Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

[Borys]

I don't know what we expected to happen, but seems like every possible thing backfired at us.
Personally a year ago I thought it's a good idea, a risk worth taking.

 

[Catt]

All of this is making Ronaldo look ridiculous

 

[GifLord]

From what I remember FiFA president made some comment about clubs should allow players wanting to leave to leave otherwise its tantamount so modern slavery, poorly constructed point, Ronaldo in an interview said he agreed with the comments. Not the best, but he didnt say anything directly, from what I remember as a long time at all he didnt really say much at all in the interview and the press blowed it out of all proportion.

Has Ronaldo had self interest and the typical selfishness of a top striker, of course yes. But wanting to move to the club you dream of, I dont think he was disrespectful to us the way he handled the transfer, Im pretty sure he agreed to stay for another season to get the move and I understand his desire to move now.

You will get very few players with the loyalty to a club of a Tottie, Del Piero, Giggs etc, especially players that have come from abroad and I am not for any split second putting Ronaldo in that category. But I don tthink he has ever been bad to the club in either spell, said anything bad about the club, quite the opposite in between those spells and most importantly in his first spell and last season, he has performed very welll for us

I am a slave, says Ronaldo as he pushes for Madrid move @ Guardian

Blatter, an honorary member of Real Madrid with close ties to the club's president, Ramón Calderón, had described himself as "very much in sympathy" with Ronaldo and urged United to allow him to leave, suggesting it was otherwise tantamount to slavery. "I agree with what he said," said Ronaldo, when that last point was put to him. "It's true. I agree with what the president of Fifa said. I know what I want and what I would like. We have to see what happens. I do not know where I will begin next season."

Ronaldo: I am a slave @ Independent

CRISTIANO Ronaldo put himself back on a collision course with Manchester United last night after declaring he agreed with FIFA president Sepp Blatter's claim that he had been treated like a slave by the Reds.

In an interview that is bound to further infuriate United boss Sir Alex Ferguson and the Old Trafford hierarchy, the 23-year old winger also appeared to reiterate his desire to move to Real Madrid.

However, Ronaldo insisted that, at present, he had made no agreement to join the Spaniards who have been courting his signature all summer.

But in a further bombshell for the Reds, last season's 42-goal hero also revealed that he now expected to be out for up to 12 weeks after his ankle operation earlier this week.

"I agree with the comments of the president of FIFA. What he said is right,” he told Portuguese channel TVI.

He never gave a flying feck about Man Utd it was always about him and him only.

 

[Brwned]

True, but the odds of maintaining the pace they are on now is slim to none.

Worth pointing out that you often dramatically overstate the certainty of your own opinions on things, particularly when extrapolating goal returns from small samples to the full sample. When you say the chances are “slim to none”, you’re mistaking your own judgement for the actual probability of things. E.g.

I think Morata is slightly better than Lukaku. Not only do last year's numbers in terms of goals per game bear that out, but the numbers were accrued whilst Morata was largely a sub. Give him a whole year as the main starter and he will be become one of the world's elite strikers. 35-40 goals should be his target.

Using that logic, if Giroud was the main striker for Arsenal he'd be a 30+ player. His goals per minute ratio last season in the Premier League was a goal every 100 minutes and he started just 11 games. Morata scored a goal every 89 minutes and started 14 league games. So Morata was slightly better in a much more productive team.

We've already seen with Giroud as a starter that it's not quite that simple for all sorts of reasons.

Fancy a $100 bet that Morata doesn't score 35+?

He may not reach 35 depending on circumstances (injuries/suspensions etc), but the quality is definitely there.

Giroud is a completely irrelevant matter here.

Ok, let's put a tighter criteria on it. I bet you that if he starts at least 30 league games, he won't score 30+ league goals. That removes the risk of it being influenced by external factors.

Giroud is an example that extrapolating a bit-part player's goals per minute ratio to the entire season will produce a false impression. You can look at someone like Chicharito as another example of a player who that argument was put forward for, and was subsequently disproven. Do you agree?

The only argument I made in this thread was the one which you either ignored or dismissed, with no explanation for why. The idea that a prolific supersub = an elite goalscorer when played regularly has been made and disproven for years. There's no point in making the argument again when you've got reason for not engaging in it.

That's not really a cogent argument though. There is nothing to suggest a player who was used more as a sub for one season doesn't have the quality to replicate the same performances when played as a starter. The quality is still there irrespective of whether the manager chooses to utilize it. What is important is the results, not whether or not they were achieved as a starter or sub since that is something the player has no control over.

Other than the many, obvious, examples of when that has happened with other players.

You determine yourself you have a high probability of being right.

It speaks to the psychology of not wanting to back down in a debate to avoid being outed as wrong. My point is that if you know you are right, or have a high probability of being right, then you are incentivized to continue debating since you are well prepared to defend your position without the risk of being wrong.

You think other people’s views that contradict yours, with evidence, are nonsensical.

I don't care what others think. Just stating my opinion of the player and defending it against non-sensical views that oppose mine. Its what we do here.

And you think they can only come to these conclusions because they must be driven by some emotional agenda, because of course, you know you’re right.

