Kinsella
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There is no way to measure "ability" so bit of a moot point
That's true for people who measure everything by statistics.
Some players however are beyond statistics.
There is no way to measure "ability" so bit of a moot point
That's true for people who measure everything by statistics.
Some players however are beyond statistics.
I think people's definition of ability sometimes is simply dribbling. There's far more to the game than that. In addition, if we actually judge CR7 as a striker and not as a winger, maybe people would appreciate his skill set a bit more. Even when primes are evaluated, its not close. I would take Cristiano ahead of any player not named Messi or Pele, and even with Pele, due to him being more of an attraction, and the football around him being far less organized, I can make the case that a comparison should not be made.That's fine. I suppose the issue here is that what 'fat Ronaldo' showed, ability wise, before injury curtailed his career was superior to anything that C Ronaldo has shown during his career.
His ability was of a higher level and that matters to a lot of people.
The way he seems to get even better each season is equivalent to someone or something breaking rules of physics. It just does not make sense. He truly amazes me.Well, is there any doubt that he is the GOAT any more? Fantastic player, and the best I've seen in the last decade or so.
He’s been quite poor in the World Cup and didn’t even play in the euro final and his team didn’t even need him to win. He deserves credit for getting them there but it really showed how good Portugal were even with it him.
He’s a poacher and a good one, but that’s as far as it goes. He really needs elite service as when his midfield suffers he can’t do much by himself
Well you can measure by trophies too but it's a moot point because no matter how I tell you that Ronaldo's ability was never at Cristiano's peak you wont accept it so how can we argue about it.
I think people's definition of ability sometimes is simply dribbling. There's far more to the game than that. In addition, if we actually judge CR7 as a striker and not as a winger, maybe people would appreciate his skill set a bit more.
The way he seems to get even better each season is equivalent to someone or something breaking rules of physics. It just does not make sense. He truly amazes me.
«HIM» knocking out Juve? You guys act as if he does everything himself and not getting most of his goals after being set up by his teammates in very good positions for a one-touch finish. Yes I know, his off-the-ball movement is sublime yada yada yada. Missed most clear-cut chances in the Liga BTW.Exactly.
He's just incredible. Watch him knock out Juventus.
«HIM» knocking out Juve? You guys act as if he does everything himself and not getting most of his goals after being set up by his teammates in very good positions for a one-touch finish. Yes I know, his off-the-ball movement is sublime yada yada yada. Missed most clear-cut chances in the Liga BTW.
Do you want him to play like Messi by dribbling 5 players and scoring a goal? Every player has a way of playing and he delivers using his.«HIM» knocking out Juve? You guys act as if he does everything himself and not getting most of his goals after being set up by his teammates in very good positions for a one-touch finish. Yes I know, his off-the-ball movement is sublime yada yada yada. Missed most clear-cut chances in the Liga BTW.
In this thread is the first time I'm seeing someone calling a heat map fake![]()
«HIM» knocking out Juve? You guys act as if he does everything himself and not getting most of his goals after being set up by his teammates in very good positions for a one-touch finish. Yes I know, his off-the-ball movement is sublime yada yada yada. Missed most clear-cut chances in the Liga BTW.
«HIM» knocking out Juve? You guys act as if he does everything himself and not getting most of his goals after being set up by his teammates in very good positions for a one-touch finish. Yes I know, his off-the-ball movement is sublime yada yada yada. Missed most clear-cut chances in the Liga BTW.
Because it looks like in such an obvious way.
Average it is not, if it's from a specific game which one is it? In any case it doesn't look like a realistic heat map for a game either, a team would have to be super dominant for 90 minutes and have the striker in the area 90/90.
Here you can see the Heat maps of Real vs Girona, the most recent game where Ronaldo scored 4 goals.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1222207/Live/Spain-La-Liga-2017-2018-Real-Madrid-Girona
As expected Ronaldo touched the ball more times in the offensive midfield, as is normal.
Because it looks like in such an obvious way.
Average it is not, if it's from a specific game which one is it? In any case it doesn't look like a realistic heat map for a game either, a team would have to be super dominant for 90 minutes and have the striker in the area 90/90.
Here you can see the Heat maps of Real vs Girona, the most recent game where Ronaldo scored 4 goals.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1222207/Live/Spain-La-Liga-2017-2018-Real-Madrid-Girona
As expected Ronaldo touched the ball more times in the offensive midfield, as is normal.
Yes but I think some things were not under Rooney's control. I think Ronaldo naturally has very good genetics upon which he has built a fantastic body. This idea that Rooney isn't/wasn't a hard worker seems a bit odd to me. You can't compare his hard work to Ronaldo but think of other top players like Di Maria or Toure or even Fabregas. Quality aside, Rooney has always given 100% on the pitch especially in his younger days would work really hard.
Although both were at a similar level early on I just think physically Ronaldo always had an edge. I do get your point though. Rooney easily could have been up there as well.
But the heat map shown earlier is a season average. If he spends the vast majority of matches camped out in the box (as he should, he's deadliest there), then one or two matches spent there won't change the average much.
It's not, it's literally fake. No player ever in the history of football spends most of their time in the 6 yard box. Look at it
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It's not, it's literally fake. No player ever in the history of football spends most of their time in the 6 yard box. Look at it
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Portugal has done well in international tournaments for their standard with him since I recall (Euro 2004) and their only poor performance was in 2014 but for the rest he has been very good for them, don't know what you're on about.
Isn't it a map of ball touches, not actual position?
Isn't it a map of ball touches, not actual position?
Ronaldo is similar to Salah both strikers who play on the wing, both great finishers but not a patch on other players who can score at a same rate but also play make(ok only 1 currently who shall not be named).
Ronaldo is similar to Salah both strikers who play on the wing, both great finishers but not a patch on other players who can score at a same rate but also play make(ok only 1 currently who shall not be named).
No. And if it was ball touches it would be nowhere near that either.
He is incredible, I haven't being following his performances as much week in, week out in La Liga this year but from what many were calling a sub par season, he now has 37 goals in 34 games. He is absolute animal and his mental strength is to my mind second to none.
He has certainly adapted his game with age but he and Madrid are hitting form at the right time of the year for the CL yet again, and he appears to be doing it in the big games over the last few years, something he was criticised for earlier in his career.
Its virtually impossible to have that heat map unless your a gkIn this thread is the first time I'm seeing someone calling a heat map fake![]()
Out of curiosity, but how many players and coaches who have no connection with Portugal/United/Madrid have actually said that CR7 is GOAT?
I'm with you. I'm just reiterating the point that I've never heard the accusation of falsifying heat maps before. Why would anyone want to do that? I don't need a heat map to tell me that Ronaldo's best work is done predominantly within the box.
Iceland is weirdly close to the UK on that map.I think this was the voting for Cristiano's 4th ballon d'Or and in fact most countries (137) had him as the first choice and the countries in red are the ones who voted Messi as first (13 countries).
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So yeah, he's pretty rated in a lot of places. In fact my sister (she has no clue about football or sports) was asking me if Ronaldo played for Barcelona as she hears a lot of people in her work who rate a lot Barcelona, lol.
Out of curiosity, but how many players and coaches who have no connection with Portugal/United/Madrid have actually said that CR7 is GOAT?
There's a lots of examples when neutrals/rivals like Rooney, John Terry, Roy Keane, Wenger etc. have praised Messi as the best player they've ever seen.