Cristiano Ronaldo | Summer 2015

Do you want Ronaldo to return to United?

  • Yes

    Votes: 729 64.2%
  • No

    Votes: 406 35.8%

  • Total voters
    1,135
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Yes, I gather that this is the case for the vocal minority who don't want him back. Its not about football, but more of a nagging annoyance of the circus and his muppet faboys, not so much the player himself.

As a member of that vocal minority, I can assure you that you're wrong in what you say there.

Fanboys and circus aside, his behaviour as a footballer is frequently incredibly annoying. Whether that be standing around in a sulk, with his hands on his hips, getting irritated when a teammate steals his glory or celebrating a meaningless penalty like he's single-handedly won the WC, he can be an exquisitely irritating presence on the pitch.

By all accounts, he's a lovely bloke off the pitch but it's really not hard to see why he divides opinions when he's on it. He's the anti-Messi in many ways (oh yes, I went there) who is allegedly an occasional diva when he's not playing matches but plays football exactly the way it's supposed to be played and never gets criticised for the way he acts when he's in a match (other than by the most rabid of CR7 fanboys)
 
As a member of that vocal minority, I can assure you that you're wrong in what you say there.

Fanboys and circus aside, his behaviour as a footballer is frequently incredibly annoying. Whether that be standing around in a sulk, with his hands on his hips, getting irritated when a teammate steals his glory or celebrating a meaningless penalty like he's single-handedly won the WC, he can be an exquisitely irritating presence on the pitch.

By all accounts, he's a lovely bloke off the pitch but it's really not hard to see why he divides opinions when he's on it. He's the anti-Messi in many ways (oh yes, I went there) who is allegedly an occasional diva when he's not playing matches but plays football exactly the way it's supposed to be played and never gets criticised for the way he acts when he's in a match (other than by the most rabid of CR7 fanboys)

I don't disagree with any of this. Its the one thing that LvG and the club would need to factor in if they were interested in his return. The big difference between then and now is he is more or less bigger than his manager, as in, if Ronnie went to Perez and told him he couldn't work with Pellegrini/Mourinho/Ancelotti, its the manager who would likely find himself unemployed. That obviously wouldn't fly with LvG and Ronaldo would obviously need to reintegrate into a more Fergie-esque team mentality if he returned.
 
You really need me to join the dots for you? Fecking hell. Google their dates of birth and do the math.

Obviously, every player is different but there's lots of talk about Ronaldo being not quite as effective as before from people who watch a lot of Spanish football (I don't) so its definitely conceivable his best days are behind him. He's so dependent on physical attributes that he's the type of player who might struggle to reinvent his game if/when he loses a yard of pace. I actually though Van Persie would cope better than most.

As @Invictus notes there has been no decline in his "productivity" (in fact one of his best seasons ever for his league numbers anyway), where the issue lies is that he's become somewhat one-dimensional and is rather reliant on an array of creative playmakers providing him with chances, he still excells at finishing them, but it's harder to pin-point exactly how effective he'd be in a system that's less tailored to his needs and more team-oriented like LVG wants it. Don't expect him to stop scoring any time soon, as long as team mates create chances he will finish them, but that doesn't mean he'll fit right in and probably not as a wide player in LVGs current system, in my opinion.
 
I couldn't give a rats arse about his behaviour, he scores goals and wins games. Football is not a popularity contest. Having said that I still don't want him back, he's 30 years old and his wages would be astronomical, not to mention his transfer fee. I'll always love him for what he did for us, but I've long since moved on.
 
RonaldON...


Don't think he will work under LVG and the "philosophy" as Ronnie ain't that type of player.

Also he ain't the player that left Utd as his game had completely changed to what it was under SAF.

Those reasons plus his age has made me vote NO but if it happens I won't complain:devil:
 
So they having Payback then 2 weeks after Elimination Chamber and 2 weeks after that Money in the back.
That to many to soon for me

I can't see Ronaldo doing well in the Elimination Chamber, although Woodward will do well in the Money in the Bank.
 
