RepardReece
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Okay let's do it your way.
"Always another excuse isn't there, that's pathetic."
Why did we score twice vs Liverpool last year but didnt do anything this year? Isn't Ronaldo the better striker? Please don't make excuses.
"There are many other systems, hell, this obsession with pressing wasn't even in the game 10 years ago. Games evolved but pressing isn't the only tactical setup in the world, and it won't be the last revolutionary setup either."
You basically talking about football 10 years ago and how we shouldn't press because it didn't exist 10 years ago as a way of defending Ronaldo. Crazy stuff.
Like I have mentioned in a previous post, according to reports no players were happy to play aggressively and press that game, their lack of practice with the setup is more of the issue with that than just bloody Ronaldo.
According to what reports? The 4231 pressing system where the press is led by the number 9 or more realistically- the player closest to the ball so its only the number 9 when its at the opposition CB'S feet is not an Ole made tactic. Its how you play and press in a 4231.
Some guy posted it to defend Ronaldo but it actually shows what he does not do. He does not position himself inbetween the central two defenders because he likes staying at the left hand side of the pitch as he scores at an angle like a striker version of Robben. And 3.5 presses a match in the PL. Lowest in the league.
If you think Ronaldo is the sole problem with that formation you are deluded. It's not the fact he isn't pressing, it's the fact that all of Ronaldo, Bruno, Rashford, and Greenwood are ahead of the ball when we are defending, leaving a massive gap for teams to overload us. You highlight that yourself (The opposition are able to get past the first 4 players completely ) and then fully blame Ronaldo for that, like what? It's all 4 fecking players, jesus.
Great stuff. So you bring up last season where we had no problem bloody playing in a 424. No one .entitled that crap once. No one said the defending was great but still.
if we played a 433 and Bruno was the one who was going from CAM forward way too much every single game then it would be him who made us play a 424.
however we play a 4231. Rashford, Bruno and Greenwood are all supposed to be on the same level and Ronaldo is supposed to lead the line as a number 9. So you have basically blamed all of Rashford, Bruno Greenwood, Even Sancho and Martial and whoever played in this 4231 behind the level of the striker this season because they got too high up with Ronaldo rather than blaming Ronaldo for not pressing high up at all when his stats shows he is the lowest pressing player in the Premier league.
blame everyone for getting up and playing at Ronaldo's length of the pitch and it's them causing a bloody 424.
was amazing seeing it last season wasnt it. Nope not at all. Didn't exist. 424 wasn't there last season because neither did Ronaldo.
Ronaldo is some God here who can shit at old Trafford and people would still be on the floor on all fours saying it smells absolutely wonderful.
You win, according to reports and shit.
Why did we score twice vs Liverpool last year but didnt do anything this year? Isn't Ronaldo the better striker? Please don't make excuses.
Oh come on, so this whole defensive failure has now turned into attacking failure has it? Honestly, this links back to the whole point that your argument is totally useless until we have a manager that can actually implement a tactical setup. There's a whole bloody reason why many many people have been calling united "individual moments FC" etc for well over a year. Also, he was the only one to put the ball in the back of the net against them at the weekend, offside or not.
You basically talking about football 10 years ago and how we shouldn't press because it didn't exist 10 years ago as a way of defending Ronaldo. Crazy stuff.
No, not at all, i'm making my point by saying that pressing is not the only tactical setup in the world.
According to what reports?
There's been many tweets on other threads coming out saying the players were questioning the setup and weren't happy about it, feel free to dig them out yourself.
Yeah - no idea what your last comment is about, to be honest, can't make sense of all that load of nonsense.
I'll go back to an edit I made to a previous post earlier surrounding one of your comments -
Madrid 16-18. 2 CLs. He's played the exact same way since 2016 and has won 2 champions leagues, la liga and 2 serie a's, personal accolades and other various cup titles.
But no, Ronaldo is the issue of a problem that has been evident since before he joined the club.
Look, you ain't changing your mind, I ain't changing mine.
IMO there is absolutely no need in slandering players when we don't have a clue what the team's tactical setup is, and everyone is all over the place. There's a reason why most of our current players perform better in internationals, and that's due to the root cause - Ole, not Ronaldo. get a proper system in place and he'll win you plenty of games, and has already won us 2 back to back CL games despite having such a poor setup.