Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

[Mainoldo]

Bayern will sell Lewandowski for 50m euros and buy Ronaldo for 20m.

That is the issue here, we are terrible at selling, both players want to leave, both 1 year yet we will get 30m less.

Is Lewa 37 earning £500k a week?

I thought not.

 

[romufc]

Is Lewa 37 earning £500k a week?

I thought not.

I don't get your point but well done.

 

[Scarecrow]

Bayern will sell Lewandowski for 50m euros and buy Ronaldo for 20m.

That is the issue here, we are terrible at selling, both players want to leave, both 1 year yet we will get 30m less.

Lewandowski is a better player, younger, easier fit for most teams. And there is actually demand for him, so Bayern have some leverage. It makes sense to me.

 

[romufc]

Lewandowski is a better player, younger, easier fit for most teams. And there is actually demand for him, so Bayern have some leverage. It makes sense to me.

Lewandowski being a better player, is your opinion, easier to fit in teams again, is your opinion. Younger so he costs more? Mane went for 35m and he is younger than Lewandowski. I dont see how that applies then?

Demand is when a team wants a player. Barca want him, hardly seen any other clubs in for him.

If Bayern want Ronaldo, there is the demand for the player.

Especially if it goes longer into the window, United would have to replace Ronaldo, the price would go up.

 

[Pronewbie]

If he's staying he better turn up after the Melbourne game.

 

[Berbaclass]

Chelsea are out

 

[MrEleson]

If his career was based purely on his natural ability, he would have been just another, probably good, winger but early on I'm guessing he realised that the goalscorer always gets the glory.

His 06/07 season begs to differ. One of the best individual seasons in PL history and it wasn’t because of goals. He was primarily playing as right footed RW in a 4-4-2 where he dazzled and he was a superb team player. That version of Ronaldo is anything but “another good winger.” He won all 4 major individual PL awards (1st and only player to do so). But I guess this thread is all about downplaying regarding him.

 

[Devil_forever]

Bayern will sell Lewandowski for 50m euros and buy Ronaldo for 20m.

That is the issue here, we are terrible at selling, both players want to leave, both 1 year yet we will get 30m less.

And before someone says Lewa is younger. 1.Ronaldo’s impact off the field is far far greater than Lewa’s and 2. Ronaldo will probably play into his 40s.

 

[DutchCruijff]

Hurt his rep with United a SECOND time and for what? Europe rejecting him.

 

[MrEleson]

 

[Flexdegea]

Hurt his rep with United a SECOND time and for what? Europe rejecting him.

Ya just love to see it

 

[RedRonaldo]

He's hardly a super presser compared to his peers - but he does press more than Ronaldo.

Personally, I just don't see Nagelsmann being interested. Surely they can fill the Lewa gap by doing something other (and more, say, progressive) than replacing him with a less productive player in what would presumably be roughly the same role.

It’s like comparing bad to worst.

Below is list of high presser vs low passer last season:

High presser (pressure per 90min):

- Firmino 23.48
- Jota 23
- Foden 18.48
- Nkunku 18.28
- Diaz 15.36
- Nunez 15.24
- Salah 15.18
- Jesus 14.92
- Mane 14.67

Low presser:

- Lewandowski 9.68
- Messi 9.41
- Mbappe 8.09
- Ronaldo 6.54

 

[AshRK]

I love Ronaldo but at this point I feel he is just making a mockery of himself more than the club. He is a legend of the game and his agent is whoring him out everywhere only for him to be rejected. Just come back and do your job for a season and stop killing your legacy.

I would want him gone but no one will touch him so we are stuck with him.

 

[arthurka]

Ronaldo it's not looking good for him.

 

[Morpheus 7]

He's overplayed his hand, best to get backtracking Ronnie.

 

[Nickosaur]

Must be realising he's not got any better options than us right now. Hopefully he can focus on the season ahead.

 

[troylocker]

I don't get your point but well done.