He'll move to a rich big money club post Real and still win things but I feel the type of club we are, we do not suit a Ronaldo in his current temperament. He needs a crass club which indulges his personality, we do not suit players who are not team players.. and LVG is very imcompatible with that sort of personality. It would be a recipe for disaster and there would be a huge fall out especially if Ronaldo does decline in terms of performances in a couple of seasons.

So it's PSG then?

How many Clubs are there that he would entertain & likewise, would entertain him?

Chelsea? NO, obviously.
City? Would he, really do that?
PSG? FFP?
Barca... Sorry, forget that one.
Juve? Maybe - can they afford him?
Arsenal? After what he did to them, Ha!

So that leaves who, er, oh yes! Seems he has a choice of, one which, is why he'll probably stay at Madrid.
 
Ronaldo's excellent record is based around having a team that is significantly superior to 90% of the league, an entire team built around him, an array of creative midfielders around him and lots of shite pens.

His output would dip massively if he rejoins us which he thankfully won't.
 
Ronaldo's excellent record is based around having a team that is significantly superior to 90% of the league, an entire team built around him, an array of creative midfielders around him and lots of shite pens.

His output would dip massively if he rejoins us which he thankfully won't.

Tbf Fergie did the same en route to our last CL title.
 
Well i'd pay £60mil for him even if he sold zero shirts. He's the best in the world at the moment imo and even when he does start declining, he will still be better than most strikers.
He's a goal scoring machine.


Well, that's a completely different discussion. It's the myth that "the club will earn the transfer money back just from shirt and merchandise sales" we're discussing now. I'm torn on this subject. Heart wants him back, but brain says it's not worth it. He left us in his prime and I wouldn't like to see Madrid recoup a huge part of the transfer amount by selling him just when he's (presumably) about the enter the twilight of his career.
 
I thought that Ronaldo was a lot better and lot less reliant on others.

I think he's played his best football at Madrid. Which is to be expected, considering how young he was when he left us. I was really just making the point that Fergie also built the team around Ronaldo. In his last couple of years at the club anyway. Leaving the likes of Rooney and Tevez to fetch and carry, while Ronaldo scored all the goals.
 
I think he's played his best football at Madrid. Which is to be expected, considering how young he was when he left us. I was really just making the point that Fergie also built the team around Ronaldo. In his last couple of years at the club anyway. Leaving the likes of Rooney and Tevez to fetch and carry, while Ronaldo scored all the goals.

I don't disagree but I think the Ronaldo that Fergie built the team around was a lot more suited to it than the current one. I don't think Ronado is necessarily better tbh. Different and more effective perhaps but not as enjoyable or as likely to single handedly win you games as he was before. You want to build your team around someone who can routinely win you games on his by own. I don't Ronaldo is that man not unless we supplement him with another 150m worth of creative players.

The 2008/2009 side was a very boring side primarily because Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov all played second fiddle to Ron and suffered for it.
 
FWIW the shirt sales/ marketing bit is definitely not a myth. United's merchandise department hasn't been maxed out yet, and hasn't plateaued either. We might sell millions of shirts worldwide on an annual basis, but given Ronaldo's stature as a bonafide sporting icon (like a Jordan or LeBron) - the acquisition will push those numbers even further as an increasing number of United supporters buy replica jerseys, or his hundreds of thousand strong entourage of fans/ fangirls add the latest United kits to their collection. That's even aside from the fact that Woody could stand to lure more sponsors in because of Ronaldo's association with United. Individual brand image carries a lot of weight in football these days and Ronaldo is as big as they come.

As an example, PSG's shirt sales eclipsed Olympique de Marseille following Beckham's loan deal :

French soccer club Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) saw sales of its official replica shirts soar by over 60 percent in the 2012-2013 season, a feat largely attributable to David Beckham.

