Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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Red00012 said:
He’s dealing with personal issues , remember they lost a child not so long ago so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment in that it’s not linked to him wanting to leave .
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How long are you going to give him that benefit for ?
 
Unfortunately I think we will be stuck with him, hard to see any big club being interested in him or able to afford that.
 
Devil_forever said:
That also puts to bed that he wanted to leave for money. If he agrees with Bayern to play on a low salary and maybe predominantly in champions league matches, they’ll take him imo.
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Or its just good PR which needs recovering now that he can't get his move.
 
R'hllor said:
This cnut cant return, he will never put team above himself regardless of his age or reality, will just stink up a place with his ego selfish free for all aura. WIll just make things harder for ETH, anyone thinking he will get in line is crazy.

So he rejected money, guess CL is most important thing, in that case he should drop his wage demands to the floor, there must be someone out there willing to take him on low, it doesnt need to be top 5 team.
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Loan him to sporting is the best solution as a few have said on here already.
pay half his wages if need be I don’t care.
 
Red00012 said:
He’s dealing with personal issues , remember they lost a child not so long ago so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment in that it’s not linked to him wanting to leave .
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I think we too should give him the benefit of the doubt. What if he does has personal issues? Anyway, I can see him staying this year. We'll need him if we don't get a striker in.
 
The Purley King said:
Loan him to sporting is the best solution as a few have said on here already.
pay half his wages if need be I don’t care.
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No loan. Come to a mutual agreement to cancel his contract, so United can get out of paying him another £25m, which will allow him to return to Sporting.
 
Red00012 said:
He’s dealing with personal issues , remember they lost a child not so long ago so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment in that it’s not linked to him wanting to leave .
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I suspect that both are true. He has personal issues and he wants out, simply because one thing that Mendes controls perfectly is media and what his mouthpieces say. Mendes has been offering Ronaldo to all the clubs that have money, CL and room for an attacker.
 
tidraKS said:
Ronaldo would never score that goal that Martial did. I'm not saying Martial is better, but he at least is young and fast, and can learn how to press. Ronaldo on the other hand will never do that.
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Without being brilliant at it he is a decent target man and can bring the wide forwards into play
 
You would think that Ronaldo is a underworld don who is destroying this club from the inside based on most of the posts here. Its like you guys were waiting for something negative from Ronaldo to kickstart your agenda.

Unless any of you have facts regarding Ronaldo really wanting to leave (not dramatic media articles), you guys can pipe it down. He is still our player regardless of how you feel about him, so keep it quiet till the facts are out.
 
Red00012 said:
He’s dealing with personal issues , remember they lost a child not so long ago so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment in that it’s not linked to him wanting to leave .
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Even as one of the most ardent people on here when it comes to disliking him, I will say I’m very uncomfortable with all this talk of him faking this. What he’s been through with regards to losing a child is horrifying, and will no doubt leave not only him but his partner with scars that don’t just heal.

Of course, the likelihood is that two separate things are ongoing, which naturally appear connected. Him wanting to leave doesn’t mean that there aren’t very real personal circumstances at play.
 
OpenIntrovert said:
You would think that Ronaldo is a underworld don who is destroying this club from the inside based on most of the posts here. Its like you guys were waiting for something negative from Ronaldo to kickstart your agenda.

Unless any of you have facts regarding Ronaldo really wanting to leave (not dramatic media articles), you guys can pipe it down. He is still our player regardless of how you feel about him, so keep it quiet till the facts are out.
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I will say this, I very strongly disagree with this. He can feck off, even if he doesn’t particularly want to (which he does) for me.
 
Reality is hitting him and Mendes in the face like a brick...

Hopefully this humbles him a bit and he comes back motivated as ever to prove everyone that he's still an asset.

They badly miscalculated the temperature in the room across Europe before going public with the demands, now it's turned into a proper embarrassment
 
phelans shorts said:
Even as one of the most ardent people on here when it comes to disliking him, I will say I’m very uncomfortable with all this talk of him faking this. What he’s been through with regards to losing a child is horrifying, and will no doubt leave not only him but his partner with scars that don’t just heal.

Of course, the likelihood is that two separate things are ongoing, which naturally appear connected. Him wanting to leave doesn’t mean that there aren’t very real personal circumstances at play.
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it is 2 separate things. Also surely one of his PR people would put a halt on the press talk if there was no truth to him wanting to leave
 
#07 said:
No loan. Come to a mutual agreement to cancel his contract, so United can get out of paying him another £25m, which will allow him to return to Sporting.
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I think the best we can hope for is that sporting pay him, what, £150k a week?
that leaves us picking up the remainder one way or another.
Or perhaps we’ll go Barca style and agree to pay him the rest in 2035.
 
