Nailed it, again. United were naive unwise to sign him last year and it hasn't paid off. I can't imagine who would want to touch him after this fiasco of a season.
That won't stop him from bombarding every club with pleas to sign him.
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Nailed it, again. United were naive unwise to sign him last year and it hasn't paid off. I can't imagine who would want to touch him after this fiasco of a season.
That won't stop him from bombarding every club with pleas to sign him.
And Man United - again, your point remains
Regardless of what some quarters say, I don't believe Pep wanted Ronaldo, I reckon his agent played a blinder there.
To be fair, we did actually finish second (even if a good few miles behind City) just before he joined, and with Ronaldo's ego and belief in his own ability, he probably did think we'd battle them for the league with the signings made
He has a contract, a job and he's not showing at his workplace and you think it's normal? Where would it end if all the players who are not satisfied with the way club is operating wouldn't show up at training.Sir, I'm honoured but I am not even close to that award. I just know that if I was him I wouldn't show up either but many people don't want to admit that they wouldn't but that's fine I will be honest
The window remains garbage and I'm pretty sure the manager isn't happy either so why are you? Are you even?
So because Ronaldo moves I will switch allegiances all of a sudden and throw away years of emotions and memories? You guys are priceless.
I didn't know our fanbase was so diverse till I came here. I learn something new every day.
I'm not happy with the window but I'm not panicking like many others are.
I get that. Believe me, I understand your perspective and respect it but I have to respect his. He's turning 38 soon and just had the worst season with a club in his life so he asked for assurances which I guess he was satisfied with because he did tell us all at the end of the season he's not finished. Those assurances haven't been met and he has only a couple of years at top-level left. It's amazing he scored so many goals in the premier league while we were playing badly but to do it again for no real chance at a trophy is asking him to give up a lot with so little left.
There's the other side of it that Ferdinand mentioned which is what if he does have personal issues for real? We just have to watch how this plays out.
Your gambit seems to be lurching from thread to thread so that you can stomp your feet about the slightest of criticisms against the club.
The Ronaldo predicament we find ourselves in is not the sort of situation well managed football clubs fall into. Of course it’s a joke; he’s 37, is one of two strikers at the club, and has our bollocks in a vice less than a month before the season starts. Let’s just call a spade here.
Let's hope no one is gullible enough to swallow it
It's nice you believe 'the assurances' stuff which his PR is putting out there.
Its pretty obvious he's basically on strike.
I watch Liverpool for example bring in new upcoming strikers who are clearly on the rise, they do this relatively often and then I see us frequently bringing in players who have had their best days and are clearly on the downward slide and wonder about our people who are supposed to be planning for the future. If Ronaldo wants to go then I would have thought the powers that be would be working hard to find a club willing to take him off our wage bill and already have new, younger, upcoming stars on the rise in their sights.
I think that’s spot on. I guess the converse of “fanboys” didn’t need explaining. ie the worshippers and the “haters” all polluting threads to justify their own opinions. It is what it is I guess.
Agreed. I think the same happened with Sanchez and Maguire and that Pogba tried the same.
Of course we would. At this point terminating his contract is more appealing than keeping him around.
Is he willing to drastically reduce his wage demands? I imagine the rejections he's reportedly getting are due to him not really budging much even though he has more money than he'll ever know what to do with.
Just be more inventive with the moaning. The joke of a club stuff gets kinda repetitive and dare I say it boring?
Send him to the MLS like we did with Schweinsteiger.
I haven't read an article about assurances actually but I know players usually ask for these things if they're considering a move and he clearly had to be with how the season ended. This is how it is with all top players I believe.
That's a nice story for media and his fans.
Ironically, if Ronaldo understood that he is actually 37, and a bit part player in certain games now, he would probably be in a club competing for the biggest prizes now. His ego is too big for his own good. Players like Scholes and Giggs knew that they couldn’t play every minute in their late 30’s but still be important players, and because of this they they were able to finish their careers at an absolute elite team. Well, Scholes atleast. Poor Giggsy should have called it a day in 2013 too.
