Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th

[Ludens the Red]

So you are comparing BGT to TheFA? You don't see any problem that same association is treating its members differently? So it is ok to stop women but pushing through men no matter what. Only because of money? Association who are excellent telling people about "football familly"? What familly?

As I said earlier. Every day there are popping up things against playing football and you don't see that?


So no answers then? No suprise there.

Questions will be asked and rightfully so.

Why is women's football unable to restart but it's fine for the men to do so?

It's undermining.

So why are they ending the womans leagues? Doesnt make sense.

Some much for equality

Here's four aticles on the MENS EFL League Two being cancelled. I hope this helps with your very legitimate concerns on gender equality in football.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/spor...eague-two-cancelled-coronavirus-covid-4137063
https://www.prostinternational.com/2020/05/15/efl-league-two-season-has-been-cancelled/
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...gue-2-clubs-to-vote-to-abandon-season-sources
https://talksport.com/football/efl/...ronavirus-championship-league-one-league-two/

 

[90 + 5min]

I'm not going to answer that because it has nothing to with the issue at hand and I won't feed into your fake outrage. I would suggest you forget about gender for a moment, take a step back and then think about in what other ways WSL and EPL differ. Hint: League Two (which has been cancelled) and Premier League differ in much the same way.

Waiting now for someone to claim discrimination based on footballing ability because lower leagues can't play.

That being said, women's football can absolutely continue if it's deemed financially viable. The Women's Bundesliga (as well as the 3rd men's division) will play in Germany. The 2nd Women's Bundesliga will not, though.

You are not answering because you know deep inside that it is wrong to cancel some leagues and keep going with some others. Same country. Same association. There is a minefield and PL (mens football) are stepping on everyone of them. While chasing money they are destorying its credibility along the way. They are doing it wrong way. And to cancel womens Premier League but (trying to) keep going mens is just one more mine they are stepping on.

Here's four aticles on the MENS EFL League Two being cancelled. I hope this helps with your very legitimate concerns on gender equality in football.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/spor...eague-two-cancelled-coronavirus-covid-4137063
https://www.prostinternational.com/2020/05/15/efl-league-two-season-has-been-cancelled/
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/eng...gue-2-clubs-to-vote-to-abandon-season-sources
https://talksport.com/football/efl/...ronavirus-championship-league-one-league-two/

What you say and show is ONE MORE excellent point why Premier League should be stopped as it is. Everyone either play or don't. Simple. As I said, every day there is something coming up that don't help Premier League in their bid to keep going.

There is still gender issue. Two top Leagues. One is cancelled, the other is trying to keep going. Difference? Gender. And money.

 

[Pagh Wraith]

You are not answering because you know deep inside that it is wrong to cancel some leagues and keep going with some others. Same country. Same association. There is a minefield and PL (mens football) are stepping on everyone of them. While chasing money they are destorying its credibility along the way. They are doing it wrong way. And to cancel womens Premier League but (trying to) keep going mens is just one more mine they are stepping on.

But more importantly, not same league. And in Germany's case, not even same association. Which is why the restart of Bundesliga I and II was decided weeks ago (by the DFL) and the restart of the women's 1st and men's 3rd league only today (by the DFB). What is being done in one league should have no bearing on what happens in another. The men's and women's first divisions are worlds apart. You'd have a much better case if they cancel the Championship but not the Premier League as these two are much more similar. And even then, restarting the top division shouldn't mean the second division has to follow.

 

[Ludens the Red]

You are not answering because you know deep inside that it is wrong to cancel some leagues and keep going with some others. Same country. Same association. There is a minefield and PL (mens football) are stepping on everyone of them. While chasing money they are destorying its credibility along the way. They are doing it wrong way. And to cancel womens Premier League but (trying to) keep going mens is just one more mine they are stepping on.


