It's from one year ago, you did notice that right ?RASH SENTIMENT
Marcus Rashford adamant Man Utd have to win title or they’ll be FAILURES
Rashford said: “It is going to be a good feeling if we manage to win the league — but if we finish second or third, then it’s not going to be a good season for us.
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He’s 100% part of it as well as I’ve pointed out before.It's always someone else's problem and never him
My point is he is far from the main one and saying he is is a very lazy excuse for a poorly run club which have been poor and very far off from competing for any major for 8 years now.
We're worse with him than without him. That's all I'm interested in. Elite players elevate their teams. They don't make them worse.
The club has lots of problems. Management gets criticised in the appropriate thread. Players get criticized in the player threads. The fact that there is more than one problem in the club has nothing to do with the fact that he's an enormous part of is.
You could talk about how poor the team has been on the pitch, but it performed better before he joined. If the team is a mess, then it must be a bigger mess with him.
Rashfird isn’t reliable in terms of pressing. He does it sometimes with his pace, but most other time he seems doesn’t give a shite.
Greenwood is young so we could hope he would improve. But the fact that he is among the least in terms of pressing in the league, despite his young age (energetic), doesn’t look good.
Sancho is the only who get a pass in pressing, only problem is that he has been shite in everything else for us.
At some point it starts to appear that there’s a recurring theme here…
What’s the point you’re making? If Ronaldo said “we have to win the league or it’s a failure” when we sit in 7th you realise that would be a stupid statement to make? Basically he would be accused of saying the season is a failure already. We were close to the top a year ago. Now we’re not.RASH SENTIMENT
Marcus Rashford adamant Man Utd have to win title or they’ll be FAILURES
Rashford said: “It is going to be a good feeling if we manage to win the league — but if we finish second or third, then it’s not going to be a good season for us.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...rd-man-utd-premier-league-title-failures/amp/
Not really sure if Allegri or Sarri qualify.
Indeed, the logic they use is beyond stupid, because based on that logic, United would be dead last and relegated if not for De Gea and his saves, and United will play keeperless and play with 10 man all the time
We did get to the CL KO stages with him, yes. How we would have done in the groupstages without him we don't know. Could have been better could have been worse. The fact is that we don't know if we'd be in the KO stage without him.
Do you really think this is about Messi vs. Ronaldo?
This is about a squad that performs several levels below it's potential.
Exactly right.
I don't think that makes much sense. Obviously what you can achieve from the midpoint of the season in is different to what you can achieve when the season starts. Getting fourth from where we are now would be a really good achievement for the remaining half-season, which would nevertheless still leave the first half of the season a fiasco. If anyone were to think ahead of next season that we could do the same thing again and call that a good season, that wouldn't be consistent use of logic, it would be a complete lack of it. Aims at the beginning of the season is obviously something totally different than aims at the midpoint.
"Rebounding strongly after a poor start" is the only kind of success still open to us this season. So what else could they possibly aim for? Would it be better if they took the attitude "we're not gonna win it this year so who cares how the second half goes"?
Thanks for link. (It doesn't seem to deliver what the poster described though.)
What exactly were we achieving before he showed up apart from arbitrarily “playing better.”
We bottled the Europa league final & didn’t make it out of our CL last season. He’s the sole reason we’ve managed to reach the KO rounds this time round.
In that scenario, how would you describe the season (as a whole)? Let's say that a perennial top 4 team is dead last at 20th spot with 0 points after 11 matches but finishes strongly and has a much better 2nd half than first, and finishes 12th.
I wouldn't categorize the 12th placed finish as an achievement because I wouldn't isolate the second half. There are 38 matches to play with no demarcation at the half way point. The way I see it, it doesn't really matter what the pattern of results is. The only thing that matters is the points total and final position.
I understand that if you look at things specifically from the halfway point onwards, getting 12th spot after a disastrous first half to the season would be a success, but I'm not sure why anyone would do that.
He isn't. But he is the sole reason we went from 2nd spot. And he better pick up his play, otherwise we won't match last year's result.
You can't honestly say he's the sole reason. The whole team has been shite apart from DDG.
A season like that I'd describe as "mixed, and not on the whole a success". Which I'd hugely prefer to, for instance, "a season of misery from beginning to end".
If we're talking about targets and aims at this point in time, what the feck else can you be looking at than the halfway point onwards? The first half of the season has already been played. There's nothing to do about it, hence it is totally irrelevant to the concept of aims and targets. So let me ask you again: Do you really think it's a smart way to approach the remainder of the season to already decide that even if it goes very well indeed (which it'll have to if we're going to get top 4, in all likelihood), that isn't an achievement? You'd just as well we finished 9th?
I can remember when Fergie dropped Berbatov who was having a good individual season and went with Rooney + Hernandez upfront because he wanted United to be dynamic and Berbatov didn't have that energy and pace. For me it's a bit the same with Ronnie now, the difference is though that our other forwards aren't consistent in scoring at all.
I think the smart way would be to try to win every remaining match and finish as high on the table as possible. What does that have to do with the fact that finishing 4th (even if we improve our play in the second half of the season) wouldn't be something to look back on as a success?
