I don’t agree with that either
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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I don’t agree with that either
Yep. Personally both extremes are incorrect. It could both be true that he wasn’t the sole cause of our woes, but also that signing him was a mistake and that contributed to our woes.
And your point is obviously correct, as was proven in the season before his arrival.
This sensible middle ground is consistently lost.
PSG has become the laziest suggestion in football in general. Anytime people try to come up with possible destinations for players (doesn't have to be Ronaldo) it's always PSG.
People suggesting that he will end up on the bench as ETH decision is really a scary thing, if ETH does that, he can resign right now, there is no middle ground with that egoistic prick, he either plays or get them as far as possible from first team, because his aura in that state will cause nothing but misery.
This Ronaldo debacle is perhaps the most terrible reflection of all when it comes to assessing the incompetence of our recruitment. We had Cavani this time last year and knew we needed a striker. Nobody viable was really on the market, so we added Ronaldo in the knowledge we still had a year to get ahead. Now, as we are days of Ten Hag’s first match in charge, we have Anthony Martial as the only first team striker at the club. How didn’t we see this coming?
The club is one big joke.
The club is one big joke.
Hopefully he's not here by the start of the season.
His presence will be a detriment to the entire team.
His presence will be a detriment to the entire team.
Yeah Ofcourse. You can just pick and choose whatever reasons you like but whatever team Ronaldo is in that fares badly it’s his fault
Even when Zidane came in, they weren’t the same as when Ronaldo was there, they still struggled massively for goals and primarily used their defence to win La Liga in 19/20 by conceding the least amount of goals in decades.
They even conceded less than Atletico that season.
They still couldn’t get past the CL RO16 though.
It’s an absolutely laughable logic to now point to their success 4 WHOLE seasons later as some way of saying Ronaldo was holding them back (a side not even as good as the ones Ronaldo was part of). This is Real Madrid. They were always gonna come back no matter what.
We’re also in the age of fans of “the players” (maybe that’s always been the case over the years?) and some find it near impossible to criticise a player they idolise.
Absolutely and it’s unfortunate.
The point is that they still managed to become successful even without him. He contributes goals but little else and that has been true after 14/15 season. So they managed to improve in other areas which made up for his goals.Yeah Ofcourse. You can just pick and choose whatever reasons you like but whatever team Ronaldo is in that fares badly it’s his fault
Even when Zidane came in, they weren’t the same as when Ronaldo was there, they still struggled massively for goals and primarily used their defence to win La Liga in 19/20 by conceding the least amount of goals in decades.
They even conceded less than Atletico that season.
They still couldn’t get past the CL RO16 though.
It’s an absolutely laughable logic to now point to their success 4 WHOLE seasons later as some way of saying Ronaldo was holding them back (a side not even as good as the ones Ronaldo was part of). This is Real Madrid. They were always gonna come back no matter what.
Besides, Benzemas potential started to belatedly be realised. When cr7 was there, his personality meant Benzema was shackled and played to serve Cristiano.
Fanboys and haters alike. Many of the former expend huge amounts of energy in the threads of players they regard as their boy’s ”rivals” posting vitriol, under the impression that it shows their loyalty to their boy. It’s absolutely infuriating.
The same applies to managers. Well, the one who “wasn’t backed” in particular. I’d be all for the mods going through peoples’s post history, looking for a pattern of unreasonable attachment to an individual player and/or manager, and replacing the existing pointless taglines with an independently adjudicated “favourite player/manager”. It would bring it out into the open and save a lot of grief.
Yup. You just end up with easily disprovable bollocks being repeated as fact over and over again. Which in turn is countered by equally disprovable bollocks.
Newcastle is worse. Any club that wants to shift a bit of deadwood and their fans will suggest Newcastle. See it with Maguire all the time.
Newcastle also. People on here reckoned we could ship out all our deadwood to them.
Just because they’ve got money doesn’t mean they’re stupid, sadly.
Edit: @Tavern in the town snap
Bah. Normally I’d agree with you but in this instance it’s hard to argue with.
A bit of context though: the person making the original idiotic decisions has now gone. I’d be surprised if either Arnold or Murtough had any involvement in Ronaldo’s recruitment.
Whether they have done enough to turn things round remains to be seen.
Can you really argue with that though
More a criticism of the moaning. Be more interesting and inventive ffs. Don’t just recycle the same ‘clubs a joke’ tripe.
Makes me think the moaners are one dimensional and not suited to the PL.