What you say and show is ONE MORE excellent point why Premier League should be stopped as it is. Everyone either play or don't. Simple. As I said, every day there is something coming up that don't help Premier League in their bid to keep going.

There is still gender issue. Two top Leagues. One is cancelled, the other is trying to keep going. Difference? Gender. And money.

*Takes a deep breath*

- to start with it isn’t the same association. The women’s Premier League, The men’s Premier League and the EFL league two are all ran separately. Please get this.

- all these associations independently consulted with their CLUBS and THE PLAYERS at length before voting and coming to a decision. The Men’s Premier league decided to continue. The EFL and Women’s league decided not to. Please get this.

- The main reason is that there is far more money in the PL and their Tv deals meaning they are best equipped and have the best facilities to put these testing measures in place. The EFL and women’s league do not have the finance to meet the running costs at putting all these testing measures in place. That is the main reason behind cancellation. The men’s PL is ultimately going to have to pump money into the EFL and the women’s game to stop them going under. You cannot say nobody is to play. Now we don’t know how exactly that is going to work, it’s still being discussed but it is 100% clear that the PL has to continue to make money in these coming months because it effects everyone along the football pyramid, the sooner you get this into your head the better.

- There is no gender issue at all here, and I actually find it quite repulsive that people are going down the gender inequality route to try and score points. Your suggestion that as they are the two top leagues makes them equal is actually laughable. The two are not even remotely comparable.

Above all else what makes your stance so completely ridiculous is that the top divisions in Spain, Italy, Germany as well as a whole host of other countries, have all either started or are planning to start the playing of their top division. The way you carry on you’d think ENGLISH PL had gone on some rogue personal crusade.

 

[Finn MacCool]

Has Burger King reopened? I heard that some McDonalds were about to reopen. I would not be impressed if flame grilled burger restaurants can’t reopen.

 

[Santoryo]

Like fecking clockwork...

It's amazing, isn't it

Also always funny seeing posters demonize this need for the league to make money. People acting as if it's an evil act for the league to try to make as much money as possible. Of course they need the money to survive and keep things running further down the line. They needs all those tv money that they've already paid clubs.

It's hilarious how ignorant some people are, they think the league just runs on good wills and well wishes. Somehow all these folks haven't realized that money is needed to keep things running

 

[Rozay]

So Boris has now announced that all non-essential retail to open by June 15th. I’ll say again, I’d be surprised if the 'no fans at stadiums’ thing will last until New Year. With the shopping centres full, train stations and trains crowded etc - I can’t imagine how we can justify a stance towards sport alone that is not consistent with the rest of society for such a length of time.

 

[RobinLFC]

So Boris has now announced that all non-essential retail to open by June 15th. I’ll say again, I’d be surprised if the 'no fans at stadiums’ thing will last until New Year. With the shopping centres full, train stations and trains crowded etc - I can’t imagine how we can justify a stance towards sport alone that is not consistent with the rest of society for such a length of time.

Because social distancing is (or should still be) applied in shopping centres, stores and the likes - social distancing is inherently not possible for fans attending a football game, which makes a huge difference.

Half capacity or something for stadiums should be possible though, yes.

 

[Offside]

So Boris has now announced that all non-essential retail to open by June 15th. I’ll say again, I’d be surprised if the 'no fans at stadiums’ thing will last until New Year. With the shopping centres full, train stations and trains crowded etc - I can’t imagine how we can justify a stance towards sport alone that is not consistent with the rest of society for such a length of time.

I imagine they will have 20% capacity stadiums for the start of next season in the Autumn but I don’t see full stadiums for another year or so.

 

[dwd]

I imagine they will have 20% capacity stadiums for the start of next season in the Autumn but I don’t see full stadiums for another year or so.

Wonder how they would decide who gets to go to the games. With 60k plus season ticket holders it will be interesting to see how it ends up for us.

 

[Handré1990]

Wonder how they would decide who gets to go to the games. With 60k plus season ticket holders it will be interesting to see how it ends up for us.