As far as your last question goes, I would rather finish first. Why would I just as well rather finish 9th than 4th? Why would the fact that a 9th place finish is more disappointing than 4th placed finish mean that I have to view the latter as an achievement?
The level of ability in our group this season compared to last season is very different.
Unless your saying Villareal and Atalanta can be compared to Leipzig and PSG.
He definitely isn't the sole reason for our abject performances and results, but he's definitely a major issue. He's a very one-dimensional player who the rest of the team has to cater for. Buffon and Bonucci said something along the lines of Ronaldo adversely affecting the other players in the sense that because his profile is so large and all-encompassing that they felt as if his presence alone would win them games. You can sort of see it with Bruno whacking it into him for a header whenever he's on the ball and in relative proximity to the box.
Because it is, of course. To get there, we would probably have to be really good for the remainder of the season. We're not a lot of points behind considering our games in hand, but there are three other good teams in the same bracket and we'd have to significantly outperform all of them. It is genuinely hard to achieve, even if the team starts performing up to its talent level. And how good we manage to be for the rest of the season is, at this point, the only measure of success left.
Look at Liverpool last year. They had a hugely disappointing season, to the extent that Klopp at one point went on record saying it was now difficult to believe they could still make the top 4. But they did. Do I think Liverpool therefore considered the season a success? Nope. Do I think they consider it an achievement to have finished third, from the position they were in when Klopp said that? You bet. And they should, too.
It's not like our brains are hard-wired to think solely in terms of whole seasons or that this is the only objective reality. It also isn't like it's impossible to have more than one thought in your head at the same time. To think, simultaneously, that this was a dud of a season and that we did well in the second part of it to get into 4th is no contradiction whatsoever.
Unhappy that he/the club/the rest of the players waited till the shit hit the fan before coming out and saying they support the manager. Luke Shaw with his fuking deer in the headlights interview.
RR takes over, all the players should knuckle down or stay quiet. Being professional is to immediately come out and say, “now is not the time for talking, we are all behind the new manager, excited to see his methods, will work hard blah blah great club...back where it belongs...” then shut up.
This drip feeding of the narrative just keeps us in the limelight and keeps every bad touch under scrutiny.
RR takes over, all the players should knuckle down or stay quiet. Being professional is to immediately come out and say, “now is not the time for talking, we are all behind the new manager, excited to see his methods, will work hard blah blah great club...back where it belongs...” then shut up.
This drip feeding of the narrative just keeps us in the limelight and keeps every bad touch under scrutiny.
Yep, a professional who scored 800+ goals, the top scorer in the history of the game, our top-scorer this season, looks after his body and fitness like a maniac, has an elite winning mentality, without him we'd be out of CL and I don't even know how low we'd be in the league, yet you have posters here slating him, it's beyond stupid. Instead of playing to his abilities like we did with RvP in SAF's last season, people here want Greenwood and Rashford to start ahead of him
He's just applying the same logic as those who says Ronaldo is the sole reason we are in the KO's of the CL.
the same Juventus that is struggling after Ronaldo left? I find these kind of statements irrational to be honest. Is it his fault that he is arguably the best player of all time? The issue with the team is the whole team and the manager. Not sure why him being someone who can win games would impact the performance of other players… salah can win liverpool games but other players step up and perform; having a star player in a team is normal. The problem is the demotivation and lack of consistency in the team. The manager plays a role in this (i’ll never side with players against the manager for sure, but the manager is also to blame for where the team is). The players aren’t to be spared either. Like ronaldo said, this generation of young players do not accept criticism like before. Back in the day, keane would’ve had a go at ronaldo and ronaldo would’ve taken it and upped his game. Players these days are too fragile. I’m someone who’s been watching united and the premier league for 25 years, the players back then were men, players these days are kids. Unfortunately, that is a fact that we need to adapt to, and at united, we haven’t found the right solution yet
Do you think buying a 36 year old, putting him on top of the wage list and change the way we play to adapt to him was a wise decision?Yep, a professional who scored 800+ goals, the top scorer in the history of the game, our top-scorer this season, looks after his body and fitness like a maniac, has an elite winning mentality, without him we'd be out of CL and I don't even know how low we'd be in the league, yet you have posters here slating him, it's beyond stupid. Instead of playing to his abilities like we did with RvP in SAF's last season, people here want Greenwood and Rashford to start ahead of him
Three years of going in one direction......gone.
5 months going in a new direction....so far so good?
What abilities should we have tried to play into that we haven't?
He's had the 2nd most shots in the league, the 3rd highest npxG90, yet he sits in shared 10th in non penalty goals in the league. Behind players like Dennis, Son, ESR, Bernardo Silva, Antonio, Vardy and on par with players like Cornet, Gallagher, Saka, Mount and Maupey who have all received a lot less service.
How have we improved with him?
How is his 800+ goals, trophies, records relevant for us? He is slower and weaker, runs less, his finishing is not the same, his allround game is gone. He's nowhere near the Ronaldo who scored 1+ goal on average in Spain. Did you really believe he was the final piece of the puzzle for a top club, competing against Liverpool, City and Chelsea?
