That Declan Rice “100% CR7” taking pens comment on The Overview aged well.
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Well over 100 goals, won the champions league (and scoring in the final), multiple league titles, among other trophies, won the balon dor with us.
Neh not remotely close to being a legend.
Can you even have a United legend who's dream all along was to play for Real Madrid? Surely a legend is defined as someone who gave their all to the club and won stuff. Ronaldo has won more at United than a lot of united players in history, he certainly never gave his all to united though. Its a tough one. I suppose for me he could be a legend because of the Champions leagues and premier leagues that he helped us win. He will always be remembered as a self-serving player for me though. His skills and work ethic are undeniable as a footballer but he is all about himself and not the team that's for sure. How many clubs has he played for now?
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2 goals in 8 games since Rangnick has taken over. 1 non penalty goal.
Heros are for the moment. Legends are timeless.
Ronaldo was a United hero in 2008. But his legend will only live on forever in Madrid. If you asked him to pick only one stadium to have statue of himself, it wouldn't be Old Trafford. So why should we feel an unequal reverence towards him?
Real are the team he cares about most, the team he sacrificed himself for most, and the team he dedicated himself to during his prime. That's fine. Lots of players I love did similarly. But it does disqualify him and them from legend status, imo
Ronaldo was a United hero in 2008. But his legend will only live on forever in Madrid. If you asked him to pick only one stadium to have statue of himself, it wouldn't be Old Trafford. So why should we feel an unequal reverence towards him?
Real are the team he cares about most, the team he sacrificed himself for most, and the team he dedicated himself to during his prime. That's fine. Lots of players I love did similarly. But it does disqualify him and them from legend status, imo
Looks like poster was right:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/unpopular-opinion-ronaldo-will-be-a-huge-miss.465183/
Also, not sure why that thread is locked? We seem to be worse than RAWK FFS locking up every thread we don't like.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/unpopular-opinion-ronaldo-will-be-a-huge-miss.465183/
Also, not sure why that thread is locked? We seem to be worse than RAWK FFS locking up every thread we don't like.
Absolute Legend but probably made the right move coming here if City was an option. No way would be playing regularly for Pep. At this point of his career, he’s playing off his name and if we are really honest currently is offering very little than his earlier form in the season. There have been a string of poor performances now in his all round play and if he’s not scoring, not really offering much more.
The problem with going back to ‘ex’s’, often the relationship is based on trying to build on what was good in the past. The problem is, that’s exactly what it is…..
The problem with going back to ‘ex’s’, often the relationship is based on trying to build on what was good in the past. The problem is, that’s exactly what it is…..
I wish he was at City. He's done.
I mentioned last night that we have been pretty rubbish since Ronaldo's return. Someone jumped on me for 'blaming Ronaldo' but I think that its more complicated than that. There are many factors to being a good team.
He's having a worse season than Rooney 13/14, Ibra 16/17, Lukaku 17/18, and Martial 19/20.
That's just taking our regular strikers post-Fergie. RVP in 13/4 and Cavani last season also were better than this Ronaldo.
Been done for years and needs a whole team playing for him but unfortunately now he doesn’t deliver.
Hopefully him and Cavani leave in the summer. It’s like having 2015 Rooney again.
Hopefully him and Cavani leave in the summer. It’s like having 2015 Rooney again.
There is something quite unhealthy about being in a relationship so that no one else can have them. It never ends well. In the past, we could have romantic signings and often SAF would sign players that were older on the decline but you got a sense he always wanted to work with them. This is not that team where the pieces around them can compensate for the inadequacies.
My other issue is a bit like when we had Zlatan, we became so predictable as it felt players they had to look for them all the time.
My other issue is a bit like when we had Zlatan, we became so predictable as it felt players they had to look for them all the time.
It is what it is. We signed him to stop City for getting him. It was in some way understandable because City could carry him to the title and would even had a chance of winning CL with him. The prospect of Ronaldo of all people joining them and lifting titles in a blue shirt sounded awful and they would milk it as far as they could. They could afford to have him as a luxury and it would seal power shifting on a global scale in some sense.
However, this is why you need to have people willing to make hard and unemotional decisions which are for the benefit of the club. In our case though, the club during the summer fully believed that Ole is the man for long-term success along with the decision to bring him back which is pretty mental all together.