Holy shit! Is that the actual number of season ticket holders?!

 

[christinaa]

Oh shit, I had it in mind that it was in Madrid. God that's embarrassing

Losing at home, I mean.

Did they lose ?
Weren't they The Invincibles?

Apples and oranges doesn't even come close to doing this post justice.

This is not apples and oranges as you're trying to persuade others.

If it's not good to play for women then it's not good to play for men only for one reason:
because it may result in sickness and death (even for one person) be it male or female.

Getting near to the 40000 deaths in the UK and some people are still whining to continue the PL at all costs because there's money involved.

 

[dwd]

Holy shit! Is that the actual number of season ticket holders?!

Think it might be closer to 50k but still a hell of a lot of people. Obviously a percentage of that won't feel safe or even be able to travel for a while but there's gonna be some pissed off people if they're told only a select few can go.

 

[Handré1990]

Think it might be closer to 50k but still a hell of a lot of people. Obviously a percentage of that won't feel safe or even be able to travel for a while but there's gonna be some pissed off people if they're told only a select few can go.

Yeah, I’d hate to be the one to have to decide who can attend and who cannot

 

[Kasper]

That post was 14 pages ago.

In any case, it says a lot about your own agenda if you randomly accuse someone of being a Liverpool fan because said person has no problems with the league being restarted.

 

[ROFLUTION]

So Boris has now announced that all non-essential retail to open by June 15th. I’ll say again, I’d be surprised if the 'no fans at stadiums’ thing will last until New Year. With the shopping centres full, train stations and trains crowded etc - I can’t imagine how we can justify a stance towards sport alone that is not consistent with the rest of society for such a length of time.

What, how do you compare the two? I don't know if it's different in your country / in England, but arent you still meant to take measures while in public? wear masks, keep distance in shopping centres, so on?

The difference is that at a football match you're forced to sit close, unless it's at a smaller capacity. And football is something society "Looks up to" - so would be wrong to have packed stadiums at least, as it sends a wrong signal. Maybe 20-40% capacity.

Anyways, it probably also changes the situation quite a lot that remdesivir, if given in right time, reduces 80% of what would later on be deaths.

 

[Rozay]

Because social distancing is (or should still be) applied in shopping centres, stores and the likes - social distancing is inherently not possible for fans attending a football game, which makes a huge difference.

Half capacity or something for stadiums should be possible though, yes.

Social distancing In Westfield will be almost impossible.

I imagine they will have 20% capacity stadiums for the start of next season in the Autumn but I don’t see full stadiums for another year or so.

Yea, this is something I’ve been in favour of. I can’t see how reduced capacity isn’t an option.

 

[RobinLFC]

Social distancing In Westfield will be almost impossible.



Yea, this is something I’ve been in favour of. I can’t see how reduced capacity isn’t an option.

Think they might count people at the doors and once it's full, it's full. At least that's how the stores operate over here right now, there are huge queues at a lot of stores because once they're filled up, it's one in / one out.

Agreed that limited capacity could likely happen yeah.

 

[arnie_ni]

In any case, it says a lot about your own agenda if you randomly accuse someone of being a Liverpool fan because said person has no problems with the league being restarted.

I literally said in the same post i want it restarted and finished on the pitch.

Im fullt behind a restart if its safe.

United need to see this season through, get top 4, and possibly win 2 cups.

Get of your high horse

 

[jymufc20]

Yeah, I’d hate to be the one to have to decide who can attend and who cannot

Last in first out maybe ?

 

[Sandikan]

I imagine they will have 20% capacity stadiums for the start of next season in the Autumn but I don’t see full stadiums for another year or so.

Even with 20%, I wonder how it'd work.

You'd have to stagger people leaving grounds, limit people going to the toilets, food stalls etc.

How would it work in rows? You'd still have to get everyone in a row moving to let someone out? Unless you have 2 in a row!?

