Thing is he is a guaranteed starter, when Cavani is unreliable, Marcus is shocking and Greenwood a convict..
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are joined by special guest Anders (@Lyng) to celebrate the news that ETH is staying put! They also talk about the Euros so far, with special attention on England, Scotland and Denmark. They then finish with some transfer talk and the potential comings and outgoings at Old Trafford.
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Scores hattrick against tottenham and has a good game in the CL:
'he needs to be told hes not a starter'
'he needs to be told hes not a starter'
Don’t see the harm in him staying on if we buy some more good players, but I fear the Glazers will use his name as a way of not buying supportive players to have around him in attack and strengthen in some other positions which wouldn’t help with our goal scoring.
This isn’t a thread for sense, Relevated.
We should do what Roy Keane said on Sunday and surround him with talent, not force him to play every minute..
Force him ? He demands to play every minute. Throws strops when subbed, FFS. He doesn’t understand that he doesn’t have it in him anymore due to his massive ego.
Nonononono! We cannot build a team around a 37 year old. It's wrong on all possible levels.
But he won five awards and five trophies. And he scored a hat trick. AND he had a really good game the other day.
That second stat is hardly even believable.
Considering the dross in the team..particularly attack, who shouldn’t he be guaranteed to start over?
I think the hat trick against Spurs proves your theory wrong
No one’s saying build a team around him, but we need more quality in attack that actually contributes.
I agree, he 'shouldnt' start every minute
But who would people put in his place?
Do we throw Elanga there? We cant really play Rashford there or Lingard there.
Mason situation... well
And Cavani I would have thought is the obvious one. But hes been a disaster this season (as expected when we begged him to stay an extra year than he wanted). And Martial is out on loan.
Were in a situation of our own doing, but we need him to play.
But who would people put in his place?
Do we throw Elanga there? We cant really play Rashford there or Lingard there.
Mason situation... well
And Cavani I would have thought is the obvious one. But hes been a disaster this season (as expected when we begged him to stay an extra year than he wanted). And Martial is out on loan.
Were in a situation of our own doing, but we need him to play.
Yes and what about the previous two months in which he’s scored four goals total including that hat trick ? What does that prove ?
Really it's fairly simple: if he expects to be a first choice player next season, we have a problem. If he's happy roatating in and out of the team, we don't. That's up to him but he absolutely shouldn't be our first choice CF next season.
But that's next season, when we'll have actually signed a CF. Right now we need him, because we barely have anyone else. So we should try and get as much out of him as we can.
But that's next season, when we'll have actually signed a CF. Right now we need him, because we barely have anyone else. So we should try and get as much out of him as we can.
Proves that there is no one else contributing as I said in my previous post, do keep up..
What does the other 11 games he's played in 2022 prove to you (1 goal against Brighton, 0 assists and still lowest in the league in pressing numbers)?
We are constantly losing terain to our closest competitors.
If game deciding hattricks was his trade week in and week out for us, no one would have any complaints, even if our football wasn't the best. That is not the case though. In 2 out of 3 games he's the most wasteful forward in the league and he takes too much focus in our attack. Against Spurs, a game we didn't play well in, he took 8 of the 10 shots.....
I'm not going to even bother to check this stat online to call utter BS.
He scored a hat trick but has still missed more open goals than he’s netted in the past two months plus of 2022.
A few of those were really costly as well.
A striker takes shots, shoot him!
If Bruno, Sancho and Rashford were converting also in those games it wouldn’t even be a problem, not ever striker scores every game you know.
Bruno has also missed sitters and Sancho skyed it against Atletico and don’t even talk about Rashford’s finishing lately.
No doubt he wasn’t in the best form it happens, but combined with the rest of the team it just makes it look worse.
True but we’re talking about Ronaldo. The bloke who is on massive wages and expects to start every match at CF despite the fact that neither his body nor his overall play are up to the task anymore.
As @sullydnl said, we are in trouble if he is leading the line for us next season. No matter how much we strengthen in other areas.
I think we need another quality striker, I like the look of Victor Osimhen whenever I seen him but he’ll cost a lot of money.
But, who are we kidding we need at the very least 4-5 first teamers and the Glazers aren’t going to finance that, it’s why I fear the Ronaldo name will carry them on underspending, when we all know it won’t work without help.
Nkunku the dream for me. Does it all and can play across the front line or even in place of Bruno.
This summer will either be the beginning of the first proper rebuild post-SAF or we will see things unravel like never before as the rot has well and truly set in thanks to years of incompetence.
Yeah Nkunku would be a good choice as well, someone that can support Ronaldo in the short term with a vision of being the main man in the future.
You're leaving with the club with too much to do in one summer. Greenwood, Pogba, Lingard, Cavani all out for nothing. Ronaldo in this scenario out for mere compensation. United also need at least one CM desperately.
I think we need to be realistic
I am not talking about this season. I am talking about the next one. The new manager shouldn't be sadled with the idea that Ronnie must always play. He should be given the freedom and authority to make that decision himself, free of any pressure. That can only be achieved if Ronaldo's expectations are managed.
