Cricket won't be the same for the people who have watched them.. 3 completely different types of players, but each so important in different ways.
Think a lot of people are bothered, but not much can be done.
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Cricket won't be the same for the people who have watched them.. 3 completely different types of players, but each so important in different ways.
Think a lot of people are bothered, but not much can be done.
BCCI has taken bullying to a whole new level. They've got every other board by their balls and they know it and are hence calling the shots. Whilst they've heavily invested in Indian Cricket but they've also started acted like cnuts.
When Sachin retires, I think I'll stop giving a shit about this team and cricket, in general.
When Sachin retires, I think I'll stop giving a shit about this team and cricket, in general.
It is nothing to do specifically with BCCI. If you have one entity in any area financing 80% of all business then that entity is bound to call the shots. To expect such entity to be altruistic is foolish in the extreme. Look at how FIFA bullied a whole nation in Brazil to change their laws for the WC to be held there. That is much worse than whatever BCCI is doing to other ICC members. As long as BCCI knows that they are effectively bankrolling the majority of ICC revenue, they can pretty much carry on as they want.
I know many won't agree but cricket needs to evolve to keep up with changing dynamics. And by that I don't mean more T20 shit since I hate that crap. A NBA style league based in India won't be the worst idea for future of cricket if it is conducted properly and not like a circus, that is IPL.
I know many won't agree but cricket needs to evolve to keep up with changing dynamics. And by that I don't mean more T20 shit since I hate that crap. A NBA style league based in India won't be the worst idea for future of cricket if it is conducted properly and not like a circus, that is IPL.
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And Warney going mental
And Warney going mentalI have already. With these new guys, admittedly very talented, but I don't feel any connection with them. The childhood revolves around Sachin-Dravid-Ganguly-Laxman-Kumble. Don't know, maybe I am getting old, but I don't care anymore whether India loses or wins as everyone of the golden generation will be gone with Sachin and this feels a different team. Oh and I fecking hate BCCI for this politics and denying an awesome tour of South Africa to fans.
SA team:
Petersen, Smith, Amla, Kallis, AB, Faf, Duminy, Peterson, Steyn, Morkel, Philander
fecking hell!
That is an incredible team.
If India played them, they'll make 1000 probably.
Petersen, Smith, Amla, Kallis, AB, Faf, Duminy, Peterson, Steyn, Morkel, Philander
fecking hell!
That is an incredible team.
If India played them, they'll make 1000 probably.
Don't think so, more of 450-500
India will get bowled out for 200 odd though, especially if matches are in SA.Same. Don't feel any connection with the current Indian team at all. There are some good players, but I really don't care whether they win or lose. I still want them to win but only because they are playing for India, not because I like them. When Sachin or Dravid used to represent other teams in domestic or charity games, I'd still want them to do well, while as for this current lot, don't feel a thing. The closest of the current lot to the the aforementioned five is Dhoni, but even he is nowhere near that level.
149/4 against Pakistan atm.
Still don't understand why Umar Akmal isn't given a chance in Test matches.
Must be some disciplinary matter. He's the best young pakistani batsman by a distance. I think he can be the Virat Kohli of Pakistani cricket team.
Amla really is a genius.
The best batsman of the current generation, IMO.
Better than Clarke, for me.
Better than Clarke, for me.
Amla is the best of the current crop for me too. Such an elegant player and he always remains calm and in control of the situation - brilliant batsman to watch.
Pakistan should be happy with SA 8 down. Hopefully we make a contest of this series and the batters do something useful to back up the bowling.
Pakistan should be happy with SA 8 down. Hopefully we make a contest of this series and the batters do something useful to back up the bowling.
Think Amla is the best in both test and ODI cricket, at the moment.
His ODI record, in particular, is incredible. 73 innings, 11 hundreds at an average of 54.85 and a strike rate of 91.19. Only Ryan ten Doeschate has a better average of anyone who has played more than 20 innings. His average (67) however, is from just 32 innings, for the Netherlands, generally against much lesser sides.
His ODI record, in particular, is incredible. 73 innings, 11 hundreds at an average of 54.85 and a strike rate of 91.19. Only Ryan ten Doeschate has a better average of anyone who has played more than 20 innings. His average (67) however, is from just 32 innings, for the Netherlands, generally against much lesser sides.
Mitchell Johnson is so dangerous. Not because he's bowling 150+ but because he's not really in control of it. Watched some footage of Hughes facing him in the nets and he hit him twice. fecking net bowling for christs sake. Going at a good clip as well.
It is Hughes though so my emotions are conflicted.
It is Hughes though so my emotions are conflicted.
Bailey should be in that test team, right kind of attitude.
Pakistan should win from this point, surely not even we can feck this up
Dhawan & India destroying the Aussies, impressive batting.
Dhawan & India destroying the Aussies, impressive batting.
I love Kohli
What a chase!fecking hell!
Wow!
I had the pleasure of watching that from the very beginning. Surreal.
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Not yet 25, and he's already India's second greatest ODI bat. Scary how good he is. #Kohli]
I'm agreeing with this.
Not yet 25, and he's already India's second greatest ODI bat. Scary how good he is. #Kohli]
I'm agreeing with this.