You could argue with hindsight, there are reasons to believe he would actually made City worse based on what we are seeing. At the very least, he would be a lot more on the bench and could possibly disrupt the dressing room. Not that far fetched scenario because the decision to try and bring him in by City wasn't fully based on footballing reasons either.
I would start to bench him in some games. We need to see if he is willing to accept reduced role because there is still 1 year left on his big, fat contract and the prospect of this same situation next season looks scary atm.
However, this is why you need to have people willing to make hard and unemotional decisions which are for the benefit of the club. In our case though, the club during the summer fully believed that Ole is the man for long-term success along with the decision to bring him back which is pretty mental all together.
You could argue with hindsight, there are reasons to believe he would actually made City worse based on what we are seeing. At the very least, he would be a lot more on the bench and could possibly disrupt the dressing room. Not that far fetched scenario because the decision to try and bring him in by City wasn't fully based on footballing reasons either.
I would start to bench him in some games. We need to see if he is willing to accept reduced role because there is still 1 year left on his big, fat contract and the prospect of this same situation next season looks scary atm.
Scary thing is he’ll finish our top scorer probably tripling the goals of the player in second.
Last night was an off night for the whole team, we play that game identical and we not only win 9/10 times but we win by about 5 goals.
The Balon D'Or, is an individual honour, and thus should have no relevance. Neither does the scorned lover argument that he left for Madrid "in his prime" when arguing the other side.Well over 100 goals, won the champions league (and scoring in the final), multiple league titles, among other trophies, won the balon dor with us.
Neh not remotely close to being a legend.
He's won more than I expected, but there are other players who won more than 3 league titles that are not considered legends. Gary Pallister and Nicky Butt won more, but are not universally seen as a United legends. He was never scathing towards United, and staying for 6 years is a very decent stretch of time. But his loyalty was more to a manager than the club itself - and he made that publicly known.
I feel like Ronaldo is literally the cutoff point United legend, where he probably qualifies by the absolute skin of his teeth.
After Sanchez it was Ole and Woodward giving it all “cultural reboot” and “we’ve got on top of our recruitment”, but then as soon as there was a hint Ronaldo might go to City they went daft again. I’d be very surprised if City were seriously going for him. Why would they do that at this stage of his career, given Pep is their manager? Wonder if you can get rid of Ronaldo the summer. I think it would be the best thing, really.
Indeed.
And the key thing is that even if his goalscoring inproves, it's still off-set by how relatively little he offers in general play. I suspect he'll start scoring again relatively soon but he'd have to score a lot to justify his current status in the side.
Looking at the other players with Ronaldo's number of league goals or more this season, how many offer as little to their side in general play as Ronaldo does? Salah, Jota, Vardy, Antonio, Dennis, Raphinha, Mane, Smith-Rowe, Son.
Should Bruno be back on penalties? Only reason he was taken off is because he missed one and now Ronaldo has also missed one. Bruno has scored 21 out of 23 for United and showed that he hasn't lost his touch in the shootout.
Absolutely. He shouldn't have been taken off penalty duty. Will it happen? If Ronaldo lets him. This is part of the problem.
Think this thread is a little OTT
He has been getting into the right positions, his finishing has largely been the thing that's let him down recently. He could have had a hat-trick last night in all honesty.
But his decline in front of goal is something we've seen across our forwards since Ralf came in. Goals have dried up a bit and - oddly, given the problem areas under Ole - it's the area that's giving us more headaches than the defence and midfield.
I'd say give it time and allow Ralf to work on it, he's already improved all the other areas of our game. That said, knowing how his teams tend to play, Ronaldo does seem an ill fit.
He has been getting into the right positions, his finishing has largely been the thing that's let him down recently. He could have had a hat-trick last night in all honesty.
But his decline in front of goal is something we've seen across our forwards since Ralf came in. Goals have dried up a bit and - oddly, given the problem areas under Ole - it's the area that's giving us more headaches than the defence and midfield.
I'd say give it time and allow Ralf to work on it, he's already improved all the other areas of our game. That said, knowing how his teams tend to play, Ronaldo does seem an ill fit.