Ronaldo/Mendes have really fecked up here.

Not only will he probably have to come back to United with his tale between his legs and suck on a big old Europa League campaign, but he's also lost any element of having the upper hand with the club. I think before all of this Ten Hag would have been under immense pressure to keep Ronnie happy - as it is now I don't think ETH will give a flying feck about him. I hope this means that ETH will just use him as he would any player, and only pick him based on the game/opposition/system - a squad player basically. And tough shit if Ronnie doesn't like it.
 
JPRouve said:
I suspect that both are true. He has personal issues and he wants out, simply because one thing that Mendes controls perfectly is media and what his mouthpieces say. Mendes has been offering Ronaldo to all the clubs that have money, CL and room for an attacker.
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Exactly this.

Ronaldo dealing with a genuine family emergency and Ronaldo wanting to leave Man Utd can both be true.

As you say, look at the sources of the stories. Look at the journalists who are writing them. These are all papers and people with known links to Mendes.

When it became clear Man Utd weren't going to qualify for the Champions League, it was obvious Ronaldo would want to leave. Him wanting to go is no shock.

I think what's causing some of us to smirk at how this is all turning out is that, just before United were due to fly out for the tour he dropped this bombshell on the club. Now it has all blown up in his face. Everyone was looking forward to a fresh start under Ten Hag, which Ronaldo tried to derail. Now, having twerked for Europe's elite, Ronaldo's having to face up to the fact he's just not that hot anymore.
 
Seriously, has Ronaldo said anything at all since the wanting to be in the CL stuff? Has those quotes been verified?

All we know for sure is that he's off on compassionate leave after his son died, which is surely understandable. In some industries 90 days compassionate leave for the death of a child is standard.

I know we're all football fans and we want everyone to prioritise football, but you've got to trust that this is the reason he's not back yet, rather than him throwing his toys out of the pram. He's one of ours until he's not, can we not just support him until he's not?

Journalists put two and two together and often get five. Of course if you asked the new owners at Chelsea, they're going to show interest, and if you ask the manager they'll show interest too, then have the Chelsea manager and the Bayern board distance themselves. They have no idea what's going on, they're sitting on the fence. Mendes meeting clubs means nothing, he's not just Ronaldo's agent.

Discuss it by all means, but calling him a cnut and some of the other insults in here are not on.
 
The Purley King said:
I think the best we can hope for is that sporting pay him, what, £150k a week?
that leaves us picking up the remainder one way or another.
Or perhaps we’ll go Barca style and agree to pay him the rest in 2035.
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Sporting's highest paid player is at about £50k (before taxes). £150k would be impossible for them.
 
#07 said:
Exactly this.

Ronaldo dealing with a genuine family emergency and Ronaldo wanting to leave Man Utd can both be true.

As you say, look at the sources of the stories. Look at the journalists who are writing them. These are all papers and people with known links to Mendes.

When it became clear Man Utd weren't going to qualify for the Champions League, it was obvious Ronaldo would want to leave. Him wanting to go is no shock.

I think what's causing some of us to smirk at how this is all turning out is that, just before United were due to fly out for the tour he dropped this bombshell on the club. Now it has all blown up in his face. Everyone was looking forward to a fresh start under Ten Hag, which Ronaldo tried to derail. Now, having twerked for Europe's elite, Ronaldo's having to face up to the fact he's just not that hot anymore.
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The only issue with having both is that we don't know how much the personal issues, mental health, impact on thinking through things.
 
JPRouve said:
And the Football transfer market, isn't a regular market, it doesn't follow the logic of common goods and is closer to the Art market
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So whats the point in lecturing me about demand and supply?
 
Tavern in the town said:
I’ve been pretty outspoken on my hatred for Ronaldo but Jesus, some of the nonsense you see on the internet. The goalscorer gets the glory because football games, in case you hadn’t noticed, are literally decided by goals. And if goalscoring doesn’t take ability why the feck do people bother playing other positions? Tuanzebe can’t get a look in at centre half, why doesn’t he simply decide to start scoring 50 goals a season?
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Wild isn't it? It's one of the worst takes I've ever seen on here.
 
OpenIntrovert said:
You would think that Ronaldo is a underworld don who is destroying this club from the inside based on most of the posts here. Its like you guys were waiting for something negative from Ronaldo to kickstart your agenda.