Ofcourse they would. They’re arguably the biggest club on earth. If Barca return to their former successes, is that somehow a black mark on Messi? And you’re missing the part where they were actually worse without him? They’ve won trophies but the side of the last 3 seasons aren’t as good as the sides with Ronaldo. They’ve been fortunate that Barca are a shadow of what they once were and they’ve underperformed in the CL in most of the time that Ronaldo has been gone which implies they didn’t really improve after him. Lastly, Ronaldo was always consistently in the top 3 assists in the team so clearly he didn’t just “score goals.” And even if he did, why is that an issue? It’s a team game, after all and that was his role.
And I don’t buy Benzema being shackled by Ronaldo. He was genuinely poor in some seasons like 16/17 & 17/18. Had nothing to do with Ronaldo if even Ramos amongst others were scoring more league goals than him.
Yeah fair enough.
I think we have no clue how to replace him that's why we want to hang on to him
Keeping him would probably be worse than selling him and not getting a replacement though. You can't keep hold of him now after what's gone on.
Manchester United will not willingly sell him, to anybody.
His commercial value far outweighs the disruption he will cause in changing room, should he stay.
Manchester United Football Club would sell him in a heartbeat. However. Manchester United PLC holds more power and they simply won't sell their biggest commercial asset. Especially now that their second biggest asset (Pogba) has already left.
Load of shite. His impact on our revenue has been absolutely minimal.
I wonder if they’ll still think that when we’re not even in the Conference League next season
Please tell me there is no legs to this Brobbey thing, now Dybala for me is a different matter as feel intrigued by him
Obviously in an ideal world we go and get Belotti as he's a free agent (what we waiting for) or go all in for Schick.
What’s gone on exactly? Ultimately the club won’t want to go into the new season without a CF.
If he goes it will be under United terms and when an appropriate replacement identified.
That’s smart from the club.
Source?
The club are spectacularly misreading the room once again. Do any United fans (and by that I don’t mean the idiotic Ronaldo fans who put players before the club) actually care if he goes to Chelsea?
This stance of not selling him to a rival is so dense it’s untrue. We could offload his wages, rebuild and get rid of the circus this narcissistic cnut has decided to initiate at the worst possible time, all in one fail swooped.
It just smacks of the endless idiocy of the way the club is run. He was signed to make money on shirt sales, he is now being kept for the exact same reason. The morons running this club are quite deliberately prioritising revenue before the entire make up of the squad and the new managers attempt to turn round the utter tactical farce that we have become. If he is kept around to disrupt everything, then I wouldn’t blame Ten Hag to walk.
This stance of not selling him to a rival is so dense it’s untrue. We could offload his wages, rebuild and get rid of the circus this narcissistic cnut has decided to initiate at the worst possible time, all in one fail swooped.
It just smacks of the endless idiocy of the way the club is run. He was signed to make money on shirt sales, he is now being kept for the exact same reason. The morons running this club are quite deliberately prioritising revenue before the entire make up of the squad and the new managers attempt to turn round the utter tactical farce that we have become. If he is kept around to disrupt everything, then I wouldn’t blame Ten Hag to walk.
Commercial revenues didn’t see any significant jump. From what I recall the share price rose a lot higher in the immediate aftermath of his signing, but even that was nothing permanent.
They can't afford to have no CF
Have you seen the figures? Edit: oh, you have
I think it’s obvious he was brought in for commercial reasons. The new CEO seems to have cottoned on to the idea that our future commercial success is totally dependent on our success on the football field, so I doubt he’d stand in the way of the manager should he want Ronnie gone.
Selling the idea to the Glazers might be harder though.
It's entirely true though! I'm not saying he's the sole reason for a decline last year. There were much bigger reasons (added expectation which Ole failed to match, Ole building a bloated squad which bred unhappiness, Ole being unable to implement a more proactive system but trying to, etc).
But it has an impact, Ronaldo just being useless in so much of the game at this stage. All the attackers had to change how they play considerably. They have to make up for Ronaldo's lack of work rate. They can't take up the positions Ronaldo takes up. Ronaldo as a striker has never actually been good. He was always a great as a winger. As a striker, he'll drift wide but be a poacher anyway, leave the middle vacant, others have nobody to play off of, not offer runs in behind as he doesn't have the pace anymore, doesn't have the strength to hold up the ball, out wide gets in the way of Rashford and whoever, Bruno playing with his idol so he wants to please him so he pumps it to him first chance he gets every time... Of course Ronaldo changed the way we played, not positively. All of a sudden, every attack gets siphoned through Ronaldo. He dominates all the shot totals, he doesn't link up with others, he doesn't create for others, he's a black hole when it comes to play that ends at his feet and either turns into losing a ball or a shot. Nothing else.
