Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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Swoobs said:
Quoted for the truth. Even in his late Madrid days you can see that his ball control wasn’t there anymore. Could still dribble back then, just not on an elite rate
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No, his dribbling was completely gone by 2016. In fact, he actually improved in that regard after he left. His ball control on the other hand has never deserted him, even now.
 
Ted Lasso said:
Actually it's an incredible apt thing to bring up. The word Slavery is constantly brought up as cheap shot. Something incredibly serious being used as a common insult in a debate against a player who never even used the word.

So like the sexual assault, it's again telling of the headspace of the posters and fans bangin on the slavery door. They don't care about the awful history there, just that some player didn't want to stay at their club forever and ever.
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It's brought up only ever in a mocking tone that highlights the absolute lunacy of comparing a highly compensated and well treated professional athlete to a slave.

It's the same as if my deliveroo order was 10 minutes late and I compared myself to someone facing genuine food poverty and then people used that to mock me. They would be making light of me making light of the serious subject. Not the subject itself.

Either way the fact that people are focusing on Ronaldo's behaviour towards Manchester United on a Manchester United forum and not bringing up his previous accusations of something far worse is not a sign of people not caring about sexual assault. It is a sign of people discussing the subject this forum was actually created for, football. To insinuate it is such a cheap and dare I say classless tactic.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
It's brought up only ever in a mocking tone that highlights the absolute lunacy of comparing a highly compensated and well treated professional athlete to a slave.

It's the same as if my deliveroo order was 10 minutes late and I compared myself to someone facing genuine food poverty and then people used that to mock me. They would be making light of me making light of the serious subject. Not the subject itself.

Either way the fact that people are focusing on Ronaldo's behaviour towards Manchester United on a Manchester United forum and not bringing up his previous accusations of something far worse is not a sign of people not caring about sexual assault. It is a sign of people discussing the subject this forum was actually created for, football. To insinuate it is such a cheap and dare I say classless tactic.
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Multimillionare footballers who are worshipped like gods think they are slaves if they have to honour their contract which no one forced them to sign.
 
He is staying then. Not entirely sure about this. I don't think this is a good idea at all.
 
To you guys who talk about MLS, is he even allowed in that country?

Can’t we just make him train his sons team? Sure, an expensive youth coach, but guess he can learn them a thing or two. Maybe we in that sense can get some value from him down the line?
 
giorno said:
No, his dribbling was completely gone by 2016. In fact, he actually improved in that regard after he left. His ball control on the other hand has never deserted him, even now.
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Never felt that way when I was watching Real back then. Felt that his first touch were quite rubbish sometimes, whereas he could still dribble with the occasional wow factor. But of course, I defer to your opinion as you are a Real fan and would have watched him far more frequently that I did back then
 
Telsim said:
He is staying then. Not entirely sure about this. I don't think this is a good idea at all.
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It is a shitty idea. He should have been pushed out but it seems there no interested clubs anymore. He is done, the only good thing is that EtH benched him
 
He will stay, and it’s not a bad thing per se. He has uses as a super sub, and we can’t forget he was our top scorer last season.

Is he an egotistical who thinks first about him? Indeed he is. But he keeps a top physical condition, is always a pro when on the field and can contribute to the team.

Actually I prefer having him over us signing that flop depay, that many are considering (no idea why).
 
If a Napoli deal doesn't happen then he is probably not going anywhere. Don't see where else he would go if he is after CL fotboll, since pretty much all other clubs rejected him already.
 
Swoobs said:
Never felt that way when I was watching Real back then. Felt that his first touch were quite rubbish sometimes, whereas he could still dribble with the occasional wow factor. But of course, I defer to your opinion as you are a Real fan and would have watched him far more frequently that I did back then
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According to whoscored he averaged about 1,5 completed dribbles pr match for Real Madrid from 2016 and onwards for them.
 
Sounds like Chelsea struggling to get CF in.

Tuchel might end up accepting Ronaldo only one available.
Not too fussed if he ends up at Chelsea, his legs look gone Saturday from his time on the pitch.
 
colombianmancunian said:
He will stay, and it’s not a bad thing per se. He has uses as a super sub, and we can’t forget he was our top scorer last season.

Is he an egotistical who thinks first about him? Indeed he is. But he keeps a top physical condition, is always a pro when on the field and can contribute to the team.

Actually I prefer having him over us signing that flop depay, that many are considering (no idea why).
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Purposely sending your team mates out wide so you can occupy the middle for the glory isn't what I'd call a pro.
 
He’s become a bit of a football relic in an era where it’s all about working as a team unit and putting a shift in. He isn’t good enough to justify his special status as a free roamer.
 
