I'll too, as a Nigerian I'll like to see Osimhen at United, he has big potential but already very good.
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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I think it is probably partly around status and also just human nature to not want to needlessly give something up.
Well obviously, but I don't they don't rate him
DiMarzio but I doubt its happening
To be fair, with this sort of obligation to buy deal, I think you just have to view it as if we're paying 100m this window.
The question is, if we had the budget, would we have bought this player for 100m in a normal summer window? If yes, then there's no reason not to go for this loan with obligation to buy deal.
This removes the "well what if he's shit in his first year" questions as if we'd have bought him outright this summer, he could still be shit in his first year and we'd be in basically the same position as we would be if we loaned him and had to buy next summer.
The issue we have is I very much doubt we'd be in for this player at 100m under normal circumstances and we may end up agreeing to this out of desperation to resolve this Ronaldo situation.
I remember that game; thought he looked tons better as a striker. Given that we were struggling to score at the time, I didn’t understand why he wasn’t given more chances there. LvG certainly rates him as a striker these days.
Let’s see if Mendes can work his magic. Napoli need to account for the commercial boost Ronaldo brings. An equivalent of a EUR85M outlay next season is decent, but I’d rather a loan-swap where both clubs pay the full wages of the incoming player.
There’ll be plenty of downward pressure in the transfer market next year as clubs either tighten their purses or go into receivership.
There’ll be plenty of downward pressure in the transfer market next year as clubs either tighten their purses or go into receivership.
Going for an obligation to buy at this late a stage of the window would be less than ideal.
We don't know how he will fit in or how Ten Hag will evolve his style.
Only loan with option to buy is acceptable. Ronaldo and Mendes can feck off, otherwise, and we should be covering 0 of his wages.
We don't know how he will fit in or how Ten Hag will evolve his style.
Only loan with option to buy is acceptable. Ronaldo and Mendes can feck off, otherwise, and we should be covering 0 of his wages.
Ronaldo will be staying. Glazers dont want to sell. The glazers just need to drag it out to deadlne day and then have the fax machine not work.
Whether Ronaldo going would be better for us or not, does it not bother people that once again, the Glazers are blocking potential sales that the manager wants?
They've done this a few times before. Mourinho especially wasn't happy with it at all, nor should he be.
They've done this a few times before. Mourinho especially wasn't happy with it at all, nor should he be.
The Glazers are blocking the sale of Ronaldo? Where did you hear that?
It's quite widely reported that old Joel isn't keen on selling Ronaldo due to the commercial 'benefits'
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Wouldn’t be at all comfortable with it being an obligation to buy.
Yeah agree when it's absolutely there's no chance a top club would sign him he'll lower his demands and leave.
Anyway as crazy as it seems I don't mind at all if we pay the 25m just to get rid of him. Will worth the money trust me you definitely don't want a unhappy Ronaldo at your club.
I dont, I want him gone.
A Manchester radio station is reporting that his agent has held talk with Napoli.
who knows it may be true !
who knows it may be true !
Also, what if he gets badly injured? Or some random off the field thing happens that rules him out? There are lots of things that could happen to make an obligation bad business, aside from simply - as you say - panic buying yet another player late in the window for well over the odds. However good he is, no club can afford to just keep throwing £100m at people who aren’t at least somewhat of a sure thing. Our transfer business model has been terrible for some time, at some point we have to stop doing that - or at least stop laughing at Barca for tantamount to the same thing!
People who say “just pay it, it’s not our money” are being very naive to the declining state of our finances I feel… We might not be in real danger yet, but we’re not in great shape either. There are lots of cleverer ways to spend our money, completely irregardless of what happens with Ronaldo.
An option to buy is a much much better deal, and we shouldn’t entertain anything less IMO. If he’s really that good, at least we’ll know the investment is sound.
Also why are Napoli so keen to swap a supposedly brilliant young striker for an ageing declining mercenary exactly? Is the €30m gross they’re gonna make really significant enough of a coup?
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Come on Napoli aren't stupid like the Manchester United board. This isn't happening. Absolutely silly thing to do for Napoli. Swapping a striker in his prime for one past his prime. Makes no sense for them.
Should have straight swapped with Fabian Ruiz because we can't afford to pay what Osimhen would cost.