At the risk of sounding like an amateur shrink I would suggest that the root of Ronaldo's phenomenal determination to succeed is an obvious borderline personality disorder, namely narcissism. He's basically a nut job. Filter all his actions through that and his behaviour makes perfect sense.
Do you know any other 37 year old single handedly rescuing his team multiple times in a season and scoring 28 goals in the process? Do you know anything 37 year old who still score 17 goals in the hardest league in the world?
The team wasn’t “more solid though” no matter how you try to spin it. They were just fortunate to face even weaker versions of Barca and Atletico as competition. Almost all the Real Madrid sides during Ronaldo’s tenure would wipe the floor with the current one. They were far more dominant.
That’s not true. In the 2014 triumph, they saw Schalke off comfortably in the R016 by an aggregate scoreline of 9-2 or something then saw off Dortmund in the QFs (outplayed them at home and almost catapulted in the return leg (albeit in the absence of…you guessed it..Ronaldo)). In the semis they decimated a Pep Bayern 5-0 on aggregate which was the shock result of the round after going in as underdogs. In the final they were anything but outplayed. Atletico grabbed a lucky goal from a Casillas error and parked the bus for the ENTIRE game. As soon as Real Madrid scored the floodgates opened and they dispatched Atletico emphatically.
In 2016, they made the final thanks to Ronaldo as he scored or assisted 77% of the teams goals (!).The final against Atletico, how were they outplayed? It was a 50-50 affair and Atletico bottled the shootout.
In 2017 they had a comfortable RO16, admittedly dodgey QFs against Bayern but they completed blew away Juventus in the final largely thanks to Ronaldo.
I can go on…
Real Madrid haven’t had any CL performances since Ronaldo left with the dominance they had in the games listed in the aforementioned years. Maybe liverpool at home last season, but that’s pushing it. They were absolutely a far superior side and a more fearsome proposition in the CL with him in the team.
I’d argue not since most of his pivotal CL performances came after this. Like the game against Juventus, the Wolfsburg comeback, semi-final masterclass against Atletico, final performance against Juve etc. you’re simply trying too hard to downplay his impact.
I think you are missing the point here
Yes, obviously Ronaldo’s personality and inner drive combined with extreme talent has helped him to become a record breaker, but not even Cristiano Ronaldo can compete against physical laws. I think even Fergie would move him on at a certain time if they had been working together long enough.
Look at how frugal Bayern is being over Lewandowski. Look at how Real Madrid acted when Ronaldo requested an equal contract to Messi's when Ronaldo was still 33. He wants to be a guaranteed starter, 25million a year salary, and focus of the team at the ages of 36/37 even though he can't play a defined role upfront. All in all, no serious club with serious ambitions would cave for those demands. Except for us of course.
Late reply, but he's terrible. I wouldn't rely on him.
I'd imagine that as soon as one of the cultists begins to say that, you'd hear laughter from anyone else within ear shot.
He's throwing himself at every big club in existence and he's getting rejected left and right. If there are no takers, he will tuck his tail and report to training. Yes, his PR team will try everything they can to spin it as though he's back on his volition. But everyone's going to laugh at it.
Why can't we do a swap deal? Mean he wants to go to Champions league club? Maybe swap him plus cash for Antony or Martinez or Barca for de Jong? Win win situation for everyone.
I think its more about pride rather than need for money. He is super rich anyway, reportedly around 500m net worth, and earns around 40-50m yearly from endorsement alone, without even counting his salary.
I don't see why would he care earning another 100-200k less in weekly salary. But if he earn considerably less than the likes of Messi, Neymar, I would imagine that would hurt his pride.
Sorry but our situation wasn’t comparable. We had one of the worlds best young strikers/attackers on our books so we needed a short term option to allow him the time to reach that potential. Liverpool didn’t have anyone like that at their club. It wasn’t the clubs fault that he turned out to be a Cnut of a human, because by god was he an unbelievable talent.
If we get stuck with an unhappy Ronaldo, along with an unsuccessful saga over De Jong, then this summer is a disaster really.
Well you missed my point and went with just one example but Im talking about a history of signing old strikers past their best. A long history of doing it. This has been going on for ages.