Its the jilted lover syndrome

There’s no obsession with goals. The only reason they are brought up is because folks tend to brush off the importance of goals (something we’ve sorely lacked in recent years) as a way to move the goal posts in support of their anti-Ronaldo arguments.

As for he makes his teams worse, the hand fun of CLs his teams have won over the years would seem to not line up with this taking point.

Assessing probabilities in an objective way isn’t really your strong suit, at least on this subject.

 

[worldinmotion66]

Fecking hell, he thinks he shouldn't have a pay cut even though he signed a contract that stated he would? What a travesty!! It's pretty clear that he's not moved clubs because the money isn't big enough for him, which at his age and with his wealth is absolutely pathetic.

That said, there's some serious revisionism going on in this thread. I don't remember anyone saying this stuff during his last years at Real Madrid.

We're stuck with him now, and we have to use him. I'd bite your hands off for a top four finish this season, I can see it being a real shitshow. Gotta feel for ten hag, hope he's strong enough to stick to his principles and bare the weight of the media when it isn't working.

 

[Tibs]

Why isn't he just massively reducing his wage demands? He doesn't even need the money.

He could sign for any club in the world for fifty grand a week - if he gets his personal terms sorted we will let him for cheap/free I reckon.

 

[moses]

Why isn't he just massively reducing his wage demands? He doesn't even need the money.

He could sign for any club in the world for fifty grand a week - if he gets his personal terms sorted we will let him for cheap/free I reckon.

At that level of earning, where you don't need the money, it's about the status of earning top dollar. We have made money some sort of weird end game in itself, its no longer a means to an end. Its the end itself.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Worth pointing out that you often dramatically overstate the certainty of your own opinions on things, particularly when extrapolating goal returns from small samples to the full sample. When you say the chances are “slim to none”, you’re mistaking your own judgement for the actual probability of things. E.g.









You determine yourself you have a high probability of being right.

You think other people’s views that contradict yours, with evidence, are nonsensical.

And you think they can only come to these conclusions because they must be driven by some emotional agenda, because of course, you know you’re right.


Assessing probabilities in an objective way isn’t really your strong suit, at least on this subject.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Why isn't he just massively reducing his wage demands? He doesn't even need the money.

He could sign for any club in the world for fifty grand a week - if he gets his personal terms sorted we will let him for cheap/free I reckon.

Ego. This is a man who felt he should be exempt from the 25% wage cut

He's horrible and I would happily see us rip up his contract and let him walk for free

 

[DutchCruijff]

Absolutely nobody rational is going to take him in after his antics the past few weeks.

Massive toxic vibes.

 

[JB08]

Can we sack the cnut?

 

[shamans]

I covered that

his team at Real Madrid would have been seen as a failure had it not been for the fluky outlier of the three CLs between 2016 and 2018. And that is a great example of what I am saying, beause during that they got outplayed a lot and some of that is due to being one dimensional in setting up Ronaldo, as well as dodgy refereeing decisions. If it hadn't been for that run they'd have won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and 1 CL in 9 seasons of the two big trophies that Real Madrid care about.

You go on about the CL, but you overlook that they only won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and were dominated by barca who won 6 ergo they were a flukey cup team.

Even at Man United the first time, everyone had to set up their entire game to get the best out of Ronaldo. I just don't rate a guy that highly when he needs the rest of the team to behave like lackeys to get him his inflated goal stats. Messi isn't the same case as he actually is much more of a team player and makes his team-mates better, as did Pele, maradona etc. Ronaldo extracts the juice out of his team-mates, then they get the blame after his teams naturally fail because they have to set up to get him goals (Juventus, Man United this time, Portugal). It is fecking laughable how this utter cnut destabilises his team and his team-mates then everyone else gets the blamed pinned on them and he gets off with it scot-free. It's a thing where everyone is to blame, but he takes all the credit and they take all the blame, even his own PR team is trying to spin it this way with the 'Ronaldo fulfilled his part of the bargain, United did not'/ I see it happening for his time at Juve and I see it happening now at UNited on here. Admittedly while it was a problem in his prime he was more worth it then, but is he feck worth it now when he is completely and utterly past it.

Is it really that impressive averageing a goal a game when you take twice as many shots as anyone else in the league, as he consistently did in Spain? I'd argue he's just a volume law of averages player, the same way Fernandes tries 20 through balls a game, costs a counter attack with 19 but gets the last one right and imbeciles go on about how creative he is. If you keep doing something eventually you will get it right. People who wank over Ronaldo's goal stats totally overlook all the conditions and factors which have allowed it to happen, some of which I have covered in this post.

If you played football you'd know this - people absolutely HATE playing with players who are as selfish, arrogant, deluded and ungrateful on and off the pitch as Ronaldo He has never once acknowledged the massive role his team-mates play in his success. He's so clueless and deluded that he bought the nonsense that he won RM those CLs single handedly, then backed himself to do it at Juve. Well, we know how that turned out. And I predicted it too. Anyone with half a brain could see he was a poacher who would be nowhere near as effective without the Real Madrid chance creation set up behind him.

I would argue he's been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time - that his ability and reputation is amplfied from playing in a much more attacking era with greater disparity between the top clubs and the rest. He is by orders of magnitude a worse footballer (note I said FOOTBALLER, not GOALSCORER) than pele, Maradona, Cruyff, messi et al.