Older, higher wage and lower output. Hence the difference in askingprices. Paying 20M for a 37 year old and paying him 25-30M a year is crazy. Personally I would let him go for free if someone wanted to pay his wages.

 

[horsechoker]

Zlatan has managed his late career a lot better despite injuries.

He's accepted playing a bit part role and ended up helping AC to their first scudetto in years.

 

[Orc]

Clear brief from our side as well. Tuchel probably doesn’t want to be asked about Ronaldo constantly.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Lewandowski being a better player, is your opinion, easier to fit in teams again, is your opinion. Younger so he costs more? Mane went for 35m and he is younger than Lewandowski. I dont see how that applies then?

He's three (plus) years younger and if he's not in his prime anymore, he's certainly much closer to prime level than Ronaldo is.

That Lewandowski is the better/more valuable player is pretty much an objective statement of fact (to anyone but die-hard Ronaldo fans).

 

[romufc]

Older, higher wage and lower output. Hence the difference in askingprices. Paying 20M for a 37 year old and paying him 25-30M a year is crazy. Personally I would let him go for free if someone wanted to pay his wages.

Interesting. Mane is high output, younger, lower wage too. Why did he only cost Bayern 35m?

Output in the CL is similar at their ages. Comparing a farmers league to PL is not quite a true reflection though is it?

 

[romufc]

He's three (plus) years younger and if he's not in his prime anymore, he's certainly much closer to prime level than Ronaldo is.

That Lewandowski is the better/more valuable player is pretty much an objective statement of fact (to anyone but die-hard Ronaldo fans).

Fine, then how did Mane go to Bayern for less?

He is 3 years younger, in his prime.

 

[JPRouve]

Zlatan has managed his late career a lot better despite injuries.

He's accepted playing a bit part role and ended up helping AC to their first scudetto in years.

Zlatan had a better agent and no I'm not joking. Gestifute talented players make one good move during their prime but when it's time to actually manage a career without the benefit of hype things go pear-shaped.

 

[Adisa]

I don't get your point but well done.

You do not understand the concept of demand and supply.

 

[lilcurt]

Says everything about where he is in his career and where we are as a club, that no other decent team want him and yet he doesn't want to play for us.

I don't mind him staying but he can't be a guaranteed starter week in week out just because of his name. He has to accept his place in the system, wherever the managers deems it.

 

[romufc]

You do not understand the concept of demand and supply.

I perfectly understand the concept. Looks like you are struggling.

Barca want a ST (early in the window) - Lewandowski, Bayern want 50m upfront.

Go back to see what I said, if they do sell him and bayern want Ronaldo, what does that create? DEMAND. Maybe you dont understand supply and demand.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Fine, then how did Mane go to Bayern for less?

He is 3 years younger, in his prime.

I don't follow - for less than what or who?

 

[MrEleson]

That Lewandowski is the better/more valuable player is pretty much an objective statement of fact (to anyone but die-hard Ronaldo fans).

I’m not saying Lewandowski isn’t better but you can’t really compare them or say it’s an objective fact. Ronaldo plays in a far more demanding league for a far worse side. If Lewandowski was in Ronaldo’s place last season, he certainly wouldn’t be getting close to his Bayern numbers, that’s for sure. And for him to better Ronaldo’s league numbers, he’d be virtually topscorer in the league which I find an unlikely event. He would also need to match Ronaldo’s 3 POTM awards amongst other things.

 

[Adisa]

I perfectly understand the concept. Looks like you are struggling.

Barca want a ST (early in the window) - Lewandowski, Bayern want 50m upfront.

Go back to see what I said, if they do sell him and bayern want Ronaldo, what does that create? DEMAND. Maybe you dont understand supply and demand.

Bayern have categorically said they do not want Ronaldo.

 

[JPRouve]

I perfectly understand the concept. Looks like you are struggling.

Barca want a ST (early in the window) - Lewandowski, Bayern want 50m upfront.

Go back to see what I said, if they do sell him and bayern want Ronaldo, what does that create? DEMAND. Maybe you dont understand supply and demand.