It's either all back, or none unfortunately.

 

[arnie_ni]

Even with 20%, I wonder how it'd work.

You'd have to stagger people leaving grounds, limit people going to the toilets, food stalls etc.

How would it work in rows? You'd still have to get everyone in a row moving to let someone out? Unless you have 2 in a row!?

It's either all back, or none unfortunately.

I think itl go like that as well but everyone will have to wear a mask and sanitise before entering the ground or some token gesture like that

 

[RobinLFC]

Even with 20%, I wonder how it'd work.

You'd have to stagger people leaving grounds, limit people going to the toilets, food stalls etc.

How would it work in rows? You'd still have to get everyone in a row moving to let someone out? Unless you have 2 in a row!?

It's either all back, or none unfortunately.

Different parts of the stadium need to get in at different times to avoid queues - per stand, and then per section. Rotate it so you only have to be in the stadium 2 hours in advance once every four games or so. Leaving the stadium, likewise. Rows would be filled crosswise to maximize distance between people. Then face masks, hand sanitizers, avoid touching surfaces as much as possible, ...

It's possible and it will be looked at as soon as it's safe enough to allow a certain percentage of fans into the stadiums, no doubt. Although if authorities would impose a total ban on mass gatherings including football games for the remainder of 2020, that would of course put a stop to these ideas.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Different parts of the stadium need to get in at different times to avoid queues - per stand, and then per section. Rotate it so you only have to be in the stadium 2 hours in advance once every four games or so. Leaving the stadium, likewise. Rows would be filled crosswise to maximize distance between people. Then face masks, hand sanitizers, avoid touching surfaces as much as possible, ...

It's possible and it will be looked at as soon as it's safe enough to allow a certain percentage of fans into the stadiums, no doubt. Although if authorities would impose a total ban on mass gatherings including football games for the remainder of 2020, that would of course put a stop to these ideas.

it’s just not workable is it. Even if on entry, you could do it - how does it work at half time when 50% of people need a piss, and then at full time when everyone is leaving at the same time.

you can’t have a crowd and socially distance - unless it’s complete lip service.

 

[Furious George]

When I signed up here Liverpool were only 14 years out from their last league win and still reveling amongst the fading embers of their 2001 tin pot treble. They were the team to beat. Upward parabolic.
Anthony Le Tallec was going to be better than Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronaldo just falls over.
Veron had been flogged to Chelsea. He was a great player again.
Tim Howard was an American goalkeeper!
American! Just like Kasey Keller or that bloke out of the A-team who flew the helicopter.

Just you wait and see, they said. I'm still waiting.

I'm full of sunshine and beer.

 

[Offside]

Even with 20%, I wonder how it'd work.

You'd have to stagger people leaving grounds, limit people going to the toilets, food stalls etc.

How would it work in rows? You'd still have to get everyone in a row moving to let someone out? Unless you have 2 in a row!?

It's either all back, or none unfortunately.

Would work a lot better at a ground than in supermarkets, shops etc. People are stationary watching the match at a distance from the other spectators rather than passing each other all the time.

 

[Offside]

Yea, this is something I’ve been in favour of. I can’t see how reduced capacity isn’t an option.

Richard Masters mentioned it the other day as the next step I think.

 

[RobinLFC]

it’s just not workable is it. Even if on entry, you could do it - how does it work at half time when 50% of people need a piss, and then at full time when everyone is leaving at the same time.

You won't be allowed to leave at the same time. Last ones in before the game should be the last ones out, and first ones in the first ones out, also per stand and per section. Maybe they might contemplate keeping the drink&food stands closed, and that your'e also not allowed to leave your seat during HT. Take a piss at home before the game, and if you desperately need to go during the game, you need to exit the stadium and can't re-enter. Harsh, but the only workable solution - you simply can't have fans arbitrarily choosing when to go for a piss during the game because in that case you can't control or keep your social distancing rules.

