Why do people want the football to restart so badly?
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Except the fact that injuries aren't contagious.
It's so stupid for something which is considered as entertainment to have a greater priority over something which effects health. Why even risk it? Football is not worth the risk. Just cancel the season and start over when it is safe to do so.
Will lift the spirits of the scousers la
your username is apt at the moment sir
You've missed my point.
It's absolutely hysterical thread. The fun is trying to figure out who's wumming and who's serious
Surprised you ask this.
I know fans who struggle to deal with a few weeks between the last game of a season and the friendlies!
Some people's whole life is football.
just give lfc their * and come back when the game isnt being modified to accommodate tv deals ...season is ruined and lost any of its credibility anyway
I feel the need to remind you this is a football forum...
Because its a business for everyone involved, except the fans for many of whom its a personal business. And businesses are restarting everywhere because that's how life moves forward. Every business restarting out there are not dire needs.
As part of a strategy to get crowds back into the stadiums they could distribute these to each spectator approximately half a mile from the stadium.
https://www.keep2m.co.uk
While the sound of a buzzers going off may become a little annoying it could add to the atmosphere. Alternatively they could modify each unit to send a mild electric shock to each spectators testicles.
https://www.keep2m.co.uk
While the sound of a buzzers going off may become a little annoying it could add to the atmosphere. Alternatively they could modify each unit to send a mild electric shock to each spectators testicles.
The economy. No one knows when it will be completely safe.
They are looking to bring back the hospitality sector too. Pubs, Restaurants etc... the govt cannot risk having 100's of thousand people out of a job.
Not sure where you’ve been lately but contact training will be resuming.
also German league had positive tests a week before resuming.
it will restart whether you like it or not
Starting today, Hungary is allowing games in front of spectators again. At 25% capacity.
Because I want to watch some football.
Is Germany still testing now the play as started?
Whats their results been?
Genuinely curious
They've simply found out which people have coronavirus out of a population who hadn't been tested until now, and 8 is a surprisingly low number. The Bundesliga went ahead with their restart plans with 10 positive tests.
Just compared that to the first 27 matches of the Bundesliga season and there were 10 / 27.
But the pl keep getting positives that were previously negatives. Did that happen in Germany?
How many poeple have those postives effected in the 3 or 4 day gap in testing
I was unaware the Premier league had yesterday voted to return to contact training. There were reports that 8 tests had so far have come back positive and it wasn't looking good. I note today a further 3 tests have come back positive today.
Given the levels of paranoia about the virus I am pleasantly surprised to see there is now a shift to restarting. It isn't a foregone conclusion but June is now looking a distinct possibility. I am still surprised though. Maybe the lockdown has locked down my mood. Your comment about the German League maybe valid but they seem to be far more strict in their testing and isolation procedures. Dynamo Dresden had a spate of positive tests and quarantined the whole squad for 2 weeks. They had further cases during this period but only isolated those involved. I'm a little surprised the league haven't insisted on the same here.
I'm all for starting and if the players are happy to start then let the games begin.
All players and staff are tested every two to three days. There haven't been any new cases since the beginning of last week when a club's member of staff tested positive.
Yes, that happened.
Not sure if you can take anything away from such a small-ish sample size. Schalke are in horrendous form, Leverkusen suffered a pretty surprising heavy home defeat, RB Leipzig started off slowly (2 draws at home), Dortmund lost (I think) their first home game of the season because it was against Bayern, ...
I mean I do think fans at home games can play their part but you can't take that much away from three gamedays because it could just be luck of the draw. And players from the home team still have the comfort of not having to travel, knowing the surroundings and the changing rooms, stuff like that. The home advantage decreases but still exists imo.
Yes
Because feck old people
Yeah I’m guessing it’s mostly selfish reasons that people are bored. That’s why I was curious, if anyone could give a reasonable response highlighting reasons I hadn’t thought off. So, we want footballers to take a gamble on their lives so that we can sit at home watching, and then shouting at the tv if they make the smallest error or your name is Jessie lingard
but as someone pointed out it is a football forum
I really do want the games to begin but there are two hurdles to be overcome before any football can be played.
The clubs today are holding a meeting to talk about and vote on any curtailment of the season. I understand this to mean that talk of home advantage in behind closed doors (BCD) games will be considered. That means they are still voting on whether or how last season's games should be played out because the timespan within which the games were meant to be played has expired. I'm not sure but I understand if 6 clubs vote against restarting the season BCD then it won't happen. It will be really interesting to see how this goes as it is key to a restart. There have been reports that certain clubs do not agree with BCD but they did vote to return to limited close contact training yesterday. We'll see if turkeys and Christmas is overlooked in favour of sporting integrity.
So lets say they do vote to restart behind closed. There is still the matter of government allowing games to proceed. This has been discussed but there is no date. Will government allow a restart when another 4 positive tests came back from Mondays testing? Comparisons with the Bundesliga may or may not prove useful but it is a fact the UK's death rate is substantially higher than Germany's.
Hopefully we can sail over these last two hurdles.
The clubs today are holding a meeting to talk about and vote on any curtailment of the season. I understand this to mean that talk of home advantage in behind closed doors (BCD) games will be considered. That means they are still voting on whether or how last season's games should be played out because the timespan within which the games were meant to be played has expired. I'm not sure but I understand if 6 clubs vote against restarting the season BCD then it won't happen. It will be really interesting to see how this goes as it is key to a restart. There have been reports that certain clubs do not agree with BCD but they did vote to return to limited close contact training yesterday. We'll see if turkeys and Christmas is overlooked in favour of sporting integrity.