I think the thread is fair. We are paying for a world class goal scorer.
Agreed, outside of his finishing I think that he has been fairly good. He does what he should but the last passes and shots are subpar.
Excellent, so both agree he certainly isn’t “no where near a legend”.
Oh thank God, I thought I was seeing something else to everyone else, and thought his link up play was fine too.
If he had his finishing boots on then this would be a different conversation. Thought he got himself into good positions but he is just out of form. He will be alright.
Well yeah. A decent squad option but not worth his wages.
Agreed. The issue is far more than his subpar finishing these days. He offers much less in overall play than any top forward does, which is exactly the issue. As you said, every single one of the players you mentioned offers more to their teams, leaving aside the fact that they've scored more.
Against Middlesbrough, he really contributed almost nothing and a scored penalty would have only masked another substandard display.
He’s been about as useful as Lukaku was in his first season. Which is to say a respectable goal tally that masks how somewhat disappointing he’s been otherwise. He likely won’t even match Lukaku’s haul now we’re out of the cup. Though in fairness he has scored in clutch European situations, or against Arsenal & Spurs… things which Lukaku rarely or ever did.
If his goal was to stay just above Messi’s performance levels in France then, achieved! But not sure if id be super enthused or super concerned about keeping or losing him next season… at present.
If his goal was to stay just above Messi’s performance levels in France then, achieved! But not sure if id be super enthused or super concerned about keeping or losing him next season… at present.
On current form deserves a stint on the bench, be interesting to see if we keep playing him, although we’re not blessed with options.
Bad night all round but he’s been a key player this season scoring important goals (which maybe says more about the squad than him). His radar was off and in a game where all you need him to do is take the couple of chances that fall his way, he came up short.
Obviously if it continues we need to bench him but with Rashford having an equally bad night, Cavani unable/unwilling to play every match and our other strikers absent I don’t see much choice for Rangnick but to persevere and make it work.
We’ve definitely gone from being over stacked in the striker position, to it being a critical position in the summer window again. I wonder if Ronaldo will want to stay on or if he’ll move to the MLS to break records there.
Obviously if it continues we need to bench him but with Rashford having an equally bad night, Cavani unable/unwilling to play every match and our other strikers absent I don’t see much choice for Rangnick but to persevere and make it work.
We’ve definitely gone from being over stacked in the striker position, to it being a critical position in the summer window again. I wonder if Ronaldo will want to stay on or if he’ll move to the MLS to break records there.
His league form is very mixed but ultimately his success this season will be judged on how we do in the Champions League. He has already contributed massively to that and I don't think it would surprise anyone if he scored an important goal against Atletico, if we somehow fluked our way to the Semis and he played a part then it would exceed expectations.
He is Mr. CL, but considering he's our main striker how he does in the league is pretty important as well even though we've been reduced to aiming for the top 4 trophy yet again. I would never bet against Ronaldo in the CL even at this age, but we've been outplayed by both the strong teams and lots of lesser teams this season. However Athletico doesn't seem very strong this season either.
Who’s fault is it this week that he’s stunk the place out? Surely someone else is to blame for his terrible penalty? It can’t be his own fault.
Also that “SIUUU” during the shootout was tragic, clearly plenty of tourists in. Only thing missing was his usual acolytes bumping his thread here with the token SIUUU after the shootout kick (I await their explanation for why he’s still the best etc etc). Can’t pass can’t dribble, can barely finish now and can’t be dropped - it’s a sorry state of affairs.
Also that “SIUUU” during the shootout was tragic, clearly plenty of tourists in. Only thing missing was his usual acolytes bumping his thread here with the token SIUUU after the shootout kick (I await their explanation for why he’s still the best etc etc). Can’t pass can’t dribble, can barely finish now and can’t be dropped - it’s a sorry state of affairs.
Why does he always look like he's stumbling when running with/chasing a ball.
He’s 37 years old.
Ralf needs to bench him for now. Cristano is out of form. We are entering that defining time of the season where every point lost could cost millions. If he finds his form, then start him. Until then, he is a super sub at best.
The state of this.
But the whole argument though will be that will just wear down his confidence since he's desperate for some goals.
I know mate. But we could not care less, could we? He is deteriorating very fast, so needs to see the bench way more.
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