Pay what we have to pay for him to Juve and leave. Or just do not show up, pay all the penalties due and leave.
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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Such a comprehensive and accurate summary, and that from a Werder fan. Deserves props.
An important aspect I'd like to add is his conduct towards his current employer. To say this bizarre Circus doesn't help to make himself attractive for a club like Bayern would be the understatement of the century.
That is his ambition, but unfortunately for him, it does not match reality. United failed on that front too, not qualifying for CL because they didn't earn it for this season.
The fact that he and Mendes have their demands, and it's much more than just playing for a CL team, but it's also wages, having to have the team adapt to him rather than vice versa, and him needing/wanting to play as much as possible which has shown to have a negative impact throughout a season since if he's not scoring, his impact is marginal since his out of possession metrics and attributes are very poor.
I’m just telling you how it works cause I remember pogba having a similar episode. You’re too hung up about him being defended or not defended.
I can only see you don’t understand football is a team sports. It’s not about Martial vs. VVD, but manutd as a team vs. Pool as a team.
If you don’t really see why Martial will be the perfect player for ETH system, I can’t help. Our real problem is the squad depth and alternative options in front. Also, team harmony and togetherness are more than critical than anything else.
He's 15 goals ahead of Messi in the champions league, and Messi doesn't seem interested at all in those records anyway, and has stated he wants to play into his forties. If he stayed at United it's one season- just ONE- away from the competition. He'll have that record for a long time regardless. It's all very silly.
Anyway, his fall from grace this summer has been spectacular. Really does seem that no one wants him, unless there's something we don't know about going on.
Hardly anyone wanted him last summer either until we got worried about him going to City. Too many well run clubs about these days
If Ronaldo is so concerned about getting a few more champions league goals then it seems crazy to me that he didn’t put something in his United contract about being released or available for a nominal fee if we didn’t qualify! I’d have thought Mendes should have been all over that!
Apologies if I read your post the wrong way.
You could say this for almost every player like Kane who commits to a long term deal, with no release clauses.
When the money is right, they don't seem to give it a second's thought.
He’s 37 and still scoring 24 goals in 37 apps across the EPL and CL
those are phenomenal numbers still for a 37 year old in the toughest league and competition in world football
he clears believes and has proven he can still do it at the highest of levels still
His age and superstardom is what’s going against him
no proper top team wants to build around a 37 year old no matter how gifted and fit he still is
and although we hear about possible wages cuts, that will most likely be too an extent, halving his wages for example, and your still looking at £250k a week which is a big big wage still, especially for a 37 year old, outside the freaks of football there are a lot of top top players much younger on no where near that “halved wage”
you’ve then got his arrogance, we hear he’s difficult to manage because of his status, his brand, his name, wether we like it or not he is bigger than most Clubs!!
he also wants to play every match no doubt or near enough, and with what he achieved last year stats wise you can’t blame him, but he’s too old and too much of a superstar to be seen as worth it with regards to fitting in anywhere unless he was happy too be a bit Part player and I just don’t think he can accept that
I think it’s a very bizarre position to be in, it’s like agism and his own name is going against him which seems very wrong but also understandable
those are phenomenal numbers still for a 37 year old in the toughest league and competition in world football
he clears believes and has proven he can still do it at the highest of levels still
His age and superstardom is what’s going against him
no proper top team wants to build around a 37 year old no matter how gifted and fit he still is
and although we hear about possible wages cuts, that will most likely be too an extent, halving his wages for example, and your still looking at £250k a week which is a big big wage still, especially for a 37 year old, outside the freaks of football there are a lot of top top players much younger on no where near that “halved wage”
you’ve then got his arrogance, we hear he’s difficult to manage because of his status, his brand, his name, wether we like it or not he is bigger than most Clubs!!
he also wants to play every match no doubt or near enough, and with what he achieved last year stats wise you can’t blame him, but he’s too old and too much of a superstar to be seen as worth it with regards to fitting in anywhere unless he was happy too be a bit Part player and I just don’t think he can accept that
I think it’s a very bizarre position to be in, it’s like agism and his own name is going against him which seems very wrong but also understandable
I just came on here and felt like this thread is a de ja vu from 2007 and 2008.
The Ronaldo circus of he wants to go is in full swing. Only difference this time is that even the most faithful Ronaldo fan can't say that it's in the interest of the club to keep him!
The Ronaldo circus of he wants to go is in full swing. Only difference this time is that even the most faithful Ronaldo fan can't say that it's in the interest of the club to keep him!
In hindsight Messi was clever to choose psg, he is made there, big wage, will always get champions league every season he is there, can get away with strolling around in ligue 1 games without him being exposed as holding the team back whilst they continue to collect league title trophies/winner medals every year.
