So much disdain in here for a great player who by all accounts seemed to be the only one in the team who gave a feck last season. His contribution and work ethic last year was without question the highest of all of our players who many have rightly pointed out “gave up”. But not Ronaldo. So, in my mind he has every right to search for options that will give him the opportunity to play at the highest level.
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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100%. Martial is looking good so far in pre-season but we all know he can just dip at any moment. Is McNeil old enough yet?
Come on Bayern, do the right thing and take him
100%. Martial is looking good so far in pre-season but we all know he can just dip at any moment. Is McNeil old enough yet?
Far too young and inexperienced, why we aren't going for Belotti on a free is mystifying
Because he isn't good.
Ronaldo seems to struggle accepting 'no means no'.
That's dark
Don't know if I'd call them that but DC United could definitely do with another striker.
So Ronaldo staying put.
So much for his fanboys wanting guaranteed success next season instead of wanting him to play for United.
So much for his fanboys wanting guaranteed success next season instead of wanting him to play for United.
'it's brutal'
They are already pivoting to 'was all speculation'
He may be doing alright personally, but it's the impact he has on the team around him. Beyond the money, I think this is the biggest reason why there appears to be little interest in him. In 2020-21, United scored 73 league goals. With Ronaldo, it dropped to 57. In 2017-18, Juve scored 86. With Ronaldo, it dropped to 70, 76, and 77. You can't pin that on him 100%, but it clearly becomes the Ronaldo show when he's in the team.
So he may bang a few goals in, but it's what he takes away from the team as a whole that is the issue.
That’s a random year to say considering he won a CL in 2018.
But if you follow that on, which you should for fair comparison, then, in 2021/22 without Ronaldo Juventus scored just 57 goals (the same as United) - 20 goals less than when Ronaldo was there scoring 29 league goals in 20/21, and got 8 points less. And finished trophyless. So they got worse without Ronaldo, not better - a stat that keeps being ignored by those picking out the stats that reflect negatively on Ronaldo.
Odd that Juve scored 20 goals fewer without him after he left, even with their expensive replacement.
He bangs in more than a ‘few goals’. He out worked many of his attacking team mates last season and was very likely our best outfield player. Many reasons why ‘you can’t pin it on him’ as the stats don’t point at him being the issue. Improve the midfield and our attacking play and he’ll score loads of goals.
i 100% understand his reasons for wanting to leave, he’s going to leave at the end of this season regardless and it’s 1 season of no champions league he can’t afford to miss at almost 38 years old.
Ronaldo is not coming to Sporting until he is at least 40. That’s just my opinion but As long as he can still score 25-30 in the big leagues he ain’t leaving.
So he hasn’t won a CL in 4 years, and in that times he’s been knocked out of the CL in the round of 16 three times and the quarter finals once. The team he originally left just won the CL with much of the same core players. Yet you say there’s no better player to sign when you want to win the Champions League.
He’s still been performing in the CL. Dirt test in Juve scored all their goals in the KO round. Second year nearly carried them back vsLyon and then vs Porto a non factor.
Hell even last season United would have got last place in their group without him carrying them out the group stage.
It’s his competition for a reason.
No replacement for Ronaldo as he left after the season start unprofessionally leaving no chance to bring in a new striker.
Chiesa, Dybala injured and had to rely on Morata all season. Considering all these problems in the attacking line and the mess he created in our game plan, we did the same as last year, same finish in Serie A and CL. If we brought in Vlahovic with a proper pre-season, we would easily finish at a better position. We also played Copa Italia final.
They were going through a big transition period and a rebuild. Partly, because they added him to the squad for a massive amount of money that had a huge impact on their ability to buy others.
Again, the stats you speak of are his personal stats. I was talking about the issue holistically. He DOES have an impact on the team when he's there, and it's not always positive.
And what's this about him outworking his attacking teammates. These are the last stats I've seen which I think went up to March:
Anthony Elanga: 11.7km distance, 1.0 tackles, 4.3 recoveries, 28.7 sprints
Edinson Cavani: 11.6km distance, 0.6 tackles, 2.7 recoveries, 13.0 sprints
Jadon Sancho: 10.8km distance, 0.5 tackles, 4.8 recoveries, 21.9 sprints
Marcus Rashford: 9.9km distance, 0.4 tackles, 3.4 recoveries, 20.7 sprints
Cristiano Ronaldo: 9.3km distance, 0.3 tackles, 2.0 recoveries, 16.1 sprints
Haaland has also scored a goal a game in the CL during that time period while playing for worse teams for the most part.
You’re comparing a baby vs the greatest CL player or all time. Ronaldo always plays better in the CL.
All I’m saying is in a good team he can put those same numbers up.
This is what happens when you have to rely on Morata as your main striker. Dybala and Morata injured.
Vlahovic arrived in the second half with no pre-season and there was no immediate replacement for Ronaldo as the guy left after the season start leaving no chance for Juve to bring in a new striker..
Right, but they were in a bit of a shite state going through a huge transition period. And part of that state they found themselves in, was because they put SO much into Ronaldo in order to win the Champions League. Which they failed to do.
And you’re talking about a 37 year old. I agree he’s the greatest CL player of all time, but let’s not pretend he’s the player he used to be. The only thing he offers any more is goals, and Haaland betters him in this regard now.
So when Ronaldo's there, and the team struggle, it's his fault for making the team worse than the sum of its parts. When Ronaldo's not there, and those same players struggle even more, rather than perform better without Ronaldo 'making them worse', it's still his fault.
I'm getting the idea of the argument by now.
Ronaldo is becoming a meme. That's gotta be bad for his brand. If Mendes can't get him a move soon then, he needs to find a way to get Ronaldo some good headlines. Being trolled for nobody wanting him is not what's meant to happen to brand Ronaldo.
Utterly bizarre how they’ve handled this situation. I have no idea what the point was of going so public.
What about Juve in 16/17, 15/16 and so forth? They scored around similar numbers as when Ronaldo was there so not sure what conclusion you’re trying to draw there. Clearly, 17/18 is the odd season out. And what about Madrid scoring more than 30 less goals immediately after he left? And what about Juve now he’s left and they bought a €70M plus striker?
Bloody hell, they can pipe down.
They might have a chance of him in another decade maybe
This new wave of people on Twitter pretending to have information simply because they have a YouTube channel is infuriating.
Christ, why so fragile over this bloke.
It's not necessarily about attributing "fault" as I said in my original post about how you can't pin all the blame on him. It's about looking at the wider picture of how he possibly affects the team in a way that simply goes beyond the fact that he scores goals.
No argument against this line of thought.
I personally think that the benefits of signing him are far outweighed by the drawbacks but we'll see how it eventually ends. He's still playing a dangerous game, especially with his last WC in a couple of months.
He's a hedge your bets chancer.
After that he says Mendes is trying to get Bayern to make a bid, and that Atletico are interested too.
Embarassing
Mendes has embarrassed both Ronaldo and himself. Without any offer they should not have gone to the media with the story. Since Duncan broke this story, it’s obvious it came from Mendes. Now both Ronaldo and Mendes look like fools.
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