Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Okay so, HYPOTHETICAL scenario: it's September 2020, infection rate has been low for months, the government allows fans again in limited capacity, under certain circumstances. Social distancing still needs to be respected at all times.
Option A - allow the capacity of fans again and do nothing --> thousands and thousands of people queuing at the same time, social distancing not respected, gets shut down again
Option B - come up with timeslots per stand and section to enter and leave the stadium which would at least solve that specific problem of allowing fans again while respecting social distancing
Yup, they're gonna go option A. Definitely. That's what they're gonna do
"FIFO. Feck that shit, right?"OR: the government could simply say that fans in attendance are not allowed as long as social distancing is a thing. Which would make more sense and would indeed immediately remove any potential ideas like FIFO.
No you didn’t say that, I quoted above what you said if you need to read it again.
You said once the shops reopen the concept of essential travel only is dead, you never once mentioned the pandemic being over.
Okay so, HYPOTHETICAL scenario: it's September 2020, infection rate has been low for months, the government allows fans again in limited capacity, under certain circumstances. Social distancing still needs to be respected at all times.
Option A - allow the capacity of fans again and do nothing --> thousands and thousands of people queuing at the same time, social distancing not respected, gets shut down again
Option B - come up with timeslots per stand and section to enter and leave the stadium which would at least solve that specific problem of allowing fans againµ
Yup, they're gonna go option A. Definitely. That's what they're gonna do
Timeslot per stand? Stupid idea
You can gate them from entering, you can't actually enforce them not gathering outside the stadium waiting. Plus 20k people waiting to get in will form a Que, something you can't really police adequately no matter how hard you try.
A batch by batch entry to stadium would drag the whole event to 4-6 hours in and out, good luck doing that without some sort of toilet.
And you can't expect football fans to be civilized and adhere the 2m rules.
Shit idea, next
Okay sorry, I didn't know you had the understanding capacity of a 5-year old and had to mention that football with fans in attendance would only be brought back if the pandemic is over or at least controllable in a fashion that allows for fans at entertainment events again. Apologies for that.
I think I have one you'll agree with though: LET'S JUST BAN FOOTBALL UNTIL A VACCINE HAS BEEN FOUND!!!*
*which may be never and all clubs will go bankrupt but feck it it's still the only safe thing to do!
Well if the pandemic is over why would we need your first in first out system at all?
There’s no need to get nasty because I called you out on your poor take regarding people travelling the country during the pandemic.
Your whole first post was a dig at me, don't expect a nice answer if you start like that.
Okay so, HYPOTHETICAL scenario: it's September 2020, infection rate has been low for months, the government allows fans again in limited capacity, under certain circumstances. Social distancing still needs to be respected at all times.
Option A - allow the capacity of fans again and do nothing --> thousands and thousands of people queuing at the same time, social distancing not respected, gets shut down again
Option B - come up with timeslots per stand and section to enter and leave the stadium which would at least solve that specific problem of allowing fans again while respecting social distancing
Yup, they're gonna go option A. Definitely. That's what they're gonna do
OR: the government could simply say that fans in attendance are not allowed as long as social distancing is a thing. Which would make more sense and would indeed immediately remove any potential ideas like FIFO.
I'm not entirely sure if you're making a point here or simply went off on a rant.
In any case, I'm going with: neither of the above proposals is remotely viable in the current climate or that of the not-so-distant future.
The idea of fans attending football matches should be a non-starter until the safety of those in attendance can be guaranteed beyond any doubt.
What you suggested is both stupid and dangerous. Travelling up and down the country to watch football wouldn’t just affect the lives of the people going, but everyone they come into contact with in the supermarket.
It’s easy to suggest a country starts allowing travel for none-essential reasons when you don’t actually live there.
Not winning the league isn't a cause for bankruptcy. Nice try though
You and I have no clue what's gonna be viable in September 2020. And if you think it shouldn't return if safety can be guaranteed "beyond any doubt", that in reality means that the virus needs to die on its own or when a vaccine becomes available. So what you suggesting is no fans in attendance before that time, is that correct? If so, that's a valid opinion of course, no problem with that. I just think we might see limited capacity implemented earlier than when a vaccine becomes (widely) available. Co-existing with the virus will be a thing long before the vaccine is ready imo.
Again, not what I said. I said "why wouldn't you? The concept of "essential travel only" is dead once shops re-open", and I said that based on what's been communicated here in Belgium. If the UK does differently, then fine, but it's practically impossible to control for what reasons people are on the road once "normal life" kind of resumes again.