. And you'd have lost the 2009 CL Final no matter what, but this tit taking potshots from 30 yards constantly in the first ten minutes before Eto'o scored certainly didn't help. He is an individual player who only cares about his stats, and it's indulging this attitude that leads to the state United (second time) and Juve were in with him and 2 league titles in 9 seasons for Real Madrid. People go on about his success - his main successes have come when he has been a worse player (post 30). Goes to show that trophies are very misleading in analysing a player. I would also posit that Portugal would do better in tournaments (other than the one they fluked) if they didn't have this prick dominating, intimidating and demading from the others on and off the park and creating a complete attention seeking circus. They were more of a team when he went off injured in the 2016 Final. I maintain they'd have lost that final had he not got injured.

But you keep clinging to those three CLs in a row, where they weren't the best team in Europe in any of those three seasons, truth be told. They got there through sheer force of will and refereeing decisions, not because it is tactical genius to try to set up Ronaldo with 10 chances a game. But like I say,. keep clinging to it...

Overall, this guy has a serious personality issue (or issues) and he needs taking down a peg or 8. His atitude is out of control and making football a mockery and people like you simply encourage him and exacerbate the situation by defending him. it is celebrity worship. It is clear to me that you have a major soft spot for the guy, hence your constant irrational defence of him. yes I hate him, but I would argue it is much more normal to hate someone who is a cnut and a stranger than to love them.

I personally can't wait for the cnut to retire so we don't have to put up with his attention seeking and arrogance. Hopefully his fame dwindles and he becomes increasingly irrelevant as we and he age. I don't like Haaland as a player either but he is a goalscoring machine and not quite as unlikeable as Ronaldo, so hopefully he obliterates this greasy cock's goal records because goal records is all most shallow fans seem to put stock in.

Also, if there is 'no obsession with goals' why do you constantly quote his goal stats and use it as evidence that he isn't at fault?

by the way, in response to the guy saying Ronaldo was better technically years ago (I am out of post and can't quote him) I would say this.

I don't think he was, his all-round game has been appalling since at least 2014, and I have seen him make many technical mistakes in games as far back as his prime, much more than you'd see from Messi,. neymar, Lewandowski etc.

Fact is he's a great goalscorer, a power and pace merchant, athletic counter-attack player. That is why Man United love him, cos that was your style under Ferguson. He's mediocre technically though compared to even the best technicians of his generation, never mind of all time. Do you think he'd have been half the player if not for his athetic gifts (same goes for Haaland)?

In fact, I would say Ronaldo himself, is a microcosm of United as a club, and why ferguson loves him. He is counter-attacking, pace, power, speed, but lacking in technicial ability, and ability to press, and poor in tight spaces. This sums up Man United as a team throughout their modern history. Reling on counter attack and individualism, and being unable to play the Pep or Michels or Cruyff way. I have made the point before that Guardiola changed football again and fecked your club, the rot goes back to those two CL Finals they hammered you, because these days you need to have the ability to press, put together passing movements, be great technically and tactically. And as we can see, that has never been Man United's game, you are stuck playing 90s football. Ten Hag is trying to change that but can he change the entire ethos of a club? I highly doubt it. Plus 90 per cent of the idiots in your squad are technically and tactically deficient. You need to whole new squad almost. Ten Hag is not an idiot and he knows most of these players will never suffice.


By the way, I am not a Man United fan, quite the antithesis, which is why I have no problem slating the feck out of this utter cnut. I always hated him anyway, both as a player and as a person.

All the talk about Ronaldo "fanboys" but this is a car crash of a post.

A failure at Madrid apart from three flukey champions leagues? not even one three. Yeah they weren't even controlling games just counter attacking big teams

He joined Madrid in 2009 as a wide player and ended up top scorer in less than a decade.

I know he's been a cnut this season and not looking too good but talk about delusional posts.

 

[ilrm]

if it wasn't for the very flukey three CLs in a row

You can’t fluke something thrice.

 

[ilrm]

his team at Real Madrid would have been seen as a failure had it not been for the fluky outlier of the three CLs between 2016 and 2018.

But that can be said of anyone … Alex Ferguson’s career would have been disappointing to some if he hadn’t fluked 2 CL finals … the fact of the matter is that they won it thrice, with Ronaldo’s goals being a major factor.

 

[MrEleson]

I covered that

his team at Real Madrid would have been seen as a failure had it not been for the fluky outlier of the three CLs between 2016 and 2018. And that is a great example of what I am saying, beause during that they got outplayed a lot and some of that is due to being one dimensional in setting up Ronaldo, as well as dodgy refereeing decisions. If it hadn't been for that run they'd have won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and 1 CL in 9 seasons of the two big trophies that Real Madrid care about.

You go on about the CL, but you overlook that they only won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and were dominated by barca who won 6 ergo they were a flukey cup team.