Zidane1982 said:
I covered that

his team at Real Madrid would have been seen as a failure had it not been for the fluky outlier of the three CLs between 2016 and 2018. And that is a great example of what I am saying, beause during that they got outplayed a lot and some of that is due to being one dimensional in setting up Ronaldo, as well as dodgy refereeing decisions. If it hadn't been for that run they'd have won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and 1 CL in 9 seasons of the two big trophies that Real Madrid care about.

You go on about the CL, but you overlook that they only won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and were dominated by barca who won 6 ergo they were a flukey cup team.

Even at Man United the first time, everyone had to set up their entire game to get the best out of Ronaldo. I just don't rate a guy that highly when he needs the rest of the team to behave like lackeys to get him his inflated goal stats. Messi isn't the same case as he actually is much more of a team player and makes his team-mates better, as did Pele, maradona etc. Ronaldo extracts the juice out of his team-mates, then they get the blame after his teams naturally fail because they have to set up to get him goals (Juventus, Man United this time, Portugal). It is fecking laughable how this utter cnut destabilises his team and his team-mates then everyone else gets the blamed pinned on them and he gets off with it scot-free. It's a thing where everyone is to blame, but he takes all the credit and they take all the blame, even his own PR team is trying to spin it this way with the 'Ronaldo fulfilled his part of the bargain, United did not'/ I see it happening for his time at Juve and I see it happening now at UNited on here. Admittedly while it was a problem in his prime he was more worth it then, but is he feck worth it now when he is completely and utterly past it.

Is it really that impressive averageing a goal a game when you take twice as many shots as anyone else in the league, as he consistently did in Spain? I'd argue he's just a volume law of averages player, the same way Fernandes tries 20 through balls a game, costs a counter attack with 19 but gets the last one right and imbeciles go on about how creative he is. If you keep doing something eventually you will get it right. People who wank over Ronaldo's goal stats totally overlook all the conditions and factors which have allowed it to happen, some of which I have covered in this post.

If you played football you'd know this - people absolutely HATE playing with players who are as selfish, arrogant, deluded and ungrateful on and off the pitch as Ronaldo He has never once acknowledged the massive role his team-mates play in his success. He's so clueless and deluded that he bought the nonsense that he won RM those CLs single handedly, then backed himself to do it at Juve. Well, we know how that turned out. And I predicted it too. Anyone with half a brain could see he was a poacher who would be nowhere near as effective without the Real Madrid chance creation set up behind him.

I would argue he's been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time - that his ability and reputation is amplfied from playing in a much more attacking era with greater disparity between the top clubs and the rest. He is by orders of magnitude a worse footballer (note I said FOOTBALLER, not GOALSCORER) than pele, Maradona, Cruyff, messi et al.

. And you'd have lost the 2009 CL Final no matter what, but this tit taking potshots from 30 yards constantly in the first ten minutes before Eto'o scored certainly didn't help. He is an individual player who only cares about his stats, and it's indulging this attitude that leads to the state United (second time) and Juve were in with him and 2 league titles in 9 seasons for Real Madrid. People go on about his success - his main successes have come when he has been a worse player (post 30). Goes to show that trophies are very misleading in analysing a player. I would also posit that Portugal would do better in tournaments (other than the one they fluked) if they didn't have this prick dominating, intimidating and demading from the others on and off the park and creating a complete attention seeking circus. They were more of a team when he went off injured in the 2016 Final. I maintain they'd have lost that final had he not got injured.

But you keep clinging to those three CLs in a row, where they weren't the best team in Europe in any of those three seasons, truth be told. They got there through sheer force of will and refereeing decisions, not because it is tactical genius to try to set up Ronaldo with 10 chances a game. But like I say,. keep clinging to it...

Overall, this guy has a serious personality issue (or issues) and he needs taking down a peg or 8. His atitude is out of control and making football a mockery and people like you simply encourage him and exacerbate the situation by defending him. it is celebrity worship. It is clear to me that you have a major soft spot for the guy, hence your constant irrational defence of him. yes I hate him, but I would argue it is much more normal to hate someone who is a cnut and a stranger than to love them.

I personally can't wait for the cnut to retire so we don't have to put up with his attention seeking and arrogance. Hopefully his fame dwindles and he becomes increasingly irrelevant as we and he age. I don't like Haaland as a player either but he is a goalscoring machine and not quite as unlikeable as Ronaldo, so hopefully he obliterates this greasy cock's goal records because goal records is all most shallow fans seem to put stock in.

