Cristiano might stay until 2017/2018 to go later to America,if he assumes that he is not irreplaceable,that sometimes he'll be in the bench and that the team can't play for him anymore.For his personality and competitive character I doubt he will accept this.To be the top goal scorer is a nice record but the club strategy should be above his personal interests.If he stays is fine to me but if he is sold is totally understandable too
Cristiano Ronaldo | Summer 2015
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Would love to see him back at United but as long as we aren't made to pay a small fortune.
The 2 million figure isn't new, and it's not quite accurate.Disagree there mate.
1.4 million shirts sold per year is (was) not the upper limit for United's merchandising potential. That figure is from a 2012 Rohlmann report in Bild and IMO our numbers had stagnated in recent years (2009-2012) because despite consistent success under Fergie, we didn't have a David Beckham/ Cristiano Ronaldo type of uber marketable player. People were buying Rooney shirts, but sooner or later there's bound to be a fatigue related stagnation in numbers, especially when a lot of our acquisitions in that period weren't 'glamorous' or desirable enough.
However, with the signing of Robin Van Persie (who displaced Rooney as the #1 shirt seller) and Shinji Kagawa, our numbers jumped from 1.4 million in 2012 to ~2 million in 2014, despite a historically bad season under Moyes (official numbers as in the club 2014 prospectus - Ref. pg 21).
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/13/133303/140729_roadshow_lr.pdf
This jump of 0.6 million in 2 years is the kind of instant impact new marquee players can make - Van Persie as one of the best strikers in Europe, and Kagawa as a cultural/ sporting icon in Japan. In just 1 year of the two transfers, United went from having 1 player in the Top 5 Premier League jersey sales (Rooney) to 3 in the Top 3 (Van Persie, Rooney, Kagawa).
http://www.sportingintelligence.com...l-madrid-top-global-shirt-sale-charts-081001/
"The official Manchester United Investor Relations website says that “over five million items of Manchester United branded licensed products were sold in the last year, including over two million Manchester United jerseys”.
But it is unclear exactly what period ‘last year’ refers to – possibly a 12-month period including part of two summer transfer windows – the period when shirts traditionally sell in greatest volumes.
Dr Rohlmann says that for 40 per cent of all United merchandise to be shirts “is extremely high compared to other top European football clubs” and is “outstanding” if for a single 12-month period. There is also no clarity on the United website over whether ‘jersey’ means football kit shirts or all United shirts, T-shirts and other tops."
As far as I know, there was no massive increase of shirt sales when Van Persie and Kagawa joined.
06/07 - €125m
07/08 - €136m
08/09 - €129m
09/10 - €139m
That's Real Madrid's commercial revenue each season, in the summer of 2009 they signed Alonso, Kaka, Benzema and Ronaldo and yet their commercial revenue was only €3m higher then it was 2 years earlier. Some of the increase was due to a new Bwin deal they signed in 2009.
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I don't care either way.
But a part of me feels that given he's spent his prime at Madrid he should spend his "post-prime" time there too.
But a part of me feels that given he's spent his prime at Madrid he should spend his "post-prime" time there too.
How much is he on a week at Madrid?
Thats genuinely insane.
One would like to think that a publicly listed company (like Manchester United) is more accurate with numbers. The club detailed an estimate of 1.4 million in the IPO offering ~2012, which has been updated to 2 million as of 2014.
Galacticos 2 is not an appropriate model to gauge an increase in commercial revenue given the financial crisis of 2007/ 2008, which affected the marketing/ branding budget of major companies alongwith a severe credit crunch in the Spanish markets and rising unemployment rates across the Iberian peninsula which limited consumer spending.
Galacticos 1 is a more appropriate model starting with Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo; and especially post Beckham's transfer in 2003, which was a watershed moment for Madrid's commercial revenue.
Real Madrid's commercial revenue 2002/ 2003 : € 68.2 million.
Real Madrid's commercial revenue in just 3 years (post 2004/ 2005) : € 124 million.
Deloitte analysis of Madrid's burgeoning revenue :
€330k I think
He's been desperate to beat madrids scoring record this year so that he could come back with no regrets/loose ends hence why he's seemed so selfish. He needs to give his face a rest from the sun too.
It's a done deal.
It's a done deal.
In Spain they usually talk about wages per year, not week, I think he earns 17 million euros net.
Ouch
That's after tax too, no?
Also i think Spain has lower tax rates than in England?
43% of people would not want him back? Wow. Bizarre.
cheers for that.
Aren't you the cafs ITK too?I am fully aware that I will probably be called a fool, but I honestly would have Ronaldo as world #3 behind (just) Arjen Robben. If we are going for an ageing winger, I would prefer Arjen.