Well I know you did, because there was lot of capital letters, "!!!!!"-s, "siiiiiuuuuuu"-s and laughing smilies from you in the Ronaldo threads back in the end of August.
Your laughing smilies is on you and believe it or not that makes me sad.
No matter how his spell here ends, he will still be remembered and talked about as one of the all time greats.
You asked me to do a comparison with Ibra the other day, and that was a transfer I also wasn't a fan of. He was just 34 when we bought him, but was still a stop gap transfer. We ended 6th in the league that season (he was injured the entire second season when we got 2nd) and didn't play any of the semi's or the final in the EL-campain. His pressing numbers at 40 for Milan is still 2x what Ronaldo puts up here.
He left a few months ago, immediately after Juventus snuck into 4th on the last day of the season following ten years of domination in Serie A. They are clearly a team in need of finding a new identity (likely a more team-oriented one) and rejuvenation. I mean, they signed Ronaldo to win the CL and how did that go.
Yes, young players nowadays are too fragile and aren't listening to Ronaldo, so Ronaldo's solution to the problem is to go to the press and publicly moan about them. Football is different from when Ronaldo was young, Man Utd is a HELL of a lot different from when Ronaldo was young. He's only been here for a few months and the club is on its knees, having sacked the manager and sitting in 7th place. Maybe he should try a different tact before running to the media? As you said, we all need to adapt to the fact that people (and young people) are different from how they were 20 years ago, including Ronaldo.
Also, Ronaldo was blessed to come through one of the best and most functional teams in history. Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Neville etc. all in their prime with Fergie overseeing everything. It was the perfect situation for a young player to develop. Fergie's creed was that no matter what, the players stick together and don't go against each other. Would be great to see Ronaldo applying that now as a senior player.
Berbatov wasn’t even that good that season (10/11). He scored his 20 league goals in like 5 games.
That is probably the best thing he said in that interview. Hard to disagree with him there.
Jeez. Why are folks pissed with possibly amongst the few that actually have the skill and mentality to still perform at levels we desire? Sure he’s not the same Ronaldo from 5 yrs ago but he’s still a cut above the trash the rest are serving up
The only recurring theme is the fella literally having very good/world class seasons in all of the previous 15 years of his career. Then he comes here and keeps producing the goods, specially in the CL.
Other players in the Utd team? That's more debatable.
good arguments but I don’t agree with everything you said. I still do not see ronaldo a main part of the problem. I agree, he entered into a different dressing room when he was a youngster, but back then, senior players didn’t have to deal with rashford’s media leaks, pogba’s agent, lingard’s posts in westham’s shirt. Even the manager’s approach was different. Rangnick himself went to talk about rashford for instance in the media. Given the time we live in and social media, it was normal for a senior player like ronaldo to talk. He said the right things. He didn’t moan, he said i have a solution in mind but this is not the place to say it. He said we need to adapt to the manager. He defended the manager (though personally I have mu doubts about the tactics).
i guess what we both agree on is that the organisation is totally different at united. David beckham for instance was shown the door as soon as he disrupted the team (i absolutely hated him leaving - he was one of the reasons i started watching football, but he had to go). That’s one of many examples. Roy keane himself was another. Today, we entertain pogba, we give lingard, mata (who I like but he is actually past it) and others new huge contracts and sit them on the bench. We sign a creative midfielder and never use him. Things are messed up all over the place. It’s not ronaldo
Good post. Agreed with you.
He's a senior player and supposedly a leader he should help other players not to go moan against them in the press. It surely doesn't help anyone and only make the mess bigger.
Neither is Ronaldo really this season. It's our lack of alternatives that's a problem. And a lack of great strikers in their prime avaible for transfers.
SPot on. It was clear he has become toxic and I felt we should never have signed. Hate the arm throwing, pouting and tantrums. Many journos have commented on us becoming a nostalgia club stuck in the past, bringing back Ronnie merely confirmed that view
A man who has scored 4 goals in a CL Final. A man who has won everything to win, telling his club mates that only by changing their mentality and efforts are they going to win anything. Exactly what he was told when he came to United as a raw youngster. So now Ronaldo does not have a winning DNA?
He is not telling them how to play. He is telling what it takes to become a top player and to be there. None of these players are even close to him in their professionalism. None.
And some people are having a go at Ronaldo for stating the facts? Geez.
He is not telling them how to play. He is telling what it takes to become a top player and to be there. None of these players are even close to him in their professionalism. None.
And some people are having a go at Ronaldo for stating the facts? Geez.
Its funny how so many so called Utd fans get obsessed with individuals, both players and managers, rather than the club. And the club's ultimate success will need a strong team spirit. The Ronaldo of 2022 has won a lot but has also become a prima donna and seems to care far more about himself than the team. YOu may disagree. But I dont think what we see of his onfield behaviour or read about his moaning in the press suggest he is a leader or role model. The class of 92 talked about being inspired by Cantona and the work he put in in training. Thats the difference.
You have nailed it.
Ronaldo is not a bad player and would be a great squad player for Utd. But his brand doesn’t allow Utd to do that. He is a big problem for Utd. The Ronaldo lovers don’t see it from that point of view.
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