player who looks to have the potential to be a real superstar.

If you could get Ronaldo playing as a team player with Depay on the left and 2 from Rooney, Mata and Di Maria sharing the centre and right positions behind the striker we could have an unstoppable side. Him signing would be a huge test of Van Gaals man management. I'm still not sure what I think.
 
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