How do the fans react to Ronaldo in the stadium if he stays? Knowing full well he wants to leave but he had no choice to stay because no one wants him. Will he still give us 100%? I’m not sure… we can’t deal with his sulking during the season and causing problems in the dressing room, not what the new manager needs during his first season.
I cant really be angry at Ronaldo.
1. He hasn’t said anything negative about us in the press, not like Pogba who disrespects us via a brother, agent, etc.
2. We sucked big time last season, Ronaldo was one of the few who kept the level up (at age 37). What exactly does he owe us?
3) I can understand if he doesn’t want to waste his last years being part of a rebuild. He’s in contention for being the G.O.A.T. - why ruin it all when you can break records.
4). He doesn’t fit our new setup and there’s less drama/more team without him (like the last time around, when he left). Bruno turned different when he came, he should be the talismanic figure again.
1. He hasn’t said anything negative about us in the press, not like Pogba who disrespects us via a brother, agent, etc.
2. We sucked big time last season, Ronaldo was one of the few who kept the level up (at age 37). What exactly does he owe us?
3) I can understand if he doesn’t want to waste his last years being part of a rebuild. He’s in contention for being the G.O.A.T. - why ruin it all when you can break records.
4). He doesn’t fit our new setup and there’s less drama/more team without him (like the last time around, when he left). Bruno turned different when he came, he should be the talismanic figure again.
While I still half hope it all sort of works out, he stays, and is part of a really good team, the only thing that really matters is the team performance.
Lesser players making for a greater overall output is fine.
We just need to get it done asap.
Clearly our massive issue is letting him go means we're putting all our hopes on a Rashy-Martial-Sancho combo, which has some nice pace and movement in theory, and has smashed a few half interested opponents into the ground pre season, but has it all to prove.
Yes you could put Eriksen or Bruno in one of their positions every so often, but we're criminally weak in those positions. We'd be a bit lacking if we kept Ronaldo still, let alone letting him go.
If Ronaldo goes, De Jong doesn't come and no other forwards arrive, we could be looking back on this window as one of the worst we've had.
Agreed.
The man is an absolute cnut, its really rather sad so many thought he has some sort of special affinity with us.
If he is willing to cancel his contract we should be all over it. Regardless of the hole it would leave in our striker options getting rid of him would do a lot for our team unity
If he is willing to cancel his contract we should be all over it. Regardless of the hole it would leave in our striker options getting rid of him would do a lot for our team unity
He wants to leave, ok i can understand his desire to play in the CL. But where is the buyer? I mean you are The Ronaldo, it would be a shame if you leave on a low transfer fee. Only solution is to stay put and play for United. But that will put a comma to our rebuild again.
Excellent post. Expecting to read from you more.
If he wants to leave to play in the CL and extend his CL goal scoring record, he can go really, no hard feelings. He has his own ambitions, we as a club have our ambitions. I kinda understand him, but please don't join Chelsea. They are our direct rivals and competing for that 4th spot next season. No need to strengthen our competition.
I am not sure anyone on here knows the true details of what is going on. If he truthfully wants CL football, why did he state that at the end of the season and not weeks after? If he wants to leave as he has had to take a pay cut when he is reportedly already worth $1 billion, then he has lost any Kudos and status in my eyes that he ever had, which is a lot. Ironically, no other team seems to want the Ronaldo show in their stadium and if he stays, expect some nauseating statement about having the club in his heart and all this talk of him wanting to leave was bollocks which we all know, will be bollocks. 8 days to kick off, sort it.
I have difficulty understanding this to be honest.
1. He literally had his agent market Ronaldo to all clubs who play in the champions league, didn't show up for pre-season, and showed up with his agent on the day he returned back to the club. The only reason we are not the laughing stock of the Premier League is he made himself a bigger laughing stock by being rejected by every other club he whored himself to. Why is being better than Pogba any bar of measurement ffs?
2.. Yes he scored a bunch of goals but he had the entire team playing for him. I still remember the horror show matches when he couldn't score a goal if he played all night in a brothel. For a considerable stretch of matches, Ronaldo was very poor and he himself is not absolved of any blame from a shambles of a season last time. Threw strops while substituted, and running off to Portugal when he wasn't guaranteed to play are not signs of professionalism. What do you mean he owes us? He didn't play for charity for us, he was drawing a big fecking salary. What is this owing business you speak of?
3. We were far from challenging for honors under OGS and we didn't win a feck ton of trophies after Fergie. He signed up to be a part of a rebuild and now that he got a good coach, he doesn't want to be a part of rebuild anymore?
4. He doesn't have any offer in hand but wants to be released from a two-year contract he signed and he is still drawing wages from us. Granted that he may not suit our pressing style of play under ETH, but ETH maintains that he can play with Ronaldo. His job is to turn up for preseason even if he wants to engineer a move.