Especially since Belgium was one of the first European countries to end their football league campaigns.
Edited my post just now. I wouldn't even have a problem with no fans in attendance before a vaccine is found, it's better to err on the side of caution, but I don't think that's the way they're gonna go. Unless governments implement it, of course, then they don't have much of a choice anymore.Bingo.
Now you're talking sensibly
And I don't know what you're so worried about, the FA will give you the title whether the league restarts or otherwise. You know that as do we all.
That it will have an asterisk attached is only a minor problem.
20 - 18.5 is still progress.
That it will have an asterisk attached is only a minor problem.
20 - 18.5 is still progress.
Entirely besides the point of course so I see you're back to your WUMming ways
It is what you said, you’ve tried changing what you’ve meant a few times granted but it is what you said.
It wouldn’t be impossible to stop people travelling the country to watch football during the pandemic, the games are being played behind closed doors in Germany for that reason, to protect the fans.
Letting them in whilst staggering them but not letting them go to the loo doesn’t protect the fans, nor does it protect the people they come into contact with once the match is over.
Entirely besides the point of course so I see you're back to your WUMming ways
Sorry, I get bored rather quickly.
It's true, though. You'll get your league title regardless.
You are just mixing up several discussions and other stuff, it doesn't make any sense.
Duffer asked if he'd be allowed to travel to Newcastle or Chelsea to watch a game of football. This already implied that fans would be allowed back in. I said that he would be allowed, because "essential travel only" wouldn't be a thing anymore once that scenario would occur. That's it, that's all there is to it.
If you think it was poorly worded, no problem with that.
I've said multiple times in this thread that I don't really care anymore. It's better to have it awarded than not I guess, but all the glamour and excitement is gone and won't come back. It'll just be a "check, done" and on to the next day without feeling all that differently. It sucks but it is what it is. I'll count if as a fully legitimate title (you won't for obvious reasons) because there's no doubt we'd have won it, but the next time we win one would feel like the first "proper" one, I think.
There is a clear difference there though. Letting a few people in who happen to live in Chelsea or Newcastle is a lot different to letting people from around the country mix together.
Given that you’ve said this could potentially happen sooner rather than later, I’m sure you can understand the obvious concerns with that.
It’s not that you worded anything poorly, it’s that it’s a poor take, doesn’t matter which way you dress it up, putting people from different parts of the country in close contact and sending them home afterwards is a terrible idea, one that will allow the virus to continue to spread and cost people their lives.
That FIFO has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard . I know you yourself are not proposing it but it's still a stand full of people . If I'm in stand A that's where I will catch the Virus not in stand D at the opposite end of the pitch so what time they come and go is irrelevant. Who actually proposed this idea ?
I said it's a possibility that they might be looking into right now. It's not that you're not gonna catch the virus, it's that you get people going to the stadium at different times. It however got shot down by people because "football fans can't be trusted to follow rules and will congregate around the stadium regardless", so there's that. Apparently it's a lot harder to get people in the UK to behave than it is elsewhere in Europe or something like that, I dunno. I've never encountered any trouble at all at places where you had to queue before you could enter during this crisis so far. And yes, I'll already concede that there's a difference with football games before the usual suspects jump on me, but there are also similarities. You could reasonably expect a majority of people to behave if the public health is concerned (or the fact that they're not allowed in the stadium if they don't behave).
take 5 and Go and collect all your toys!
no one is suggesting banning football until there’s a vaccine.
but unless there is a sensible and safe way of having fans in a stadium where you can respect social distancing, the simple answer is behind closed doors until we no longer need to socially distance.
FIFO, allocated timeslots, no toilets, no facilities to provide refreshments are all ridiculous ideas to try and circumvent the problem.
20,000 people outside a football stadium is a little different to 100 people outside a supermarket don’t you think?
do you think football fans be ace exactly the same way outside a supermarket doing their weekly shop as they do when going to watch a football match?
you remember loads of fans congregating outside PSGs game behind closed doors don’t you? It’s not just British football fans that are idiots, there is a good % of football fans everywhere who are complete idiots. Would I trust the vast majority of football fans to Adhere to the ideas you have put forward? No.
if your team is losing 3-0 at the 80th minute, then every Tom dick and harry will be wanting to leave the ground. Your not going to get them to wait in their seats until they can form an orderly 2m spaces queue, section by section, stand by stand.
I’m not sure if youve ever been to a football match if you Believe this is remotely possible.
you can’t have fans and socially distance.
First I’m hearing of these ideas that are being spoken about.