Also, if there is 'no obsession with goals' why do you constantly quote his goal stats and use it as evidence that he isn't at fault?

by the way, in response to the guy saying Ronaldo was better technically years ago (I am out of post and can't quote him) I would say this.

I don't think he was, his all-round game has been appalling since at least 2014, and I have seen him make many technical mistakes in games as far back as his prime, much more than you'd see from Messi,. neymar, Lewandowski etc.

Fact is he's a great goalscorer, a power and pace merchant, athletic counter-attack player. That is why Man United love him, cos that was your style under Ferguson. He's mediocre technically though compared to even the best technicians of his generation, never mind of all time. Do you think he'd have been half the player if not for his athetic gifts (same goes for Haaland)?

In fact, I would say Ronaldo himself, is a microcosm of United as a club, and why ferguson loves him. He is counter-attacking, pace, power, speed, but lacking in technicial ability, and ability to press, and poor in tight spaces. This sums up Man United as a team throughout their modern history. Reling on counter attack and individualism, and being unable to play the Pep or Michels or Cruyff way. I have made the point before that Guardiola changed football again and fecked your club, the rot goes back to those two CL Finals they hammered you, because these days you need to have the ability to press, put together passing movements, be great technically and tactically. And as we can see, that has never been Man United's game, you are stuck playing 90s football. Ten Hag is trying to change that but can he change the entire ethos of a club? I highly doubt it. Plus 90 per cent of the idiots in your squad are technically and tactically deficient. You need to whole new squad almost. Ten Hag is not an idiot and he knows most of these players will never suffice.


By the way, I am not a Man United fan, quite the antithesis, which is why I have no problem slating the feck out of this utter cnut. I always hated him anyway, both as a player and as a person.
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One of the all time worst posts In history.
Surprised you didn't say if you take out his 800 fluked goals he'd be serving chips in McDonalds.
 
He will go to Chelsea on deadline day and end up top scorer in the league, mark my words
 
Id rather we just terminated his contracted, paid up and fecked him off than have his circus and drama impact the team for the remainder of the year.
 
If he doesn't lower his wages tremendously or adapt to the pressing game he might as well forget about playing champions league again. No CL club wants him because of those two things and this window wouldn't be an anomaly.
 
Looks like he is staying put. If so, there are 2 questions that need positive answers. Is Cristiano fit enough to be used as a super sub in EPL? Is he willing to accept this and motivated to give his all during the 20-30 mintes he plays in EPL games?
 
redmanc said:
Id rather we just terminated his contracted, paid up and fecked him off than have his circus and drama impact the team for the remainder of the year.
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You’d rather pay him upwards of £26m?
 
Water Melon said:
Looks like he is staying put. If so, there are 2 questions that need positive answers. Is Cristiano fit enough to be used as a super sub in EPL? Is he willing to accept this and motivated to give his all during the 20-30 mintes he plays in EPL games?
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If he stays, he will probably be used like he was last year. That's 38 fixtures, primarily as a starter. The condensed schedule will also probably force ETH to rotate all his players to keep them fresh between now and Dec.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I think it’s possible of them to achieve that, given the fact they are still young and will play as main talisman in super team. But the hardest part is to maintain high level of consistency/longevity/fitness over the years, which is super rare in football. Take last season for example, Haaland could only score 3 goals in CL due to injuries. There are going to be some odd years for them not scoring many, which might stop them for reaching such figure.
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Yea the longevity aspect is key here and staying injury free. The truth is if both PSG and Man City hit their stride in Europe for a sustained period of time (let’s say 3-4 years), you’ll quickly see Haaland and Mbappe eating into that difference. I think it’s where they are career wise when they turn 28/29 that is key to whether they can go on and break the record.
 
Raoul said:
If he stays, he will probably be used like he was last year. That's 38 fixtures, primarily as a starter. The condensed schedule will also probably force ETH to rotate all his players to keep them fresh between now and Dec.
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I see your point mate, but it looks like Cristiano is on his very last legs. Taking into account the intensity of EPL, I do not see him starting against any side in the league. As for Europa and English cups, I wonder how motivated he would be to give his all in those matches.
 
Raoul said:
If he stays, he will probably be used like he was last year. That's 38 fixtures, primarily as a starter. The condensed schedule will also probably force ETH to rotate all his players to keep them fresh between now and Dec.
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No way EtH starts him when everyone's fit and there is no need to rotate. You should have seen that by now.
Lack of pre season something.
 
The Firestarter said:
No way EtH starts him when everyone's fit and there is no need to rotate. You should have seen that by now.
Lack of pre season something.
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There will always be a need to rotate given injuries and the schedule. Martial is already out and Rashford wont be a consistent starter up top.
 