According to Le Figaro, PSG sold over 400,000 shirts during its 2012-13 season, a record for the club, beating its southern rival, l'Olympique de Marseille, for the first time in over a decade.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100981279

Another example, Real Madrid was one of the biggest brands in world football is the early 2000s with the presence of Zidane, Figo, Raul, Ronaldo and co. But the signing of Beckham sent the merchandise figures into overdrive :

His club, Real Madrid, has sold over 1m shirts with Mr Beckham's name and number, 23. These account for 50% of the team's replica-shirt sales, and have already recouped much of the £24.5m Real paid Manchester United for Mr Beckham's signature last June.

http://www.economist.com/node/2502730

Yes, the presence of Ronaldo might detract from our other marketable players (Rooney, Di Maria etc), but that will be offset by a substantial increase in overall volume. As for the wages argument, we could cover it by moving Falcao and Van Persie on. Ronaldo alone can compensate for the loss of the two of them from a performance perspective.
 
lol go to Real Madrid, give them all your prime years and win 2 ballon'Dors with them, when they don't want you come back to Man Utd and get paid 400,000 a week on a 5 year contract. Are we some retirement home for Mendes clients or something? He left for Madrid for whatever reason when they was a shambles and we was a much better team than them, I for one definitely don't want him back. Also anybody saying "come back home" is embarrassing because Manchester is obviously not his home.

Obviously if he somehow kept his form up for 4/5 years it would still be the deal of the century, but that is a big risk, but I don't care. We are not some retirement home so no thanks.
 
No one has asked the really important question yet, does he take Di Maria's number 7?
 
Ronaldo's excellent record is based around having a team that is significantly superior to 90% of the league, an entire team built around him, an array of creative midfielders around him and lots of shite pens.

His output would dip massively if he rejoins us which he thankfully won't.
Yes but this reasoning doesn't hold up when you look at his CL record. His movement and athleticism is unparalleled as a number 9. He's won the last 2 Balon Dor's and has already reinvented himself as a pure goalscorer. his pace is a bonus but isn't his main weapon anymore so shouldn't be an issue going forward.
We would literally be selling one of the all time greats right in the middle if his prime years.
 
The same people who were over the moon signing Di Maria for a British record fee don't want Ronaldo for a similar fee? :rolleyes:

He'll all but guarantee the title in the next few seasons.
 
He's 30 years old... I'd love see him make a return but for the club i think the cost for him would be too much for duration of service he'll give, i hate saying it but i think he'll struggle getting back into the pace & physicality of the premier league and IMO getting him is taking a step back from building a squad of the future to come. Depay is the start of next generation of talent, and getting Ronaldo who could maybe just serve 2 more years until his age will start to creep up to him and then he'll gradually be inconsistent.

Like i said, on a personal level i'd just love see him back in a united shirt again and walking out the united dug out, but for the club it would be a mistake. It's time for next generation, Ronaldo is still one of the best players in the world but i think next coming years will be his decline from the mantel just because of his age and it will catch up to him interms of his pace and possible injuries.
 
No thanks. As RVP and Falcao have proven, buying players on the wrong side of their 'peak' is a massive risk.

For the money it would cost, the risk would be insane.
 
There's an element of risk given his age but he is such an amazing athlete he could have longer in the tank than many would. Truth is we are short of a truly special forward and goal threat in general, and there are very few proven options on offer.
 
Got told (not personally) like a month or two ago "Ronaldo rumors will be big this Summer, but nothing will happen"

I don't think he is totally happy there, but don't expect any movement. He is too big a player for Madrid to leave.
 
Only happens if he decides he wants it to.

His wages would be roughly RVP and Falcao combined. Way better value, that's for sure!

Everybody would love him back. Only the skeptics would suggest otherwise.

When people talk about commerical impact/shirt sales, etc. There are two - and only two - players were this is genuinely true.

The guy has 1/3rd more Facebook fans than Man United ffs.
 
I was thinking this as well. I don't remember him being this much of a kn*b when he was at United - has he changed? Or were we just blind to it when he was here? I remember a lot of opposition fans hating him, so maybe

It's funny you say that, Because I feel completely different about him now then I used to. Like when I was a teenager and he was playing for us I was obsessed with the guy (still have a signed shirt in my spare bedroom funny enough) but now I can't really stand him, not Football wise anyways (his recent huge cash donation to charity proves he is probably still a good guy away from Football).
 
No one has asked the really important question yet, does he take Di Maria's number 7?

Nah it's Depay's new number :drool:.


I'd love him to come back though but it'll never happen. I reckon he will see out his deal at madrid then he will be off to MLS.
 
I find it weird that 46.2% of people not wanting him back is being classed as a "vocal minority"...
 
Imagine the scenes....

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