To be honest though it’s just not workable, not at that level anyway. I just can’t see people being that disciplined enough to show enough adherence to it and that’s not because they’re stupid football fans as some suggest, it’s just because they’re human and they’ll fall into doing things instinctively.
Even in all these supermarkets, unless there’s some militant store security guard shouting at everyone to keep social distance, people unknowingly and repeatedly break it.
I’ve seen so many people walking close together along aisles. People congregating around items. People wiping their nose and face and touching trollies. People standing too close when queuing for payment (I can even admit to doing this). And I see this every single time I go shopping.
Football also has the problem of what happens when people need to leave. A lot of clubs do not have great transport links around their grounds. Old Trafford has the most smallest trams you’ll ever see, even at reduced capacity and staggered leaving times. You’ll still be looking at thousands needing to get away and get on these limited capacity trams.
I think what we have here is football trying too hard to pander to those who are against its restart, these people will try and find any flaw in footballs process of trying to make things safe (you’ve been responding to a lot of these folk) To the point where some of the suggestions are just not workable and actually become daft.
To me the only effective and potentially workable solution that won’t require militant procedures is if everyone going to a game of football wears a mask for the entirety of the time.
What will probably happen though is that infections drops to single figures, track and trace is fully implemented and grounds open at limited capacity without all those daft one in one out, no food or drink, no toilet suggestions.
It’ll then become apparent that football won’t cause a mass outbreak as some would have you believe and by that stage the world will be going back to a semblance of normality and social distancing would then become an advisory measure rather than a requirement because simply put social distancing and mass gatherings just don’t work together.
Or it could be that they're played indoors and so the risk of catching Covid would be a lot higher?
Hit the nail on the head!
No wonder he's gor over 12,000 posts - he's writing one post after another, and more than all of us put together!
And he doesn't know that the * is a Liverpool * copyright from now on patented for winning Table Football.
What?
I'm sure there's 20% of ST holders who'd still want to come to watch the games. If people don't agree, they'll stay away and your problem of "who gets to go" already gets a little easier.
Pretty sure you can't limit when people go to the toilet.
You'll be limiting them on air next.
The leagues I mentioned have literally said they cannot play behind closed doors due to lack of TV money making it viable.
Probably because what you're queing for is a small lavatory, or a small kebab shops, or some small que at the supermarket. Tell me, what 20.000 people function are you queing for during the crisis?
Definitely not a fecking 20.000 capacity stadium.
Say 2M social distancing, times 1000 (assuming they have 20 entry doors, which is absurd, they probably have a few point of entry) that's already 20.000 M Long que, not to mention temperature check, security check. We're talking about something impossible even on paper. Even if it's possible, the time factor of doing all those one by one you could be there all day. ANd that's only the entrance, what about the exit? FIFO? LIFO?
Social distancing only works in smaller capacity, it's not foolproof but it's the best we can rationally comes up with. Do you get it? Just because you can social distancing it doesn't mean you're safe, it's just better than simply nothing. Saying its ok because we'll be social distancing inside, is like saying you can't get pregnant cause you pull it before you ejaculate.
I get it life must go on, football must go on, just call it "we try our best" and it's time to move on and god speed, but for the love of god don't pretend having a football match at times of corona is a prudent and safe thing to do.
You don't get it, and never did. What's "at times of corona"? When does that end? When there are no infections anymore? For how long? When a vaccine is found? Which might be never? So no fans in attendance ever again?
I'm really done talking to you. We disagree and I think your view is absolutely stupid, likewise for you regarding mine probably. That's fine by me.
That's a demonstration with 5000+ people in Corona times. Why shouldn't it be possible for 10.000 to queue up to enter a football stadium?
If I think of a typical stadium visit and reduce the number of people to say 25%, I have absolutely no problem imagining letting this number of people in and ensuring social distancing. It's 1.5m here but I suspect that rule will be gone by the start of the new season anyway.
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That's a demonstration with 5000+ people in Corona times. Why shouldn't it be possible for 10.000 to queue up to enter a football stadium?
If I think of a typical stadium visit and reduce the number of people to say 25%, I have absolutely no problem imagining letting this number of people in and ensuring social distancing. It's 1.5m here but I suspect that rule will be gone by the start of the new season anyway.
Good, now imagine all them entering 1 small door.
It'll be more like 30 doors if we talk about a typical top flight stadium. And they won't be entering at the same time.
All absolutely correct.
I was going to say, no toilets especially with football fans could lead to some seriously unbroadcastable images very quickly.
And how do you get them all out in an evacuation?