Even at Man United the first time, everyone had to set up their entire game to get the best out of Ronaldo. I just don't rate a guy that highly when he needs the rest of the team to behave like lackeys to get him his inflated goal stats. Messi isn't the same case as he actually is much more of a team player and makes his team-mates better, as did Pele, maradona etc. Ronaldo extracts the juice out of his team-mates, then they get the blame after his teams naturally fail because they have to set up to get him goals (Juventus, Man United this time, Portugal). It is fecking laughable how this utter cnut destabilises his team and his team-mates then everyone else gets the blamed pinned on them and he gets off with it scot-free. It's a thing where everyone is to blame, but he takes all the credit and they take all the blame, even his own PR team is trying to spin it this way with the 'Ronaldo fulfilled his part of the bargain, United did not'/ I see it happening for his time at Juve and I see it happening now at UNited on here. Admittedly while it was a problem in his prime he was more worth it then, but is he feck worth it now when he is completely and utterly past it.

Is it really that impressive averageing a goal a game when you take twice as many shots as anyone else in the league, as he consistently did in Spain? I'd argue he's just a volume law of averages player, the same way Fernandes tries 20 through balls a game, costs a counter attack with 19 but gets the last one right and imbeciles go on about how creative he is. If you keep doing something eventually you will get it right. People who wank over Ronaldo's goal stats totally overlook all the conditions and factors which have allowed it to happen, some of which I have covered in this post.

If you played football you'd know this - people absolutely HATE playing with players who are as selfish, arrogant, deluded and ungrateful on and off the pitch as Ronaldo He has never once acknowledged the massive role his team-mates play in his success. He's so clueless and deluded that he bought the nonsense that he won RM those CLs single handedly, then backed himself to do it at Juve. Well, we know how that turned out. And I predicted it too. Anyone with half a brain could see he was a poacher who would be nowhere near as effective without the Real Madrid chance creation set up behind him.

I would argue he's been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time - that his ability and reputation is amplfied from playing in a much more attacking era with greater disparity between the top clubs and the rest. He is by orders of magnitude a worse footballer (note I said FOOTBALLER, not GOALSCORER) than pele, Maradona, Cruyff, messi et al.

. And you'd have lost the 2009 CL Final no matter what, but this tit taking potshots from 30 yards constantly in the first ten minutes before Eto'o scored certainly didn't help. He is an individual player who only cares about his stats, and it's indulging this attitude that leads to the state United (second time) and Juve were in with him and 2 league titles in 9 seasons for Real Madrid. People go on about his success - his main successes have come when he has been a worse player (post 30). Goes to show that trophies are very misleading in analysing a player. I would also posit that Portugal would do better in tournaments (other than the one they fluked) if they didn't have this prick dominating, intimidating and demading from the others on and off the park and creating a complete attention seeking circus. They were more of a team when he went off injured in the 2016 Final. I maintain they'd have lost that final had he not got injured.

But you keep clinging to those three CLs in a row, where they weren't the best team in Europe in any of those three seasons, truth be told. They got there through sheer force of will and refereeing decisions, not because it is tactical genius to try to set up Ronaldo with 10 chances a game. But like I say,. keep clinging to it...

Overall, this guy has a serious personality issue (or issues) and he needs taking down a peg or 8. His atitude is out of control and making football a mockery and people like you simply encourage him and exacerbate the situation by defending him. it is celebrity worship. It is clear to me that you have a major soft spot for the guy, hence your constant irrational defence of him. yes I hate him, but I would argue it is much more normal to hate someone who is a cnut and a stranger than to love them.

I personally can't wait for the cnut to retire so we don't have to put up with his attention seeking and arrogance. Hopefully his fame dwindles and he becomes increasingly irrelevant as we and he age. I don't like Haaland as a player either but he is a goalscoring machine and not quite as unlikeable as Ronaldo, so hopefully he obliterates this greasy cock's goal records because goal records is all most shallow fans seem to put stock in.

Also, if there is 'no obsession with goals' why do you constantly quote his goal stats and use it as evidence that he isn't at fault?

by the way, in response to the guy saying Ronaldo was better technically years ago (I am out of post and can't quote him) I would say this.

I don't think he was, his all-round game has been appalling since at least 2014, and I have seen him make many technical mistakes in games as far back as his prime, much more than you'd see from Messi,. neymar, Lewandowski etc.

Fact is he's a great goalscorer, a power and pace merchant, athletic counter-attack player. That is why Man United love him, cos that was your style under Ferguson. He's mediocre technically though compared to even the best technicians of his generation, never mind of all time. Do you think he'd have been half the player if not for his athetic gifts (same goes for Haaland)?

In fact, I would say Ronaldo himself, is a microcosm of United as a club, and why ferguson loves him. He is counter-attacking, pace, power, speed, but lacking in technicial ability, and ability to press, and poor in tight spaces. This sums up Man United as a team throughout their modern history. Reling on counter attack and individualism, and being unable to play the Pep or Michels or Cruyff way. I have made the point before that Guardiola changed football again and fecked your club, the rot goes back to those two CL Finals they hammered you, because these days you need to have the ability to press, put together passing movements, be great technically and tactically. And as we can see, that has never been Man United's game, you are stuck playing 90s football. Ten Hag is trying to change that but can he change the entire ethos of a club? I highly doubt it. Plus 90 per cent of the idiots in your squad are technically and tactically deficient. You need to whole new squad almost. Ten Hag is not an idiot and he knows most of these players will never suffice.


By the way, I am not a Man United fan, quite the antithesis, which is why I have no problem slating the feck out of this utter cnut. I always hated him anyway, both as a player and as a person.