So lets say they do vote to restart behind closed. There is still the matter of government allowing games to proceed. This has been discussed but there is no date. Will government allow a restart when another 4 positive tests came back from Mondays testing? Comparisons with the Bundesliga may or may not prove useful but it is a fact the UK's death rate is substantially higher than Germany's.
Hopefully we can sail over these last two hurdles.
Serious questions:
If you're tested positive today, 7 days after your result would still be positives right?
If you're tested positive today, 7 days after your result would still be positives right?
I find this really disingenuous. You wouldn't make the same argument with regards to other businesses.
Why have we reopened shopping centres? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened gyms? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened bars? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened museums? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened hairdressers? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened restaurants? Because feck old people.
Why have we reopened theatres? Because feck old people.
Nobody would say that. None of the above are essential either but of course we reopen these things because people's livelihoods depend on it and it just wasn't justifyable to keep them shut any longer the way the pandemic has developed. But for some reason it's okay to let football go bust (and @Leroy The Red's brilliant post explained perfectly how restarting the top divisions affects everything down the pyramid). And also keep in mind that footballers (and therefore the rest of society) will be better protected than any of the above due to the rigorous testing they receive.
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Alright, but I think that won't happen.
Exactly. I thought it would have been higher, much higher. Considering it was the first time this huge group was tested and it's in the UK - one of the worst hit countries. Do the families of those eight realise they had openly been around asymptomatic carriers? Are they ok, i.e. not asymptomatic themselves? This is where contact tracing is probably more easily achieved.
Note, I'm still unsure if football should be restarted as I have said many times. But with the management of this virus and the success of the Bundesliga is showing maybe it's doable. If not, I'll take the PPG title.
first of all, where did I say “feck old people”?
secondly, and I agree to an extent that businesses need to stay afloat. But at what cost?
I would actually get behind project restart more IF the PL devised some kind of scheme to help the lower league clubs stay afloat. Look at Harry Kane shirt sponsoring L.O. Brilliant! Loved that. Why can’t the elite PL clubs and players come up with more out of the box ideas? I know some things may fall foul of fairness rules etc but try. It doesn’t have to be huge amounts of money either.
Instead there’s a vibe of the game goes on because there is money at stake for the top league. They aren’t, or don’t appear to be giving much thought to the lower leagues so far. And amongst the fans on the forums I don’t see much about lower clubs either, the odd fan but not many.
then when you throw In the possible health risks to players, I’m not sure it’s absolutely the right action at this stage. Imagine if a high profile young player got sick and died? Let’s say Rashford caught it, it develops because maybe he’s got a heart issue that he’s not aware off, he gets hospitalised, gets worse and eventually dies. Is football worth that? Imagine what that would do to a club, the league and the morale of the nation?
I know I’m being melodramatic but it’s still a possibility that something like that could happen, no matter how slim people think that is
that’s where I’m at. I can’t get behind a plan that’s to protect the finances of the top leagues only. There needs to be an inclusive plan that details all the way down
That's not what it says. There is no specification whether the new positives were the previous negatives, that much isn't clear. The PL statements only announced the number of tests and positive cases.
People are returning back to work. Take a chill pill and calm down.
No one is sending anyone to gamble their lives so other can draw entertainment from that. Christ son of God, the hyperbole is ridiculous with this post.
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I can't wait for the season to restart and watch Liverpool lose the title - would be on par with 'The Slip'.
As was mentioned earlier when i asked the question are these new positives or overlaps, it was pointed out the previous positives are still in isolation and haven't been re tested.
So they are new positives.
I personally would also like to know if they were retesting or if it was a case of more people getting tested. So far the PL has only released statements giving the total number of tests and new positive cases which isn't transparent enough to know for a fact that old negatives are now testing positives. For all we know it could be newly tested folks since the number of tests have shown to be increasing every time new statements were released, or it could indeed be old negative now testing positive. But we can't say with any certainty that's the case for now.
I personally see it in a way that the first week of testing(which had just concluded) is the one were they catch most cases because everyone is coming back from all over the place., catch all positive cases, isolate them and regulate things a lot more strictly in term of restricting and quarantine of players. Now if a lot of positive cases keep coming up a few weeks into testing then I'd get worried because that would imply that either players, stuff are spreading the virus among themselves or the league has failed to make players follow a stricter guideline to prevent infection when they go home, or it could be both.
Either ways, all eyes should be on the following weeks of testing because that will tell us much more.
1) Sorry, didn't mean to imply that. But you quoted the post and seemed to agree with the sentiment.
2) Unlikely as that is, I'm not going to dismiss it. What I would again say though is that the risk of that happening is probably much higher in other public spaces. When I go into a restaurant I can be reasonably certain I'm not putting myself in any danger with infection rates very low and social distancing in place. But I cannot be sure as presumably nobody around me has been tested. Footballers can be almost certain there is no risk of gettting infected as they are constantly tested. And given the fact they are under constant medical surveillance it is even more unlikely they have underlying health conditions they are not aware of.
As low as the case numbers are here in Germany now, we have had a few localised outbreaks. One of them in a restaurant that caused 18 people to test positive that are now isolating (apparently it was more like a private party and police are investigating the owner). It's much more likely that one of them has an underlying issue but I haven't seen anyone suggest that we should close all restaurants because of it.
I agree that the top leagues have been given a chance here and a certain credit of trust that they should use to help the lower divisions. The German Football League has bought Corona tests worth €500.000 for the local health authorities and Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig and Leverkusen have created a €20m solidarity fund. €7.5m of which have gone to the Women's league and the 3rd division (restarting this weekend).
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I see your point there and that was my initial point as well.... they appear to be spreading it amongst themselves, but i concede its to early to say that and this next week or so would be more beneficial in decided is that the case