Goodness gracious me, what an innings
India complete the second highest successful chase in ODIs with 6.3 overs to spare. Kohli smashes 100 off 52, the fastest by an Indian. Rohit makes a seemingly sedate 141 off 123. If Dhawan had made 5 more runs, this could have been the first time three batsmen from the same team made 100s in an ODI. http://es.pn/CarnageInJaipur
Australia definitely had their pants pulled down and received some bum love on this one.
Nah...I'm not sure. He's in a real purple patch but Ganguly was a brilliant ODI bat (albeit the averages were slightly lower then) and Dhoni still probably has the edge on him. He's getting there though.
Kohli is comfortably better than Dhoni I reckon. Ganguly maybe, but I don't remember Ganguly playing as many brilliant innings as Kohli has under pressure.
Unfair to compare him with Dhoni when you look at their batting positions. Dhoni could be scoring a lot more if he played higher up the order. His ability to finish off high pressure chases is second to none.
Kohli..
Who are the great ODI bowlers during Kohli's batting career?
Can someone name even one?
Who are the great ODI bowlers during Kohli's batting career?
Can someone name even one?
I'd definitely rate Dhoni over Kohli as things stand today. He's played for longer, played great innings at crucial times and did it while also shouldering the wicketkeeping and captaining burdens.
As Zing mentions, Ganguly had to face a different quality of opposition and of course he played some crucial innings under pressure. He really thrived under pressure.
That's not to say Kohli won't end up being better than both of them if he keeps this up though. I've not seen much of him but he's great to watch.
One third of his centuries have come in matches where 600 runs were scored.
The best ODI bowler he has faced is probably Mitchell Johnson or Morne Morkel.
Can someone name a single match he's played in trying conditions? 50 odd versus SA 3 years ago comes to mind.
He can only beat what's in front of him, but I think he's a bigger flat track bully than Sehwag. Not seen a player who capitalizes as much as he does when the going is easy.
This is not to say he's not good otherwise -- just that that aspect is unproven.
The best ODI bowler he has faced is probably Mitchell Johnson or Morne Morkel.
Can someone name a single match he's played in trying conditions? 50 odd versus SA 3 years ago comes to mind.
He can only beat what's in front of him, but I think he's a bigger flat track bully than Sehwag. Not seen a player who capitalizes as much as he does when the going is easy.
This is not to say he's not good otherwise -- just that that aspect is unproven.
As pure out and out batsmen there's pretty much no comparison between them imo. Kohli is better than Dhoni at almost all facets of batting and can be just as destructive. And frankly I am not even sure if Dhoni would score plenty more if he batted at, say number 4. His technique isn't all that.
I'm probably forgetting some of his knocks but I can't think of many Ganguly knocks that are comparable to Kohli's.
Kohli has an average of 58 in SA, 54 in Australia and an average of 47 in England. That's pretty excellent.
It's a pretty weak argument if you're trying to discredit him because the bowling standard isn't great, by that logic Amla isn't that great because he hasn't faced two of the top three great fast bowlers in world.
It's a pretty weak argument if you're trying to discredit him because the bowling standard isn't great, by that logic Amla isn't that great because he hasn't faced two of the top three great fast bowlers in world.
So he scores runs when the pitches are good. Shocking I know!
Nonsense.
Several but of course you seem to think chasing 360 is not 'trying conditions'. I must have missed the hundreds of times targets of such nature were chase down.
Well the going has been easy for quite a while then!
But of course, that will never be proven because he faces shite bowlers.
Well their averages and strike rates are virtually identical from what I can see. Sure Dhoni gets more not outs but he gets less balls as well. You're right that Kohli's better to watch but what really counts in the end is effectiveness and Dhoni's done it in absolutely crucial games including his epic performance in the final.
I'm afraid you have a short memory then. Heaps of Ganguly knocks are comparable to or better than Kohli's - he played some top innings against Pakistan including the Independence Cup final. Plus he played bowlers like Akram and McGrath while Kohli's faced mostly weak bowlers on shirtfronts. He has a way to go before he can surpass Ganguly in my opinion.
I don't think anybody's saying he's not an excellent batsman with potential to become one of the greats. Just that it's a bit premature to start calling him India's second greatest ODI bat.
I take it you're still bitter that I called you out on talking shit about Rohit Sharma.
Anyway.
Name the other better bowlers he's faced.. go on.
Malinga, I left out Malinga.
By trying conditions, I obviously meant with a little bit of lateral movement or bounce.
This is the list of 3 bowlers with the best averages in the matches that Kohli has made tons in:
vs Sri Lanka -- Malinga, Perrera, Lakmal
vs Bangladesh
vs Australia -- McKay, Starc, Hastings
vs NZ -- Mills, McKay, Tuffy
vs Bangladesh
vs England -- Swann, Finn, Bresnan
vs England -- Swann, Finn, Bresnan
vs WI -- Rampaul, Roach, Sammy
vs SL -- Malinga, Kulasekara, Maharoof
vs SL -- Kulasekara, Lakmal, Maharoof
vs Pakistan -- Gul, Ajmal, Afridi
vs SL -- Malinga, Kulasekara, Perrera
vs SL -- Malinga, Perrera, Herath
vs WI -- Sammy, Roach, Narine
vs Zimbabwe
Pakistan stands out there.
But if anyone's going to tell me this era's got good ODI bowlers in it..