I ain’t reading all that but I’m happy for you

Or sorry that happened.

 

[Reapersoul20]

I covered that

his team at Real Madrid would have been seen as a failure had it not been for the fluky outlier of the three CLs between 2016 and 2018. And that is a great example of what I am saying, beause during that they got outplayed a lot and some of that is due to being one dimensional in setting up Ronaldo, as well as dodgy refereeing decisions. If it hadn't been for that run they'd have won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and 1 CL in 9 seasons of the two big trophies that Real Madrid care about.

You go on about the CL, but you overlook that they only won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and were dominated by barca who won 6 ergo they were a flukey cup team.

Even at Man United the first time, everyone had to set up their entire game to get the best out of Ronaldo. I just don't rate a guy that highly when he needs the rest of the team to behave like lackeys to get him his inflated goal stats. Messi isn't the same case as he actually is much more of a team player and makes his team-mates better, as did Pele, maradona etc. Ronaldo extracts the juice out of his team-mates, then they get the blame after his teams naturally fail because they have to set up to get him goals (Juventus, Man United this time, Portugal). It is fecking laughable how this utter cnut destabilises his team and his team-mates then everyone else gets the blamed pinned on them and he gets off with it scot-free. It's a thing where everyone is to blame, but he takes all the credit and they take all the blame, even his own PR team is trying to spin it this way with the 'Ronaldo fulfilled his part of the bargain, United did not'/ I see it happening for his time at Juve and I see it happening now at UNited on here. Admittedly while it was a problem in his prime he was more worth it then, but is he feck worth it now when he is completely and utterly past it.

Is it really that impressive averageing a goal a game when you take twice as many shots as anyone else in the league, as he consistently did in Spain? I'd argue he's just a volume law of averages player, the same way Fernandes tries 20 through balls a game, costs a counter attack with 19 but gets the last one right and imbeciles go on about how creative he is. If you keep doing something eventually you will get it right. People who wank over Ronaldo's goal stats totally overlook all the conditions and factors which have allowed it to happen, some of which I have covered in this post.

If you played football you'd know this - people absolutely HATE playing with players who are as selfish, arrogant, deluded and ungrateful on and off the pitch as Ronaldo He has never once acknowledged the massive role his team-mates play in his success. He's so clueless and deluded that he bought the nonsense that he won RM those CLs single handedly, then backed himself to do it at Juve. Well, we know how that turned out. And I predicted it too. Anyone with half a brain could see he was a poacher who would be nowhere near as effective without the Real Madrid chance creation set up behind him.

I would argue he's been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time - that his ability and reputation is amplfied from playing in a much more attacking era with greater disparity between the top clubs and the rest. He is by orders of magnitude a worse footballer (note I said FOOTBALLER, not GOALSCORER) than pele, Maradona, Cruyff, messi et al.

. And you'd have lost the 2009 CL Final no matter what, but this tit taking potshots from 30 yards constantly in the first ten minutes before Eto'o scored certainly didn't help. He is an individual player who only cares about his stats, and it's indulging this attitude that leads to the state United (second time) and Juve were in with him and 2 league titles in 9 seasons for Real Madrid. People go on about his success - his main successes have come when he has been a worse player (post 30). Goes to show that trophies are very misleading in analysing a player. I would also posit that Portugal would do better in tournaments (other than the one they fluked) if they didn't have this prick dominating, intimidating and demading from the others on and off the park and creating a complete attention seeking circus. They were more of a team when he went off injured in the 2016 Final. I maintain they'd have lost that final had he not got injured.

But you keep clinging to those three CLs in a row, where they weren't the best team in Europe in any of those three seasons, truth be told. They got there through sheer force of will and refereeing decisions, not because it is tactical genius to try to set up Ronaldo with 10 chances a game. But like I say,. keep clinging to it...

Overall, this guy has a serious personality issue (or issues) and he needs taking down a peg or 8. His atitude is out of control and making football a mockery and people like you simply encourage him and exacerbate the situation by defending him. it is celebrity worship. It is clear to me that you have a major soft spot for the guy, hence your constant irrational defence of him. yes I hate him, but I would argue it is much more normal to hate someone who is a cnut and a stranger than to love them.

I personally can't wait for the cnut to retire so we don't have to put up with his attention seeking and arrogance. Hopefully his fame dwindles and he becomes increasingly irrelevant as we and he age. I don't like Haaland as a player either but he is a goalscoring machine and not quite as unlikeable as Ronaldo, so hopefully he obliterates this greasy cock's goal records because goal records is all most shallow fans seem to put stock in.

Also, if there is 'no obsession with goals' why do you constantly quote his goal stats and use it as evidence that he isn't at fault?

by the way, in response to the guy saying Ronaldo was better technically years ago (I am out of post and can't quote him) I would say this.

I don't think he was, his all-round game has been appalling since at least 2014, and I have seen him make many technical mistakes in games as far back as his prime, much more than you'd see from Messi,. neymar, Lewandowski etc.

Fact is he's a great goalscorer, a power and pace merchant, athletic counter-attack player. That is why Man United love him, cos that was your style under Ferguson. He's mediocre technically though compared to even the best technicians of his generation, never mind of all time. Do you think he'd have been half the player if not for his athetic gifts (same goes for Haaland)?