There are plenty of reasons to be angry at Ronaldo. Sure, there are posters who follow a particular player and no amount of sane arguments with people like MrEleson on this thread is going to achieve anything, but just don't expect regular fans of United not be angry at Ronaldo.
Unfortunately, goals scored by a 37yr old count as much as any other. And these 24 goals come at very high opportunity costs, tactically and financially. There are just too many other players, younger players who do more for less. And that is why he doesn't find a new club.
In which case, he is free to leave anyway.
The activity in this thread amazes me. I mean who cares at this point? Let him rot on the bench after his antics and get proper young and hungry strikers in. There's a Schick and a Sesko waiting for big clubs.
I’d be in
I don’t care how rich he is
I’d be stunned if he tore up a £25 million 1 year contract
People thinking he would because he’s minted and doesn’t need the money are deluded,
if he doesn’t need the money why pay him anything at all
I don’t care how rich he is
I’d be stunned if he tore up a £25 million 1 year contract
People thinking he would because he’s minted and doesn’t need the money are deluded,
if he doesn’t need the money why pay him anything at all
then you cleanly don’t recognise that VVD et Al weren’t there. If you don’t understand that martial wouldn’t have scored in a foot race with VVD I cannot help you. If you cannot see martial has never, I repeat never produced in 10 years the levels required then you’ve settled for mediocrity.
The rest isn’t part of the discussion
Well said, I agree.
It may sound weird but I actually think a huge reason for Ronaldo being so hardworking is because of his narcissm. Its an interesting motivating factor
Pellistri and Amad scored against the Liverpool starters and sent VVD to the shops in the process. Unless you want to now argue that Pellistri is better than Martial then I am afraid your argument does not hold much water.
This! People can throw stats around but they forget how fecking awful he was for periods last season. Many times he looked like a 37 year old player. Poor touches, poor timing, being outmuscled.
If he substantially lowers his wages, he will definitely find a CL club. Zlatan is making 1 million euros next season. Still plays for a massive club in Milan.
so, you only feel disrespected by words and not actions, interesting that you view the concept of respect differently from the rest of the world.. With his actions, he put United at the bottom of totem pole making a joke of himself..
Your team had 3 top-3 finishes and an FA Cup final & SF in the last 4 years before his arrival, don't underrate United too much.. What exactly does United owe him? United was the only team that fully opened its doors last year when he was being rejected left-right by the European elite again, maybe he should learn to show some respect to the team that made him and the only team that willingly pays his sky-high salary..
Ronaldo's intangibles were said to be among his main strengths like leadership, loves challenges BS.. It was fully revealed what sort of person he is, he is a narcisstic guy, doesn't have an inch of loyalty, is an egomaniac and ready to jump-ship when thing go sour for his personal gain.. I am glad that the true face of a fake (in terms of personality) player is revealed.. It is a crime against football to mention him as a great leader, mentality BS when you have the likes of Maldini, Totti, Del Piero etc. and many other legends from other nations.. So in that regard, his so-called intangibles BS argument evaporate. In terms of technique, talent, creativity, he was nowhere close to the other GOAT contenders..
I think those are all very fair concerns - On the other hand it’s a bit strange from the club to not look for a replacement and leaving it very late in the window - almost as if we didnt believe he actually wants to leave.
I can understand it from our perspective too, we have a contract and he should be able to fulfill that contract.
In answer to the other poster who quoted me, I just dont think Ronaldo has indirectly talked bad about us like Pogba - one thing is advocating for a move every other week during a season where football is played, and another is directly to tell the club you want out, and then try and find suitors during the main window when the season is over. (Seems to be none, so it has maybe backfired, we’ll see)
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I can’t believe he loves the CL more than United, to the point he’s willing to go literally anywhere for CL football. Weird guy.
Sporting Lisbon, makes sense. The prodigal son returns. It appears his priority is legacy in the premier club football competition. 2/3 seasons with Sporting he could theoretically add 15/20 to his record making it somewhat insurmountable. Also, playing in the Portuguese league he could conceivably hit the 1000 goal mark.
No, City were interested too, with Pep admiring him in public if I remember correctly. Then chose us in the end.
Btw, totally agree with his narcissistic side - he has controlled it to some extent here, but you can still see it when looking closely.
Also, to quote the other guy telling me off here, Ronaldo didnt originally come here to be part of a rebuild. We came 2nd, bought Varane+Cavani.. Bruno was great and we looked to be potentially challenging for titles when Ronaldo signed for us. That’s hardly the scenario now, hence I dont see him owing us. i dont buy the premise that we build our team solely around Ronaldo on purpose - albeit he didnt make us better as a team, but mostly worse.
Also with regards to the other poster quoting, it’s just weird fellow fans dictating how other fans should feel about a certain player. Im 35 years old, doing quite good on all fronts. I think I’m quite capable of having my own opinion and being entitled to that.
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