I dunno, maybe it's just too complicated. But if there's even a slight chance that this would work, I'd imagine clubs are already looking into making it happen. Even at 1/3 stadium capacity, the gate revenue of Old Trafford amounts to a million or so, probably.

 

[vivaronaldo]

the leagues credibility is absolutely shot...give lfc their * and call the thing off ....

 

[Sky1981]

Exactly.

Football is either safe or its not.

Make your mind up!

It's always not safe until vaccine. Some people start working not because it's safe but because they have no other options.

Footballer have the luxury of not playing for a good few months, they just want the money from tv deals.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

It's always not safe until vaccine. Some people start working not because it's safe but because they have no other options.

Footballer have the luxury of not playing for a good few months, they just want the money from tv deals.

Footballers don’t want to play either, it’s the higher ups and owners who are seeing their coffers drained who want to fill it up.

And there are also thousands and thousands of ordinary working people who livelihood depended on football, the tea ladies, cleaners, ground maintenance, hospitality etc... With inadequate support from the state and no football, they are the real losers of this mess.

 

[Sandikan]

You won't be allowed to leave at the same time. Last ones in before the game should be the last ones out, and first ones in the first ones out, also per stand and per section. Maybe they might contemplate keeping the drink&food stands closed, and that your'e also not allowed to leave your seat during HT. Take a piss at home before the game, and if you desperately need to go during the game, you need to exit the stadium and can't re-enter. Harsh, but the only workable solution - you simply can't have fans arbitrarily choosing when to go for a piss during the game because in that case you can't control or keep your social distancing rules.

I dunno, maybe it's just too complicated. But if there's even a slight chance that this would work, I'd imagine clubs are already looking into making it happen. Even at 1/3 stadium capacity, the gate revenue of Old Trafford amounts to a million or so, probably.

You absolutely totally proved it's not workable when you became a piss nazi. I'd imagine it's illegal to do what you propose.

Imagine not being allowed to serve food or drink either.

And how pleased fans would be to have to hang about for ages.

And then how do these fans all get away from the area etc

 

[christinaa]

A group of world-leading heart doctors have warned about the potential cardiac risks of the coronavirus to sportspeople and recommended that elite athletes should not return to exercise for at least two weeks after a positive test.

 

[RobinLFC]

You absolutely totally proved it's not workable when you became a piss nazi. I'd imagine it's illegal to do what you propose.

Imagine not being allowed to serve food or drink either.

And how pleased fans would be to have to hang about for ages.

And then how do these fans all get away from the area etc

What?

I'm sure there's 20% of ST holders who'd still want to come to watch the games. If people don't agree, they'll stay away and your problem of "who gets to go" already gets a little easier.

 

[yumtum]

You absolutely totally proved it's not workable when you became a piss nazi. I'd imagine it's illegal to do what you propose.

Imagine not being allowed to serve food or drink either.

And how pleased fans would be to have to hang about for ages.

And then how do these fans all get away from the area etc

Was going to say that when I read that post!

It would take two hours to get in the stadium, then 105 minutes worth of football/half time, followed by another two hours of leaving, that's almost 6 hours without being able to piss or get refreshments - that's without taking the travel time to and from the stadium.

Guess it could solve the question of which of the season ticket holders get to attend though, have a contest of who can last longer without going to the toilet - anything under 6 hours and you're disqualified.

 

[RobinLFC]

Was going to say that when I read that post!

It would take two hours to get in the stadium, then 105 minutes worth of football/half time, followed by another two hours of leaving, that's almost 6 hours without being able to piss or get refreshments - that's without taking the travel time to and from the stadium.

Guess it could solve the question of which of the season ticket holders get to attend though, have a contest of who can last longer without going to the toilet - anything under 6 hours and you're disqualified.

