It's the league with the most quality in it top to bottom
Cristiano Ronaldo | Summer 2015
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Top half? Yes. Best top two/three, by a distance. And the the best from 4th to 10th.
Not sure about the bottom half. Premier league is stronger there, in my opinion.
I would say this years deportivo would comfortably beat Newcastle for example
I'd have backed my local pub team to beat Newcastle at one point this season.
Who?
We're talking in one season. IMO Messi could definitely knock in 60, and Suarez (with the right service and set-up) could possibly get near that mark.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo
Check the stats
313 goals in 300 games
225 goals in 200 league games
Impressive indeed but it's not 300 in under 250
In the last 20 years 4 teams have won the premier league(United Chelsea arsenal city)... The same amount have won la Liga (real barca athletico deportivo)
Yeah I do but he probably regrets that. I don't think anyone actually believed he meant it. He's always been a winker that Ronny. But he's our winker. feck off madrid
I'd happily sell De Gea to Madrid if it opened the door for Cristiano Ronaldo to come back to Man Utd. £80 million, £90 million, £100 million...Ronaldo is worth it.
Anyone else think he's going to be a beast of a player until his late 30's?
Him and Messi are a completely different breed to anything we have ever seen. I don't expect the decline to set in at 32 at all.
Him and Messi are a completely different breed to anything we have ever seen. I don't expect the decline to set in at 32 at all.
It's not who has wins that makes it predictable, it's the potential winners at the start of the season.
If Arsenal went out and signed Vidal or whichever big name this season, coupled with their end of season performances, would you consider them contenders?
City if Pep came on board?
United if we sign Hummels et all?
Chelsea the defending champions.
It's difficult to make this point before the transfer window closes, but we do know there will be major changes at both Manchester clubs etc.
Fact is, you could make an argument for any of the top 4, we had a team come from 7th 2 years ago to should have won it last year ( thank god)
It's alright saying it's predictable when it's over, but especially this summer, it's not so predictable when you have to guess what's going to happen.
In Spain it's different. Barca wins, Madrid sack manager. Rinse and repeat. Atletico were an anomoly last year if were honest.
Neymar is a Brazilian footballer. Plays for Barcelona currently.
The only Premier league season that it was hard to predict who would be challenging for the title in was the 13/14 season and in the end it was a surprising and exciting season as there were three teams challenging for the title (City, Liverpool and Chelsea) which was a surprise as normally only two teams challenge for the Premier League title each season and Liverpool challenging for the title was another shock, just as it is every time they put in a once a decade title push. A lot of the other challengers in recent Premier League seasons have been pretty easy to predict: 09/10 United Chelsea, 10/11 United Chelsea, 11/12 City United, 12/13 United City and 14/15 Chelsea City. The only people who believed otherwise or who struggled to predict the challengers are those who believe the guff rehashed by Sky Sports and the English media on a regular basis (I remember there being lot of noise made about Kenny Dalglish turning Liverpool into title contenders when he spent lot of money on average players and there have been other such silly predictions made over the years which never even came close to coming true).
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He wouldn't leave until he breaks the all time Real Madrid top scorer record.
I thought he has already?
agreed with this...
I'm sure this thread is stuck on a rinse and repeat cycle.
Gets bumped, people get excited.
someone else points out he's about 11 goals from being all time top scorer, making this summer the least chance of him coming back, probably since he left.
We'll sign him after he scores 12 goals for them before the transfer window ends then.
Yea, there can only be 1 winner. There have been four for both over the last 20 years. Good statistic. The problem with statistics is they lack substance.
We'd be instant league and CL contenders. A no brainer really.
He's not leaving Madrid, especially not to a place that he battled tooth and nail to leave in the 3 seasons out of 6 that he was here.
God I hate this Ronaldo talk every summer, it always comes to nought... because guess what? he's not leaving Madrid.
I blame myself for clicking on the thread.
God I hate this Ronaldo talk every summer, it always comes to nought... because guess what? he's not leaving Madrid.
I blame myself for clicking on the thread.
Oh, right. I didn't realise you'd named him. So Neymar is going score more than a goal a game in the next 300 matches? Is that what you're saying?
With that in mind, i always find it fascinating that he's regarded by some as a United legend, and that many still have a fondness for a player who has been playing his peak years at another club.He's not leaving Madrid, especially not to a place that he battled tooth and nail to leave in the 3 seasons out of 6 that he was here.
God I hate this Ronaldo talk every summer, it always comes to nought... because guess what? he's not leaving Madrid.
I blame myself for clicking on the thread.
We've covered this. It's more than impressive though and I think people really need to recognise just how amazing it is.