Yeah definitely need to be realistic in terms of what we can do this summer. Really we need a defensive midfielder, which I assume will be the biggest priority, we probably need another midfielder to replace pogba, as he's all but certainly leaving. We need a right back, we need a right winger since Sancho has taken up the spot on the left and playing better there. We also need a replacement for Maguire and a striker.
But Maguire won't get replaced imo because we spent too much to just admit failure and Ronaldo has scored nearly 20 goals for us this year with 9 games left. Now we would be much better off with a younger better striker, but for me, the other positions are more of a pressing issue, and obviously a striker is usually going to be more expensive.
So even just a right back, defensive midfielder, midfielder and right winger are going to run £200m plus if they're going to be good enough to improve us. So no way I see us replacing Maguire or Ronaldo, unless it's an ighalo type of signing just to rotate with Ronaldo, but for me he's going to be the first choice striker next year, mostly because other areas are in more pressing need of change, and other than maybe PSG, but probably not them after how Messi has worked out, I don't see any big team signing Ronaldo at 37. So since he'll be here another year he will get used.
Why bother calling something BS without even bothering to check? How can that in any way contribute to a healthy debate or discussion?
I have several unofficial sources operating with the same numbers, none official though. He is widely considered the goat of direct freekicks and I have no scources of any other free kick conversion rate for him at Lyon.
Even if it was 4 times lower it would prove my point.
I would even take it as far as claiming that most amateur footballers with a half decent foot would score more than 1 in the 72 tries Ronaldo has had on freekicks in League games since the start of the 17/18 season. His record in freekicks in league games the last 5 years is that shocking.
That’s fair enough. I agree
What about all the gilt edged chances he's missed in that time? By my last check he's still the player with the second most shots at goal in the PL after Salah. His Xg in the league has been poor
His xG has actually been quite good: best in the league except for Liverpool-players.
It's his goals vs. xG that is shocking - His finishing has been extremely bad the last 4 months with the exceptions of the Spurs game and his wondergoal against Brighton.
Weird how being available to play almost every game is considered to be a bad thing on here. Also weird how wanting to play every game is a bad thing. Thank God we don't have that problem with the rest of our forwards!
We should be sure to find more players this summer who really aren't bothered whether they play or not, so long as they get paid. That would be a big improvement.
Too right, thanks for polishing that up for me
Do you really believe our other attacking players and especially the young ones are happy to spend most of their developing or "going into their prime" years on the bench? That's obviously one of the bigger problems with signing a 36 year old who demands to play when fit who is only going to get worse with time..... If you don't see why this is a problem, then good luck to you.
Didn't that hat trick come after he had been out of the team and was fully rested?
Just to play Devil's advocate here.
People are referencing Ronaldo's age - and wrongly calling him 38. He turned 37 last bloody month - he's not 38 and you're speaking about him as if he's some old man who can't keep up. He just single handedly destroyed spurs, he's sprinting speed is still rapid - earlier in the season he covered the length of the pitch is 12 seconds in the 87th minute. If his fitness isn't an issue then i'm not sure why his age is. He's not a Rooney or Tevez here. He's an anomaly. He's kept himself in the best physical condition you could ask. His body is not that of a typical 37 year old footballer. Giggs was in a similar mould and played until 40. We can absolutely keep Ronaldo as a first team played for another 3 years.
Yes, it would be good to rotate him with another striker to keep him fresher but he should be starting for us. I do wonder which forwards people think are out there that are an actual upgrade on Ronaldo that we could get? People complain that he demands to play every game, the guy has scored 807 goals. He's done this because he's driven, of course he wants to play. People complain about Cavani being injured all the time. Here we have one of (and still is) the greatest goal scorers in the modern game who is available for 99% of matches and this is the guy people have an issue with? We should be surrounding him with talent like Keane says and getting in cover to keep him as a starter for as long as possible. Because a fresh Ronaldo is a different beast, and one who'll win you trophies.
People are referencing Ronaldo's age - and wrongly calling him 38. He turned 37 last bloody month - he's not 38 and you're speaking about him as if he's some old man who can't keep up. He just single handedly destroyed spurs, he's sprinting speed is still rapid - earlier in the season he covered the length of the pitch is 12 seconds in the 87th minute. If his fitness isn't an issue then i'm not sure why his age is. He's not a Rooney or Tevez here. He's an anomaly. He's kept himself in the best physical condition you could ask. His body is not that of a typical 37 year old footballer. Giggs was in a similar mould and played until 40. We can absolutely keep Ronaldo as a first team played for another 3 years.
Yes, it would be good to rotate him with another striker to keep him fresher but he should be starting for us. I do wonder which forwards people think are out there that are an actual upgrade on Ronaldo that we could get? People complain that he demands to play every game, the guy has scored 807 goals. He's done this because he's driven, of course he wants to play. People complain about Cavani being injured all the time. Here we have one of (and still is) the greatest goal scorers in the modern game who is available for 99% of matches and this is the guy people have an issue with? We should be surrounding him with talent like Keane says and getting in cover to keep him as a starter for as long as possible. Because a fresh Ronaldo is a different beast, and one who'll win you trophies.
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