Do you know if Barcelona, Bayern and United consider that Ronaldo and Lewandowski are perfectly substitutable? Are they all willing to pay the same price for each players?

 

[romufc]

Bayern have categorically said they do not want Ronaldo.

Okay, so what was the reason in trying to bash my knowledge on demand and supply when you couldn't be bothered in reading what I replied to?

Can see Bayern coming in for him when Lewa does eventually leave this summer.

This is the quote I responded to.

 

[romufc]

Do you know if Barcelona, Bayern and United consider that Ronaldo and Lewandowski are perfectly substitutable? Are they all willing to pay the same price for each players?

Do you not think Ronaldo can score goals in the Bundesliga?

Do you think he will score half the goals Lewandowski does?

Ronaldo, brings bigger commercial status to Bayern than Lewandowski.

 

[flappyjay]

It’s like comparing bad to worst.

Below is list of high presser vs low passer last season:

High presser (pressure per 90min):

- Firmino 23.48
- Jota 23
- Foden 18.48
- Nkunku 18.28
- Diaz 15.36
- Nunez 15.24
- Salah 15.18
- Jesus 14.92
- Mane 14.67

Low presser:

- Lewandowski 9.68
- Messi 9.41
- Mbappe 8.09
- Ronaldo 6.54

Mbappe should be embarrassed to be in the same category as the pensioners.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

I’m not saying Lewandowski isn’t better but you can’t really compare them or say it’s an objective fact.

I said it was pretty much an objective fact.

Also - this isn't about numbers. Most people (who aren't Ronaldo fans) would agree that Lewandowski is simply much closer to his prime than Ronaldo is. Excactly how many goals he would score in a hypothetical scenario is neither here nor there. That isn't how you judge/assess a player.

 

[JPRouve]

Do you not think Ronaldo can score goals in the Bundesliga?

Do you think he will score half the goals Lewandowski does?

Ronaldo, brings bigger commercial status to Bayern than Lewandowski.

It doesn't matter what I think, what matter is what each consumer thinks. Your set of questions shows that you don't know the concept of supply and demand how market prices are set.

 

[Tavern in the town]

But it is also what has made him what he is. If his career was based purely on his natural ability, he would have been just another, probably good, winger but early on I'm guessing he realised that the goalscorer always gets the glory.

I’ve been pretty outspoken on my hatred for Ronaldo but Jesus, some of the nonsense you see on the internet. The goalscorer gets the glory because football games, in case you hadn’t noticed, are literally decided by goals. And if goalscoring doesn’t take ability why the feck do people bother playing other positions? Tuanzebe can’t get a look in at centre half, why doesn’t he simply decide to start scoring 50 goals a season?

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Looking more likely than a week ago that he'll stay at United

If he stays, I'm absolutely sure Ten Hag will make Ronaldo adapt to his system, rather than him adapting to Ronaldo's.

And once Ronaldo bangs in a few goals and United win a few games, I'm sure it'll be easy enough to just enjoy the last season together.

 

[MrEleson]

I said it was pretty much an objective fact.

Also - this isn't about numbers. Most people (who aren't Ronaldo fans) would agree that Lewandowski is simply much closer to his prime than Ronaldo is. Excactly how many goals he would score in a hypothetical scenario is neither here nor there. That isn't how you judge/assess a player.

Why is it pretty much an objective fact when their respective teams play a huge role in their output? And how do you assess two players who’s main contribution is to score goals if you’re not looking at their numbers?

 

[Adisa]

Okay, so what was the reason in trying to bash my knowledge on demand and supply when you couldn't be bothered in reading what I replied to?



This is the quote I responded to.

Us selling Ronaldo for much less than what Bayern would sell Lewa for is not a failing on our part. For reasons that have been mentioned in this thread, the market for Lewa almost definitely be bigger than Ronaldo's.

 

[Cassidy]

So no ones wants him then, making himself look a bit of a mug at the moment