I find it weird that a player as great as he was at united is held by some as a legend for three great seasons? Seven or eight seasons of quality and success, then fair enough.
Cristiano Ronaldo | Summer 2015
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It's a bit too late for that Raoul. He's 30, and no manager in their right mind would want to change his game at this stage.
You're entitled to think that, of course. However, three league titles on the bounce does not grow on trees and Ronaldo was our top player in, arguably, the clubs most successful period. So I don't think it is an outlandish notion at all.
Seems we ought to agree to disagree. I feel the word legend is thrown around easily in most sports.
That I agree with.
LvG is no stupid. It would be not be a problem for him to include Ronaldo into the team without necessity to change him in whatever way.
If we signed Ronaldo tomorrow, you could bet your life we'd win the league next season
Don't know about that. He'd win the golden boot though, so you can bet your life on that.
I don't really see much difference between LvG and Mourinho's demands on their respective squads. I know Ronnie fell out with Mourinho, but that was at the end of his time in Madrid, and certainly Ronaldo is not going to get an easy ride from Rafa.
Pretty much, his 40 plus goals would make a massive difference.
Yep, as soon as Ronaldo became world class, we won the league every season with him. 2007, 2008, 2009
Not in Ronaldo's case. He was, is not loved by United for his longevity but the way he graced Old Trafford with his football. He's up there amongst the best players ever to play for United.
I agree! Ronaldo is one of the best Manchester United players ever but for me he's no legend. A United legend should play at this club for a longer time and give his 'prime years' to this club. Ronaldo decided to give his prime years to Real Madrid.
Also the fact he really wanted to leave Manchester for Madrid and was complaining about it isnt something a United legend should do.
Ronaldo is one of our all time best players but not a United legend to me.
Ronaldo is no legend, he saw this club as a stepping stone to Real Madrid and fair play to him he's done brilliantly there. He is a Real Madrid legend.
If he comes back this summer however.........
If he comes back this summer however.........
He's arguably the best player to have ever played for us. He's a legend.
And yet, at the end of his career he'll regard himself and be regarded be others, primarily as a Real Madrid legend not a United one.
Primarily yes because he spent his best years there. He still obviously loves United when you hear him talk about us.
Regardless of all that, if he was available we'd have to be in for him. Put Ronaldo in our current side for Young and the goals he'd score would win us the league.
Will you find de Gea as United legend when he signs for Madrid? By that logic, he is.
I don't want him in our side, 30 years and would cost a fortune, rather spend on some young blood and wait some years for it all to gel than instant success.
We can buy him and buy other players as well. Money is no longer a hindrance.
How's Ronaldinho viewed at Barca?
Ronaldo: probably the first player to be considered a club legend, despite doing most of his best work at, and being synonymous with a different club of similar standing.
As if Gerrard would be a Liverpool legend, had he joined Chelsea straight after Istanbul, and then gone on to play better and make more appearances in their shirt.
No chance Ronaldo's a legend here, in my opinion.
As if Gerrard would be a Liverpool legend, had he joined Chelsea straight after Istanbul, and then gone on to play better and make more appearances in their shirt.
No chance Ronaldo's a legend here, in my opinion.
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No because the top level Ronaldo showed and the top level Dave has shown is completely different. We've also had two better keepers in recentish memory, Edwin and Scmikes.
I (as i can't speak for any other Barcelona fans) would view him as a great player for Barca and a catalyst for the success under Rijkaard, but not a legend. His drop in standards played a part in Rijkaard's last two seasons ending without silverware. I believe the word legend gets used too easily sometimes.
Correct - that's about 40 goals extra right there!
A Portuguese player leaving for Spain isn't really the same as an English player leaving a club for an English rival. Completely different.
Why is it any different? Because Ronaldo is attacking player. Does that mean only attacking players should be legends?
De Gea won our player of the year two times in a row, he is in PFA team of the year second year running, many people find him as clearly second best keeper in the world, he can hardly do anything better performances wise.
Neither of them are United legends in my eyes, but if you are basing your logic on what Ronaldo has done for United performances wise then de Gea definitely has his case too. And there is always that case for Ronaldo that he is more Real Madrid legend than United's, he's won everything with them like he has with United, he even stood out more in that team. I am not sure there are many non-United fans who see Ronaldo as United legend, I think some neutral people might actually find that laughable, especially with some of the legends Manchester United have.
You're probably right, what i meant to say is that i don't like the idea of a past peak Ronaldo coming back to Old Trafford being the big man all of a sudden.
Perhaps. Was just the first example I thought of. The point remains that he's synonymous with Real Madrid to the vast majority of non-United fans. And whike they don't dictate who our legends are, that still speaks volumes.
Madrid are in the same bracket as United, and the majority of his best work was done with them. Every true legend of every club that I can think of, is synonymous with that club. Or, if not, they made an obvious step up, or joined the club after their 'peak'. Eg. Lampard may have been considered a mild City Legend, had he played a big part in a title win this season. Or Pirlo at Juve.
In a list of United legrnds, Ronaldo would be the only one who is seriously attached to another club at all (or at least more than United).
Why not ? Don't you like winning trophies whilst playing exciting football ?
He isn't the same player that left. He is just an exceptional finisher, now. Paying £70m+ for a 30yo finisher isn't sensible.
He'll get nowhere near 40 goals for us, 25 would be a good achievement. And any chance of us playing half decent team football would disappear with his signing.
40 goals in all comps is completely achievable since he got...well 60 this year.
No big club with money and ambition would agree with you.
He's tap in merchant these days i.e relies heavily on players around him to do the business. We don't create chances and unlike in Spain where the gap in quality between Real Madrid and the rest in enormous, the quality of the premier league teams are more even.
Who cares ? He scores [a shitload of] goals and generates a lot of attackishness. Precisely what we need given our final 3rd woes this year.
He's 30 but worth the money. Of course if anyone from Madrid reads this, he's not worth the money. There are a number of reasons why it would be a good idea. People saying he's a tap in merchant. You are absolutely correct. He's got a crap shot from distance, hasn't he! And that relies on pace don't it.....
Even when he loses pace, he's a highly technical player that offers a fair few possibilities.
Even when he loses pace, he's a highly technical player that offers a fair few possibilities.
What?
Those are legitimate reason why he'll struggle to score anywhere near the same number of goals for us which you seem to be ignoring.
I'm not sure signing Ronaldo equal playing exciting football, also the bitter taste of him leaving and then coming back would not leave my mind.
I like for us to win trophies, but the way it's achieved is also important for me, buying some young players that are hungry for trophies is the way we should do it, let them grow together and reap the rewards later.
You do know this is Cristiano Ronaldo we're talking about? Second best player in the world? If fecking Harry kane can score 31 goals for Tottenham, Ronaldo can sure as hell score 50 goals a season wherever he goes.- Status