Unless any of you have facts regarding Ronaldo really wanting to leave (not dramatic media articles), you guys can pipe it down. He is still our player regardless of how you feel about him, so keep it quiet till the facts are out.
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Nah, he can just feck off out of the club, as soon as possible please.
 
Peter van der Gea said:
Seriously, has Ronaldo said anything at all since the wanting to be in the CL stuff? Has those quotes been verified?

All we know for sure is that he's off on compassionate leave after his son died, which is surely understandable. In some industries 90 days compassionate leave for the death of a child is standard.

I know we're all football fans and we want everyone to prioritise football, but you've got to trust that this is the reason he's not back yet, rather than him throwing his toys out of the pram. He's one of ours until he's not, can we not just support him until he's not?

Journalists put two and two together and often get five. Of course if you asked the new owners at Chelsea, they're going to show interest, and if you ask the manager they'll show interest too, then have the Chelsea manager and the Bayern board distance themselves. They have no idea what's going on, they're sitting on the fence. Mendes meeting clubs means nothing, he's not just Ronaldo's agent.

Discuss it by all means, but calling him a cnut and some of the other insults in here are not on.
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Excellent post! I have been telling some of them on how the media creates stories out of nowhere so that the readers will buy them, but it looks like these fans already have an agenda against Ronaldo.

The mods should take a look at some of these posters. They just want to hurl abuses at players. If this was RAWK, those guys would be banned in a instant.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Do we know that for sure though?
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Its between the club and the player. By right employer and employee discussions and dealings are confidential. There is no need for us to know about this.

As someone bound under a contract to the club, Ronaldo would be fined or face other type of disciplinary actions if he was lying about it. Same as how your employer would do if they found out you were lying. The fact the club and ETH have given him space for his personal issues, tells you that it is true.
 
Figgins said:
The only issue with having both is that we don't know how much the personal issues, mental health, impact on thinking through things.
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That's a fair point.

I just think its a bit much for Jorge Mendes to be galivanting about, being photographed with Todd Boehly and Joan Laporta and all his favoured mouthpieces trumpeting how Ronaldo's part of the talks.

Jorge Mendes did not meet with these people in public for no reason. Nor did his chosen outlets give us chapter and verse about what was discussed without cause.

People are entitled to believe Duncan Castles and co just made it all up. I admire your undying faith in Ronaldo. I just cant swallow it.

PS) I don't even think its that bad that Ronaldo wants to go. I expected it when we finished 6th. I just think there are better ways of going about this kinda thing that what he's allowed Mendes to try.
 
#07 said:
That's a fair point.

I just think its a bit much for Jorge Mendes to be galivanting about, being photographed with Todd Boehly and Joan Laporta and all his favoured mouthpieces trumpeting how Ronaldo's part of the talks.

Jorge Mendes did not meet with these people in public for no reason. Nor did his chosen outlets give us chapter and verse about what was discussed without cause.

People are entitled to believe Duncan Castles and co just made it all up. I admire your undying faith in Ronaldo. I just cant swallow it.
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You do realize that Mendes represents alot of players besides Cristiano Ronaldo?
 
OpenIntrovert said:
You do realize that Mendes represents alot of players besides Cristiano Ronaldo?
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As I said, you're entitled to believe that when the journalists said these meetings included discussions about Ronaldo it wasn't Mendes shopping him about. You're entitled to believe the likes of Edu Aguirre following Chelsea on instagram and Man Utd Sainz giving the lowdown on Ronaldo's options was all rubbish. I can't prove to you that its not. I just don't have the faith in Ronaldo that you do.
 
romufc said:
So whats the point in lecturing me about demand and supply?
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It's still part of supply and demand, it's also part of consumers/sellers behavior and the dynamic of different market structures. And you are the one who tried to lecture someone about supply and demand, while making a basic mistake which is why I asked you the questions I did in my initial post.
 
The Purley King said:
Loan him to sporting is the best solution as a few have said on here already.
pay half his wages if need be I don’t care.
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Why pay half the wages for someone who is desperate to force himself out of the club? He should be fined for the period of his absence and asked to train hard to earn his place in the starting eleven? If ETH thinks he's not good enough, he can stay as a squad player and basically be used as a "super-sub" for the entire season.

It shouldn't always be about players.
 
#07 said:
As I said, you're entitled to believe that when the journalists said these meetings included discussions about Ronaldo it wasn't Mendes shopping him about. You're entitled to believe the likes of Edu Aguirre following Chelsea on instagram and Man Utd Sainz giving the lowdown on Ronaldo's options was all rubbish. I can't prove to you that its not. I just don't have the faith in Ronaldo that you do.
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Its not just Ronaldo, they have been making up stories for very long when they cant get any news (e.g. dressing room crisis during Ole's tenure when there was a loss, Pogba and Lukaku "issue").