Most people recognize he was a great player the club and he did a lot of good thing. He also did a lot of stupid things. Signing for Madrid was one of them but he grew up watching the Spanish league, so what can we do? You say best years, but he's a different player now then he was back them. He helped us be successful so people appreciate that. He was a very brave player that simply made a mistake. In my opinion, United and Barcelona were at their peak. United made the mistake though of thinking our training methods at the time, would be sufficient to take Barcelona on. He played just under 300 games for the club and who knows. Only God knows, the future
It was a mistake to sign for Madrid though. We worked on turning him into a well rounded player and Madrid reversed everything we taught him to be and while he's grown in personal success, he's developed a petulant streak.
Well, he really was a great player here, inspired us to win a Champions League and got us back there the following year, United fans often give him a free pass for leaving due to his Iberian ties added to that.
He's also very diplomatic and clever when speaking, which inspires (false) hope that he still *loves the club*,
Ronnie should go into politics after he's done with football in all honestly, he can the sell the masses anything.
I only want him to come back to finally get some criticism he deserves. Every other single player who joins us seems to get it. I wonder if the magic man himself would be immune.
Well he is probably the best player most of us has ever seen play for us... Those who saw best or Edwards might think differently but I expect that is a small percentage of fans... Especially on here
Was fantastic in his penultimate season though
I agree. Im tired of the annual speculation linking him to us whenever it appears he's unhappy about something at Real. He's not coming back 'home', he made his home at Real Madrid.
Yeah, I can understand the appreciation towards his efforts at United. He was TBPITW with us as well, but the love in towards him is a bit much from a large section of our fan base. Almost like we owe him something for his form, especially over those final 3 seasons with us. Ronaldo can do no wrong in the eyes of some, who would gladly rip into our own players instead. That's the bit that agitates me.
The truth is he's more of a Madrid legend than a United one & make no mistake, what he put in at United over those 3 years, he got out as well. And if he decides to leave Madrid - I think it will be for one last pay day at psg or the states as it won't happen anytime soon. Is obviously still welcome him back if it could happen. You don't say no to world class.
But I'm also not the most objective person on topic Ronaldo as I lean a bit too much towards the scorned lover bit
Of course not. I'm saying ronaldo's rival has and Neymar has scored 40 plus goals this season at the age of 22/23, so while what we're seeing is rare, we might see goalscoring like this again. It has also happened in the past of course. Still incredible and very very hard to match/surpass.
Aye, but also the league with the worst dispersion of talent & riches (unless we include PSG & Ligue 1). The top 2 in Spain are comfortably better than anything England has to offer (yeah there's a chance a mourinho bus could snatch a victory here or there) but they shit over the rest of la liga, by a mile.
Simeone's Atletico has done wonders over there - but yeah, i think they day Simeone moves on, they'll drop off a little more.
The rest of La Liga though - as you mentioned, are pretty on par with the EPL, and technically probably better, especially in the lower end, which is appalling if you consider the money the likes of QPR and those teams spend, compared to their La Liga counterparts.
So yeah, the English league is only "better" and more competitive because (a) there's genuinely a spread of the talent and (b) if we're talking about the worlds best 20 players, easily 80-90% of them are with Madrid, Barca and Bayern. So there's that bit of quality drop at the very top of the EPL as well.
I think things might change in the next 2-3 years though.
All fair points.
I would say the PL Is the best league fr a variety of factors but La Liga's top two shit on out top four. They have horded almost all of the top talent in the last five years plus.
I expect the PL to continue to soar ahead financially. This is going to see at least some shifting in the tide of all top, top players ending up at Barca and Madrid.
I think Ronaldo and LvG would fall out immediately. Two very uncompromising characters when it comes to football.
Ronaldo is single-minded, even selfish which makes him the great player he has proved to be over years. He'd want to play in his own way. LvG's philosophy always puts the team paying as a unit ahead of any individual.
Ronaldo is single-minded, even selfish which makes him the great player he has proved to be over years. He'd want to play in his own way. LvG's philosophy always puts the team paying as a unit ahead of any individual.
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Yeah, generally well go through peaks and troughs - English football were quite dominant until this Barca side showed up in fairness - which forced Madrid to embark on Galactico MkII! But yeah, I'd expect a shift in the next 2-3 years.
Whichever league is the "best", is purely down to the individuals point of view:
- strongest teams in the world - la Liga
(But it comes at a price - Barca and
Madrid are so far ahead of the rest, Atletico Madrid & Simeone's miraculous story aside)
- most competitive league in the world - EPL (as in "fairer" in terms of talent and finances) but this is also due to not "any one team" soaking up the best of the best, so 90% of the matches are tough slog fests
Same with Rafa then. Personally, I see LvG as bringing something new to Ronaldo's game.
Imagine the reaction if Ronaldo missed a penalty and Van Gaal demoted him to the bottom of the list.
This ship has sailed.
This ship has sailed.
It's not weird at all mate. He was a key player in winning three league titles in a row, 1 CL and 1 CWC and he also became the only 4th United player to have won the Ballon d'Or.
That means little when it's absolutely seen as a one off whenever someone other than Barça or Real wins it.
At least in the Prem the different teams that have won it have challenged pretty consistently and won multiple titles.
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