In fact, I would say Ronaldo himself, is a microcosm of United as a club, and why ferguson loves him. He is counter-attacking, pace, power, speed, but lacking in technicial ability, and ability to press, and poor in tight spaces. This sums up Man United as a team throughout their modern history. Reling on counter attack and individualism, and being unable to play the Pep or Michels or Cruyff way. I have made the point before that Guardiola changed football again and fecked your club, the rot goes back to those two CL Finals they hammered you, because these days you need to have the ability to press, put together passing movements, be great technically and tactically. And as we can see, that has never been Man United's game, you are stuck playing 90s football. Ten Hag is trying to change that but can he change the entire ethos of a club? I highly doubt it. Plus 90 per cent of the idiots in your squad are technically and tactically deficient. You need to whole new squad almost. Ten Hag is not an idiot and he knows most of these players will never suffice.


By the way, I am not a Man United fan, quite the antithesis, which is why I have no problem slating the feck out of this utter cnut. I always hated him anyway, both as a player and as a person.

This post gives me serious Terry Davis vibes.

 

[GinobiliTheGOAT]

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Being forced to say Ronaldo is his favorite player

 

[AndySmith1990]

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Being forced to say Ronaldo is his favorite player

I wonder if someone is forcing @MrEleson to make all those Ronaldo propaganda posts too

 

[croadyman]

Striker signing fully hinges on Ronaldo leaving

 

[Ted Lasso]

I am a slave, says Ronaldo as he pushes for Madrid move @ Guardian




Ronaldo: I am a slave @ Independent



He never gave a flying feck about Man Utd it was always about him and him only.

c'mon man, stop reposting lies from trash UK tabloids. Sepp Blatter used those words. Ronaldo did not.

I forget who I was saying this to earlier, but it shows the class of fans that they barely made a peep about Ronaldo's sexual assault case when he re-joined us but are all bent up that he doesn't want to waste his last years in the Europa league.

 

[GifLord]

c'mon man, stop reposting lies from trash UK tabloids. Sepp Blatter used those words. Ronaldo did not.

I forget who I was saying this to earlier, but it shows the class of fans that they barely made a peep about Ronaldo's sexual assault case when he re-joined us but are all bent up that he doesn't want to waste his last years in the Europa league.

Ronaldo confirmed Blatters words in an interview on Portugese tv channel.
He could have easily said no i'm no slave.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

but it shows the class of fans that they barely made a peep about Ronaldo's sexual assault case when he re-joined us but are all bent up that he doesn't want to waste his last years in the Europa league

Or it shows that people focus more on Manchester United related matters on a Manchester United forum.

Accusing people of not caring about rape because they don't like a player as much as you is awful honestly.

 

[Ted Lasso]

Ronaldo confirmed Blatters words in an interview on Portugese tv channel.
He could have easily said no i'm no slave.

There is a lot of interpretation and extrapolation of what Ronaldo "agreed" with exactly. Was it the sentiment it was it the exact language which was also said in general about players.

It's just getting ridiculous how often that one line is being falsely misappropriated to make a statement.

 

[Ted Lasso]

Or it shows that people focus more on Manchester United related matters on a Manchester United forum.

Accusing people of not caring about rape because they don't like a player as much as you is awful honestly.

Actually it's an incredible apt thing to bring up. The word Slavery is constantly brought up as cheap shot. Something incredibly serious being used as a common insult in a debate against a player who never even used the word.

So like the sexual assault, it's again telling of the headspace of the posters and fans bangin on the slavery door. They don't care about the awful history there, just that some player didn't want to stay at their club forever and ever.

 

[GifLord]

Actually it's an incredible apt thing to bring up. The word Slavery is constantly brought up as cheap shot. Something incredibly serious being used as a common insult in a debate against a player who never even used the word.

So like the sexual assault, it's again telling of the headspace of the posters and fans bangin on the slavery door. They don't care about the awful history there, just that some player didn't want to stay at their club forever and ever.

He said that MODERN FOOTBALLERS ARE LIKE SLAVES because UTD didn't let him join Real Madrid in 2008.

 

[Ted Lasso]

He said that MODERN FOOTBALLERS ARE LIKE SLAVES because UTD didn't let him join Real Madrid in 2008.

Sepp Blatter said that.

 

[The Corinthian]

Worth pointing out that you often dramatically overstate the certainty of your own opinions on things, particularly when extrapolating goal returns from small samples to the full sample. When you say the chances are “slim to none”, you’re mistaking your own judgement for the actual probability of things. E.g.









You determine yourself you have a high probability of being right.

You think other people’s views that contradict yours, with evidence, are nonsensical.

And you think they can only come to these conclusions because they must be driven by some emotional agenda, because of course, you know you’re right.


Assessing probabilities in an objective way isn’t really your strong suit, at least on this subject.

Wow, what an excellent post.

 

[GifLord]

Sepp Blatter said that.

And Ronaldo said it was true because he was a whiny pos who only cares about himself.

 

[Ted Lasso]

And Ronaldo said it was true because he was a whiny pos who only cares about himself.

Ronaldo is a whiny pos who only cares about himself.