Unless it's a 1 year loan with a buy obligation/option next year.
Unless it's a 1 year loan with a buy obligation/option next year.
So what would you do @Mockney?
Understand this, but think it shows an interesting position where it seems like he may be prioritising his income, above his CL legacy (his view from what I can tell)
Just feel it’s a bizarre view, why let money hold you back from doing what you want, when you don’t need it. What’s the point in being so wealthy if you can’t use it to get what you want
"Obligation to buy" is just a purchase with a delayed payment. It's an FFP dodge I guess.
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This seems a sensible way to view this.
I don’t think for one second we would have been in for him this window and certainly not for €100m.
I suspect this is Napoli trying to have their cake and eat it by gaining a commercial and footballing asset (yes in that order) which will give them a financial boost while also making a profit on a good player.
I’d honestly rather we just loan him out and buy Jonathan David.
Yeah like paying 30 days later with PayPal. It's not really a loan at this stage
Although you'd expect a hike in wages once proper signed, so you're paying that a year later. Profit!
How is this good?
We essentially get boxed in.
The Glazers are like Satan they get blamed for everything that doesn't go right.
Thing is if Ronaldo does end up staying he'll have to get on with it, its in his best interest to get back in favour with the manager.
I hope he leaves though.
I hope he leaves though.
Reported.Seems to be great at pressing too. Is he really 23 years old?
If he stays, I hope he comes to the realisation that literally no-one wanted him enough and that no one valued him at the level he valued himself.
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I know what means but that’s how I see it too. If we do this it’ll purely be an FFP dodge.However having thought about it Im just saying that I don’t think we should be in for Osimhen for anywhere near €100m. I have no issue with an option to buy or maybe an obligation under certain conditions for example we get top 4 and let’s say Osimhen plays X minutes with Y goals but I don’t know if such deals are possible.
I don’t think the best solution is removing one issue and then throwing €100m in deferred payment at it unless we have heavily scouted and are very interested in Osimhen.
It's crazy. He is desperate to leave us supposedly but still won't accept a financial hit to facilitate the move.
Has anybody actually come in with a firm bid for United to reject? Are clubs expecting United to just give Ronaldo away for free or worse still pay his wages while he plays for them?
If Napoli are so keen to have Ronaldo, then surely a straight swap with an option to buy is sound? If it doesn’t work they get their great player back after Ronnie leaves, no?
If not, and Ronaldo leaves anyway, id rather we get someone like Memphis/Dembele in as a stop gap whilst we actually scout cheaper alternatives like a real club should, or develop Garnacho over the season… Alternately hold Ronaldo to his contract and tell him to buckle down.
I dunno, I don’t work in player recruitment but I don’t need to to know throwing multiple £100m deals at people with no track record at the top level isn’t sensible strategy, and precisely what most of us (and even ducking Arnold!) said we shouldn’t still be doing when Woodward left.
I know we have to do it sometimes, because of our predicament, but not wily nilly. It feels like some people actively want us to end up in a Barca situation if it means we get some shiny new toys like them.
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400K/week squad player confirmed.
Yeah I hope he or the media don't spin it as United keeping him against his will, unwilling to do business or rejecting decent offers for him.
If his ego is too big to take a paycut, then he deserves every minute on the bench.
I'm very excited about this season with Ten Hag, but not loving the prospect of another year of the Ronaldo circus.
The Bailly deal is conditional on games played and champions league qualification. I think the Griezman deal also and that is why Athletico are playing him for less than 45 minutes at a time.
However having thought about it Im just saying that I don’t think we should be in for Osimhen for anywhere near €100m. I have no issue with an option to buy or maybe an obligation under certain conditions for example we get top 4 and let’s say Osimhen plays X minutes with Y goals but I don’t know if such deals are possible.
I don’t think the best solution is removing one issue and then throwing €100m in deferred payment at it unless we have heavily scouted and are very interested in Osimhen.
A €100m deferred transfer conditional on scoring 20 goals this season would be a good outcome for all. Personally I would do the deal at c.€80m, with add ons taking it up to €100m, so it only becomes unconditional if he scores 20 goals in season 1, and they get an extra €20m at a rate of 1m per goal in season 2.
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