I am not a ardent Ronaldo supporter but i am defending him until it is proven that he really wants to leave. ETH has said that Ronaldo wanting to leave was something he read in the papers, and all he knows is that Ronaldo wants to be part of his setup and the reason he is not training is due to personal valid issues. That already tells you that the media is just running stories simply because they didnt see Ronaldo come for training and they saw Mendes meeting Todd Boehly.
 
Peter van der Gea said:
His son died you, he's not a robot. Do you have kids?
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Calm down FFS!

For the record I have 2 kids, have experienced miscarriage, and I fully understand the horror and pain of losing a baby during childbirth in spite of (thankfully) not having had to deal with that myself. If Ronaldo needed a significant amount of time off after that happened - or indeed now if there has been some kind of delayed reaction - then I would be in full support of that.

I was simply querying your statement: "All we know for sure is that he's off on compassionate leave after his son died"

As far as I had heard all that we have been told is that Ronaldo is off for 'Personal/Family' reasons. I haven't read anywhere that a) he's off on compassionate leave or b) that it is anything to do with the death of his son. Now, it may well be the case that it IS linked to his son, but as stated above my issue isn't with that, it is with you stating something as fact that I don't believe is fact? Apologies if I've missed an element of this story and more detail has been released about his absence - it's hard to keep up sometimes.
 
#07 said:
That's a fair point.

I just think its a bit much for Jorge Mendes to be galivanting about, being photographed with Todd Boehly and Joan Laporta and all his favoured mouthpieces trumpeting how Ronaldo's part of the talks.

Jorge Mendes did not meet with these people in public for no reason. Nor did his chosen outlets give us chapter and verse about what was discussed without cause.

People are entitled to believe Duncan Castles and co just made it all up. I admire your undying faith in Ronaldo. I just cant swallow it.

PS) I don't even think its that bad that Ronaldo wants to go. I expected it when we finished 6th. I just think there are better ways of going about this kinda thing that what he's allowed Mendes to try.
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Ruben Dias
Bernardo Silva
Fabinho
Joao Cancelo
Diogo Jota
Darwin Nunez
Rafael Leao
Ederson
Goncalo Guedes
Ruben Neves
Andre Silva
Pedro Neto
Renato Sanches
Adama Traore
Ricardo Pereira
Nico
Nelson Semedo
Vitinha
Daniel Podence
Francisco Trincao
Fabio Vieira
Matt Doherty
Rafa Mir
Angel Di Maria
James Rodriguez
Rayan Ait-Nouri
Jose Sa
Radamel Falcao

And he's definitely not talking about any of the above?
 
Let the little shit rot on the bench after his antics this summer. This or he runs his fecking heart out for us. If he doesn't put him out and let him watch the others play football.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Calm down FFS!

For the record I have 2 kids, have experienced miscarriage, and I fully understand the horror and pain of losing a baby during childbirth in spite of (thankfully) not having had to deal with that myself. If Ronaldo needed a significant amount of time off after that happened - or indeed now if there has been some kind of delayed reaction - then I would be in full support of that.

I was simply querying your statement: "All we know for sure is that he's off on compassionate leave after his son died"

As far as I had heard all that we have been told is that Ronaldo is off for 'Personal/Family' reasons. I haven't read anywhere that a) he's off on compassionate leave or b) that it is anything to do with the death of his son. Now, it may well be the case that it IS linked to his son, but as stated above my issue isn't with that, it is with you stating something as fact that I don't believe is fact? Apologies if I've missed an element of this story and more detail has been released about his absence - it's hard to keep up sometimes.
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I'm not angry, but as a guy with two kids, you must know it takes time to handle the grief, especially at the loss of a child. I've got two myself and we've had a couple of miscarriages too, but a friend of mine lost his at 8 1/2 months. That grief is different, it's closer to one of us losing a child than an early term miscarriage.

They didn't have a miscarriage, one of their twins was still born, so not only do they have to handle grief, they also have a new baby, which on its own should have paternity leave.

If he had come back to the club after only a couple of weeks with his family in the situation they're in, I'd lose respect for him, family always comes first. I don't see in any way that he is not off because of the loss of his son and his new daughter.
 
De jong and Eriksen pretty much sorted all is left to wrap up a very good summer is for him to leave and we can finally move forward with a new chapter.
 
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