But stop spreading lies that he said he was a slave. in fact, it would be great if people stopped using freaking slavery as some throwaround word and thing because Ronaldo is a brat.

A million other reasons to hate him and this is the point that keeps coming up. Just like Sepp Blatter, you all have no respect for what actually went on with slavery. You're all using it as a tool just the same.

 

[RacingClub]

Wow, what an excellent post.

It looks like it was 5 years in the making I didn't expect to read something like that in here.

 

[The Corinthian]

It looks like it was 5 years in the making I didn't expect to read something like that in here.

it’s a masterful take down.

 

[DrRodo]

Worth pointing out that you often dramatically overstate the certainty of your own opinions on things, particularly when extrapolating goal returns from small samples to the full sample. When you say the chances are “slim to none”, you’re mistaking your own judgement for the actual probability of things. E.g.









You determine yourself you have a high probability of being right.

You think other people’s views that contradict yours, with evidence, are nonsensical.

And you think they can only come to these conclusions because they must be driven by some emotional agenda, because of course, you know you’re right.


Assessing probabilities in an objective way isn’t really your strong suit, at least on this subject.

Someone is obsessed with raoul it seems, and with the caf

 

[Raoul]

Someone is obsessed with raoul it seems, and with the caf

I don't think he's obsessed at all. Just a good guy making his views known on the internet.

 

[In Rainbows]

Ronaldo is a whiny pos who only cares about himself.

But stop spreading lies that he said he was a slave. in fact, it would be great if people stopped using freaking slavery as some throwaround word and thing because Ronaldo is a brat.

A million other reasons to hate him and this is the point that keeps coming up. Just like Sepp Blatter, you all have no respect for what actually went on with slavery. You're all using it as a tool just the same.

But agreeing with the sentiment is practically the same thing as saying it.

Edit: Oh I see. You're saying that he could have agreed with the idea of players being allowed to move more freely, but not the term slavery.

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

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Being forced to say Ronaldo is his favorite player

Pathetic but this isn't exactly new He freaked out at Marcelo because Marcelo dared to call the other guy a better player. The local best writers talked about a meeting with the hierarchy. In the very next interview that Marcelo gave out publically, he was towing the line and mollifying by calling him the best.

He's so thin skinned that unless his teammates call him the best, the harmony of the dressing room would be jeapdordized.

 

[EtH]

Wish I could fluke it with Taylor Swift thrice.

 

[Brwned]

Someone is obsessed with raoul it seems, and with the caf

Oh yeah, there was a time when I was obsessed with the car. 50k posts gives that one away! But you‘re about 5 years’ too late on that one. Now I just find the psychology of internet discussions and the personas we take on in them to be an amusing curiosity. I don’t spend much time thinking about it, but when it pops up it’s worth probing every now and then.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

I covered that

his team at Real Madrid would have been seen as a failure had it not been for the fluky outlier of the three CLs between 2016 and 2018. And that is a great example of what I am saying, beause during that they got outplayed a lot and some of that is due to being one dimensional in setting up Ronaldo, as well as dodgy refereeing decisions. If it hadn't been for that run they'd have won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and 1 CL in 9 seasons of the two big trophies that Real Madrid care about.

You go on about the CL, but you overlook that they only won 2 ligas in 9 seasons and were dominated by barca who won 6 ergo they were a flukey cup team.

Even at Man United the first time, everyone had to set up their entire game to get the best out of Ronaldo. I just don't rate a guy that highly when he needs the rest of the team to behave like lackeys to get him his inflated goal stats. Messi isn't the same case as he actually is much more of a team player and makes his team-mates better, as did Pele, maradona etc. Ronaldo extracts the juice out of his team-mates, then they get the blame after his teams naturally fail because they have to set up to get him goals (Juventus, Man United this time, Portugal). It is fecking laughable how this utter cnut destabilises his team and his team-mates then everyone else gets the blamed pinned on them and he gets off with it scot-free. It's a thing where everyone is to blame, but he takes all the credit and they take all the blame, even his own PR team is trying to spin it this way with the 'Ronaldo fulfilled his part of the bargain, United did not'/ I see it happening for his time at Juve and I see it happening now at UNited on here. Admittedly while it was a problem in his prime he was more worth it then, but is he feck worth it now when he is completely and utterly past it.

Is it really that impressive averageing a goal a game when you take twice as many shots as anyone else in the league, as he consistently did in Spain? I'd argue he's just a volume law of averages player, the same way Fernandes tries 20 through balls a game, costs a counter attack with 19 but gets the last one right and imbeciles go on about how creative he is. If you keep doing something eventually you will get it right. People who wank over Ronaldo's goal stats totally overlook all the conditions and factors which have allowed it to happen, some of which I have covered in this post.

If you played football you'd know this - people absolutely HATE playing with players who are as selfish, arrogant, deluded and ungrateful on and off the pitch as Ronaldo He has never once acknowledged the massive role his team-mates play in his success. He's so clueless and deluded that he bought the nonsense that he won RM those CLs single handedly, then backed himself to do it at Juve. Well, we know how that turned out. And I predicted it too. Anyone with half a brain could see he was a poacher who would be nowhere near as effective without the Real Madrid chance creation set up behind him.