I don’t think it’s true though. The only time we signed a really short term striker when we could have gone for a younger option was Van Persie. After that for LVG we signed Martial and discovered Rashford who were both deemed to be massively high potential players. Particularly Martial who had a stellar first season.
When LVG went we backed Mourinho first signed Ibrahimovic (who was brilliant) and then signed a prime age Lukaku. Again the mistake there wasn’t his age it was that he’s shite and never been good enough.
Under Ole Greenwood then broke through as I mentioned and every man and his dog could see he would have been a top top striker long term. Cavani was an older option brought in to support. Ronaldo was an opportunity signing to bring back a legendary player and figure and hope it got us over the line. Again we still had Greenwood in the wings.
Hindsight Is a wonderful thing but the biggest mistake on that list is signing Lukaku, not the older guys. If we had signed a decent striker that Lukaku summer then he’d still be here now, instead we got a useless lump.
You have a habit of not reading what people write.
Why are you being dense? You said we have a long history of signing “old strikers past their best” which 1) is bullshite and 2) ignores any context which I kindly explained to you.
I'm not sure i fully agree with him because it's harsh, but we did sign our Zlatans and Cavanis.
Yes and there’s nothing wrong with that per se provided the context is there. We don’t sign people in a vacuum. Zlatan was a brilliant signing, great mentality and almost single-handedly won us the league cup and Europa. Cavani was a decent stop gap while we waited for Greenwood to develop, the club would never have predicted how that ended up. Context is key as with everything. The big issue is signing dross like Lukaku for mega bucks.
Let me describe Real Madrid and Ronaldo's UCL winning campaigns:
2013/14:
Played weak teams in the form of schalke (and Dortmund (who finished 21 pts behind Bayern) in Rd 16 and qf but Real and Ronaldo got the job done.
In the semi fair enough the won against a good side. But Guardiola's Barcs tactics in the absence of Barca type players was found out; a high line plus wide central defenders without players with the same technical ability against a counter attacking side was fatal. As for Ronaldo, he scored twice: the first was purely due Bale's selflessness and Ronaldo making sure he was the chief beneficiary. His second was a good free kick, credit where its due. Other than that, his performance wasn't really memorable.
As for the final, Real were lucky in the end to win it and Ronaldo was probably the worst player on yhe pitch.
2015/16:
Ronaldo was good against Roma in q16 both legs. Roma themselves missed a dozen sitters in both legs. Hardly dominant from Real but so typical of them in the ucl.
In the quarter finals, Real and Ronaldo were poor in the first leg vs a very poor Wolfsburg side. In the second leg, Real turned it around courtesy of a hattrick from Ronaldo that was as jammy as can be. Other than that, his and Real Madrid's performance was nothing to write home about.
In the semi, Ronaldo was anonymous vs a city side that wasn't really great. And ofcourse, if he doesn't score, you forget he is on the pitch.
In the final, again Real were saved by a last minute goal by Ramos. Ronaldo himself was quite poor.
2016/17:
This one I give you. Both Ronaldo and Real Madrid deserved to win and Ronaldo's goals were the most important reason for the ucl win. The only lucky game for Madrid was vs Bayern. By this time, Ronaldo had perfected the art of poaching.
2017/18:
Other than that game in Turin, Ronaldo wasn't great (despite his goals vs psg in R16)and actually was terrible in the semis and the final. Perhaps the worst player on the pitch.
In summary Real Madrids UCL wins had significant luck, significant goals from Ronaldo/Benzema/Bale/Ramos and a few good performances.
They often rode luck or depended on someone to score a last minute goals to win the competition and yhe same was true last season.
On the contrary other teams like ourselves in 2008, Barcelona, Bayern were the best teams in their ucl winning seasons.
The lads got a family emergency going on ffs
Give him a break
Give him a break
Probably not really a source but Stephen Howson seems pretty certain he's going in his latest video, and seeing as he's buddy buddies with Rio, does make me think personally.
I just want us to know sooner rather than later. The family emergency business dirties the water somewhat. I do believe that's a real thing.
I just want us to know sooner rather than later. The family emergency business dirties the water somewhat. I do believe that's a real thing.
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