Your example about Inzaghi, it both works and doesn't work. The wingers for city and attacking mids would change a bit. They don't have a hold up play player through the middle anymore. If he was as useless as Ronaldo off the ball of defensively, then you are effectively playing with 10 men defensively so you have to cover for that. With city though, I always felt they would do better with a poacher, as they had no actual scorers. A team full of creators... Unfortunately haaland will score a boat load. But of course they'll change the way they play to make up for that. With United, out only creator in attack is Sancho, the rest of them are scorers/shooters. Bruno is very direct, Rashford is a wide forward and makes sense why he wouldn't work with Ronaldo, Greenwood was the same but is now gone... But we also didn't have a system that could effectively take in Ronaldo (back on Ole).
I don't blame Ronaldo for last season, he's not reason 1, 2 ,3 ,4 or 5 for that. But he is a factor of it, and I firmly believe that Ten Hag would be better off without him. Hell I think Ten Hag would be better off just using Martial provided he can stay fit instead of Ronaldo. He can implement his system and not have to cover for basically playing with 10 men throughout so many phases of the game. We are in a rebuild, a 37 year old poacher that doesn't fit the system that the manager wants to implement but would demand to play just doesn't make sense.
We got it wrong with Ronaldo but at the same time I wouldn't blame him. Even considering his antics and how detrimental he could be tactically (I think he is), I doubt that adding Ronaldo in our team automatically means that we have to play with no intensity as a whole, as we did for months.
Remember the stats that emerged around October/November, at that stage we were the last team in tackles, duels, most errors leading to goals and so on. It smells like a dressing room thing that could have happened due to diverse factors. Maybe the change of tactics discouraged players, or changes in the hierarchy. Those who were the first row became second one, also limiting their influence in attack, and those who were second became the reserve of the reserve. Players having to work more in order to carry a 37 years old player, or maybe all the reasons together leading to a bomb of discontent. It's the only way to understand such an outrageous drop in terms of general effort.
So even if Ronaldo was the 'trigger' or one of them, I think the blame lies mainly at the club by poor planification. I say this while I'm not one of his fans (I've been calling Ronaldo the slave since he left the first time) but I think this chapter represents once again the club failures at structural level and poor decision making at the top, more than anything else.
Now I think we both agree (club and player) that his presence isn't benefiting anyone here, neither the player or us, so it looks like he's actively forcing the move but I think it's something agreed. No mention from Ten Hag about Ronaldo in yesterday's interview (at least I haven't seen), while he makes remarks about how we want to build a strong pressing game. I just hope things change at club level so we can avoid chapters like this in the future. I wouldn't bet a penny on it though, we'll see.
Remember the stats that emerged around October/November, at that stage we were the last team in tackles, duels, most errors leading to goals and so on. It smells like a dressing room thing that could have happened due to diverse factors. Maybe the change of tactics discouraged players, or changes in the hierarchy. Those who were the first row became second one, also limiting their influence in attack, and those who were second became the reserve of the reserve. Players having to work more in order to carry a 37 years old player, or maybe all the reasons together leading to a bomb of discontent. It's the only way to understand such an outrageous drop in terms of general effort.
So even if Ronaldo was the 'trigger' or one of them, I think the blame lies mainly at the club by poor planification. I say this while I'm not one of his fans (I've been calling Ronaldo the slave since he left the first time) but I think this chapter represents once again the club failures at structural level and poor decision making at the top, more than anything else.
Now I think we both agree (club and player) that his presence isn't benefiting anyone here, neither the player or us, so it looks like he's actively forcing the move but I think it's something agreed. No mention from Ten Hag about Ronaldo in yesterday's interview (at least I haven't seen), while he makes remarks about how we want to build a strong pressing game. I just hope things change at club level so we can avoid chapters like this in the future. I wouldn't bet a penny on it though, we'll see.
Any other clubs linked to him other than Chelsea?
Wouldn't want to go into a new season with a player who doesn't want to be here, either. Particularly when we're talking about a player who, on a good day, can still have a major strop. I think going into a new season with him not wanting to be here, would be worse than going into a season with no replacement for him, IMO.
I disagree.
Being in the bottom 1% when it comes to defensive actions is a funny way of showing your desire to win.
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