I would argue he's been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time - that his ability and reputation is amplfied from playing in a much more attacking era with greater disparity between the top clubs and the rest. He is by orders of magnitude a worse footballer (note I said FOOTBALLER, not GOALSCORER) than pele, Maradona, Cruyff, messi et al.

. And you'd have lost the 2009 CL Final no matter what, but this tit taking potshots from 30 yards constantly in the first ten minutes before Eto'o scored certainly didn't help. He is an individual player who only cares about his stats, and it's indulging this attitude that leads to the state United (second time) and Juve were in with him and 2 league titles in 9 seasons for Real Madrid. People go on about his success - his main successes have come when he has been a worse player (post 30). Goes to show that trophies are very misleading in analysing a player. I would also posit that Portugal would do better in tournaments (other than the one they fluked) if they didn't have this prick dominating, intimidating and demading from the others on and off the park and creating a complete attention seeking circus. They were more of a team when he went off injured in the 2016 Final. I maintain they'd have lost that final had he not got injured.

But you keep clinging to those three CLs in a row, where they weren't the best team in Europe in any of those three seasons, truth be told. They got there through sheer force of will and refereeing decisions, not because it is tactical genius to try to set up Ronaldo with 10 chances a game. But like I say,. keep clinging to it...

Overall, this guy has a serious personality issue (or issues) and he needs taking down a peg or 8. His atitude is out of control and making football a mockery and people like you simply encourage him and exacerbate the situation by defending him. it is celebrity worship. It is clear to me that you have a major soft spot for the guy, hence your constant irrational defence of him. yes I hate him, but I would argue it is much more normal to hate someone who is a cnut and a stranger than to love them.

I personally can't wait for the cnut to retire so we don't have to put up with his attention seeking and arrogance. Hopefully his fame dwindles and he becomes increasingly irrelevant as we and he age. I don't like Haaland as a player either but he is a goalscoring machine and not quite as unlikeable as Ronaldo, so hopefully he obliterates this greasy cock's goal records because goal records is all most shallow fans seem to put stock in.

Also, if there is 'no obsession with goals' why do you constantly quote his goal stats and use it as evidence that he isn't at fault?

by the way, in response to the guy saying Ronaldo was better technically years ago (I am out of post and can't quote him) I would say this.

I don't think he was, his all-round game has been appalling since at least 2014, and I have seen him make many technical mistakes in games as far back as his prime, much more than you'd see from Messi,. neymar, Lewandowski etc.

Fact is he's a great goalscorer, a power and pace merchant, athletic counter-attack player. That is why Man United love him, cos that was your style under Ferguson. He's mediocre technically though compared to even the best technicians of his generation, never mind of all time. Do you think he'd have been half the player if not for his athetic gifts (same goes for Haaland)?

In fact, I would say Ronaldo himself, is a microcosm of United as a club, and why ferguson loves him. He is counter-attacking, pace, power, speed, but lacking in technicial ability, and ability to press, and poor in tight spaces. This sums up Man United as a team throughout their modern history. Reling on counter attack and individualism, and being unable to play the Pep or Michels or Cruyff way. I have made the point before that Guardiola changed football again and fecked your club, the rot goes back to those two CL Finals they hammered you, because these days you need to have the ability to press, put together passing movements, be great technically and tactically. And as we can see, that has never been Man United's game, you are stuck playing 90s football. Ten Hag is trying to change that but can he change the entire ethos of a club? I highly doubt it. Plus 90 per cent of the idiots in your squad are technically and tactically deficient. You need to whole new squad almost. Ten Hag is not an idiot and he knows most of these players will never suffice.


By the way, I am not a Man United fan, quite the antithesis, which is why I have no problem slating the feck out of this utter cnut. I always hated him anyway, both as a player and as a person.

All that effort to type out an entire essay, just to lose all credibility in that first sentence. And to end it with you admitting you actually hate the guy.

 

[reelworld]

Worth pointing out that you often dramatically overstate the certainty of your own opinions on things, particularly when extrapolating goal returns from small samples to the full sample. When you say the chances are “slim to none”, you’re mistaking your own judgement for the actual probability of things. E.g.









You determine yourself you have a high probability of being right.

You think other people’s views that contradict yours, with evidence, are nonsensical.

And you think they can only come to these conclusions because they must be driven by some emotional agenda, because of course, you know you’re right.


Assessing probabilities in an objective way isn’t really your strong suit, at least on this subject.

Brilliant.
I'm pretty sure Raoul is Ben Shapiro because of this post

 

[RedRonaldo]

Ronaldo played for 9 years for a team that sought to maximise his output. In a similar vein, both Haaland and Mbappe will have that role at their respective clubs for at least the next 5-7 years. There’s every chance that both these players could be 27/28 years old and have 80+ CL goals. If they get to that position, and they remain injury free, I can see them ending up with 150ish. Haaland especially can adapt his game and end up somewhere like Bayern and have a similar output to Lewadowski.

I think it’s possible of them to achieve that, given the fact they are still young and will play as main talisman in super team. But the hardest part is to maintain high level of consistency/longevity/fitness over the years, which is super rare in football. Take last season for example, Haaland could only score 3 goals in CL due to injuries. There are going to be some odd years for them not scoring many, which might stop them for reaching such figure.