I wonder if he’ll take the Saudi offer on deadline day if nothing else comes up, sign a one year deal and reassess next summer
 
In Rainbows said:
But agreeing with the sentiment is practically the same thing as saying it.

Edit: Oh I see. You're saying that he could have agreed with the idea of players being allowed to move more freely, but not the term slavery.
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Yup, if you go down the route of really digging into the language and the intention it's likely the player (and interviewer) being too self centered and daft to realize the power of the word choice and analogy being used to make a point.

But my big issue here is posters upset with the meaning behind Ronaldo's affirmative not in the context of using slavery in an awful self serving context but because he wanted to leave Man United. I'm uncomfortable with lingering and giving more airtime to that particular phrase
 
OverratedOpinion said:
It's brought up only ever in a mocking tone that highlights the absolute lunacy of comparing a highly compensated and well treated professional athlete to a slave.

It's the same as if my deliveroo order was 10 minutes late and I compared myself to someone facing genuine food poverty and then people used that to mock me. They would be making light of me making light of the serious subject. Not the subject itself.

Either way the fact that people are focusing on Ronaldo's behaviour towards Manchester United on a Manchester United forum and not bringing up his previous accusations of something far worse is not a sign of people not caring about sexual assault. It is a sign of people discussing the subject this forum was actually created for, football. To insinuate it is such a cheap and dare I say classless tactic.
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It has been weaponized. First by Blatter and then by, as expected, UK news outlets that are traditionally very racially insensitive and continuing to be perpetuated on here not as a joke but to be critical of Ronaldo for wanting to leave Manchester United.

If the statement and affirmation were being used to critique Ronaldo and a broad insensitivity to the history of slavery, I would have no issue. But that isn't how it's being commented on.

Regarding the rape and sexual assault case, let me pause and first apologize if I've offended you. I'm sorry. I think you're right in that I should not conflate the two issues here. I've been on edge about this issue in particular for a few weeks because of a shocking number of posters expecting or wanting Greenwood back in a United kit. Translating that to this conversation is a leap and more importantly isn't fair. I can still be critical of the opinions around this it but it is probably better served elsewhere.
 
Nogho said:
To you guys who talk about MLS, is he even allowed in that country?

Can’t we just make him train his sons team? Sure, an expensive youth coach, but guess he can learn them a thing or two. Maybe we in that sense can get some value from him down the line?
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He is. Case against him was civil and thrown out.
 
Sandikan said:
One of the all time worst posts In history.
Surprised you didn't say if you take out his 800 fluked goals he'd be serving chips in McDonalds.
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Incredible! I kept scrolling and scrolling and scrolling. The post that never ends!
I stopped reading after '3 CL wins' and 'fluke'.
 
Ted Lasso said:
It has been weaponized. First by Blatter and then by, as expected, UK news outlets that are traditionally very racially insensitive and continuing to be perpetuated on here not as a joke but to be critical of Ronaldo for wanting to leave Manchester United.

If the statement and affirmation were being used to critique Ronaldo and a broad insensitivity to the history of slavery, I would have no issue. But that isn't how it's being commented on.

Regarding the rape and sexual assault case, let me pause and first apologize if I've offended you. I'm sorry. I think you're right in that I should not conflate the two issues here. I've been on edge about this issue in particular for a few weeks because of a shocking number of posters expecting or wanting Greenwood back in a United kit. Translating that to this conversation is a leap and more importantly isn't fair. I can still be critical of the opinions around this it but it is probably better served elsewhere.
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I still think you are angry at the wrong people. I think your anger comes from people who minimise the idea of slavery despite it being possibly the worst evil in recorded history. Those people aren't the ones who refer to Ronaldo as a slave mockingly. The very thing they are mocking is how someone could possibly compare Ronaldo's plight of not being sold in 2008 to something so unspeakable. I do agree with 2 parts of what I have been following mind.
  1. It absolutely was Blatter who said it and Ronaldo probably just nodded and agreed because it was so awkward and Blatter was a very important man at that point.
  2. It was an insensitive and ugly use of the word and it probably is better just being forgotten rather than used as a type of meme for entitled wantaway players.
With that said the people saying it are still indirectly just highlighting how absurd the comparison was.

Lastly you just did something that is incredibly rare on internet forums in admitting you maybe made a slight misstep in how you expressed your thoughts, I find that highly commendable personally and appreciate it.

P.s Greenwood is a rotten little piece of shit and I hope I never see his face at Old Trafford again.
 
He and his agent is making it up as if it is United that will not let him go.

Make it public that we have transfer listed him and that the transfer fee is € 1.00 + inform he is welcome to buy himself out at the same fee.
 
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