Ronaldo statistically scores far more, admittedly, but given Robben has a more than healthy scoring record himself (73 in 127 for Bayern) - I think he is also a far more devastating individual who can and does single - handedly tear defences apart regularly. Robben is a year older, admittedly, although still an express train and I think he would tear the PL apart if we could get him (and keep him fit!).
Ronaldo statistically scores far more, admittedly, but given Robben has a more than healthy scoring record himself (73 in 127 for Bayern) - I think he is also a far more devastating individual who can and does single - handedly tear defences apart regularly. Robben is a year older, admittedly, although still an express train and I think he would tear the PL apart if we could get him (and keep him fit!).
They were claiming 2 million a year back in 2012.
http://ir.manutd.com/financial-information/annual-reports/2014.aspx
Page 37 in the 2012 report & page 27 in the 2014 report. Both say 2 million jersey sales.
How much of this was down to Madrid's policy of controlling a large share of their star players image rights? Unless I'm mistaken most of the bigger teams in Europe don't do this. It might increase their revenue but they have to pay ridiculous salaries in return.
230,000 in sterling, which is actually less than i thought. That has to be after tax?
It's after, so would be around £440k a week for us to sign him?
Really hope we don't tbh, as much as I loved him when he was here we need to move on and develop the next Ronaldo..
Would be a stupid move, just out of principle. Give Madrid 24 year old Ronaldo before he hit his prime and then take him back in his 30s? Probably for the same fee or just slightly less for which he was sold for? I guess with De Gea as a cherry on top. Madness.
I'm not 100% sure but I think the top rate of Spanish income tax in Madrid is 47%, which is higher than here, so I'd be very surprised that if that's net.
It's apparently €40m per year, so €20m after tax. About £550,000 per week.
That's the reason why he will stay for at least another season at Real Madrid in my opinion......he wants that record!!!
No idea, 330.000 € could also have been what he earned with his previous contract as it's been a while since I heard it.
@Skorenzy can you help these guys so I can take credit for it again?
What would he realistically cost?
It would be painful to essentially loan him to Real Madrid for his prime years for free, wouldn't it?
I'm undecided on his return, if he wants to play here again,, whatever Van Gaal and Woodward decide is fine with me.
I'd say 45m would do it. It's a risk for a 30 year old, whatever you think of the scorned lover complex involved. He is however, a freak. Who's to say he couldn't get 30 a season for us until he's 34?
If he came back, he would score more goals than all other atacking players taken together: Rooney, RvP, Mata, AdM, Falcao, Wilson, etc. He will get less than the wages of Rooney and RvP (combined) but will contribute much more than them.
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I voted 'No', but only because if he were to come here, he'd be played on the wing, and I want Depay, Di Maria, Mata, possibly Januzaj, to get regular games there. However, if we got him to play as a striker - which means Rooney on the bench, not in midfield, defence or as goalkeeper - then I'd be all for it. In fact, it would be fairly brilliant. He'd be an absolutely potent #9.
DDG
A good RB - Hummels - Smalling - Shaw
Carrick
Mata - Herrera - Di Maria - Depay
Ronaldo
Ah ma Gahd...A good RB - Hummels - Smalling - Shaw
Carrick
Mata - Herrera - Di Maria - Depay
Ronaldo
Without Falcao and RVP on the books, that's Ronaldo's wage right there.
Our chance to bring him back was the summer of Moyes. There was genuinely something happening that summer (or at least throughout that season). I wonder why it went tits up.
I think he would be devastating there.
This transfer is never going to happen.
Did the newspapers say anything about Ronaldo and Casillas, like that former Real keeper said?
Why? There are many good reasons why people wouldnt want him back
The answer is right there...
That is the consolidated annual report, not the IPO prospectus document from NYSE.
There is absolutely nothing stopping the other clubs from licensing player endorsement deals.
Real Madrid's shrewd planning through the last decade or so has ensured that they don't have to pay ridiculous salaries respective to their revenue. Their wages vs turnover ratio has consistently been a benchmark for European clubs for a long time now, far removed from the peaks of 80-90 % from the late 90s to early 2000s.
By comparison, Arsenal (another well run club) has a wages to turnover ratio of about 55 % and United is at 50 % (current projected revenue of $703 million). Because of the financial success of the Galacticos I and 2 model which led to superior revenue compared to other clubs ($746 million current), the ratio has barely ever touched 50 % despite having the likes of Ronaldo, Zidane, Raul, Beckham, Figo, Kaka, Cristiano, Bale and so forth. Far lower than the 70 % recommended by ECA.
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