No, FIFO would mean you get to leave immediately after the game if you had to go in two hours beforehand. And I'm not saying that's the way it'll happen, but it's a possibility - otherwise fixed moments for each section of the stadium might be an option too, but if the toilets at OT are anything like those at Anfield, I don't think it's gonna be workable without breaching social distancing requirements.

 

[yumtum]

No, FIFO would mean you get to leave immediately after the game if you had to go in two hours beforehand. And I'm not saying that's the way it'll happen, but it's a possibility - otherwise fixed moments for each section of the stadium might be an option too, but if the toilets at OT are anything like those at Anfield, I don't think it's gonna be workable without breaching social distancing requirements.

FIFO?

If you mean first in, last out that would sti be almost 4 hours (not unreasonable, if you live close to the stadium) and that's if you can manage to get 10k people in and out that fast.

Then you'd also have to rely on people being able to queue politely, and as you can see with the beaches pictures coming out, I wouldn't want to surround myself with people who couldn't follow simple instructions while going through that process!

I think someone needs to crack VR for football.

 

[RobinLFC]

FIFO?

If you mean first in, last out that would sti be almost 4 hours (not unreasonable, if you live close to the stadium) and that's if you can manage to get 10k people in and out that fast.

Then you'd also have to rely on people being able to queue politely, and as you can see with the beaches pictures coming out, I wouldn't want to surround myself with people who couldn't follow simple instructions while going through that process!

I think someone needs to crack VR for football.

First In First Out, e.g game at 2pm: Stand A has to get in between 12pm and 12:30pm but also gets to leave between 3:45pm and 4:15pm. Stand D has to get in between 1:30pm and 2pm but also leaves last, between 5:15pm and 5:45pm.

Of course everything stands or falls with people being able to follow the guidelines but that's not different than stores, supermarkets, and all other places which are slowly re-opening. If you can't follow the rules (simple-minded as some football fans are), you're out.

Again, this is not something I'm proposing myself or anything, but I think football clubs are already looking into these kind of scenarios to at least have some kind of attendance during home games. Makes for a better atmosphere (limited, albeit) and gives them some gate revenue as well.

 

[Pagh Wraith]

You won't be allowed to leave at the same time. Last ones in before the game should be the last ones out, and first ones in the first ones out, also per stand and per section. Maybe they might contemplate keeping the drink&food stands closed, and that your'e also not allowed to leave your seat during HT. Take a piss at home before the game, and if you desperately need to go during the game, you need to exit the stadium and can't re-enter. Harsh, but the only workable solution - you simply can't have fans arbitrarily choosing when to go for a piss during the game because in that case you can't control or keep your social distancing rules.

I dunno, maybe it's just too complicated. But if there's even a slight chance that this would work, I'd imagine clubs are already looking into making it happen. Even at 1/3 stadium capacity, the gate revenue of Old Trafford amounts to a million or so, probably.

Think that's over the top and if they allow fans back into the stadia it will just be with masks and at reduced capacity along with no away fans or standing areas. There have been demonstrations with 10.000 people where social distancing was more or less observed so I'm sure it's possible to have the same number of people queue up at the turnstiles in an orderly fashion. The chance of getting infected outdoors is pretty minimal as studies and empirical evidence seems to suggest. All the new outbreaks we've had here recently have been in places like churches, restaurants and slaughterhouses, i.e. a lot of people in confined spaces. The countless mass gatherings didn't seem to have an effect.

 

[yumtum]

First In First Out, e.g game at 2pm: Stand A has to get in between 12pm and 12:30pm but also gets to leave between 3:45pm and 4:15pm. Stand D has to get in between 1:30pm and 2pm but also leaves last, between 5:15pm and 5:45pm.

Of course everything stands or falls with people being able to follow the guidelines but that's not different than stores, supermarkets, and all other places which are slowly re-opening. If you can't follow the rules (simple-minded as some football fans are), you're out.

Again, this is not something I'm proposing myself or anything, but I think football clubs are already looking into these kind of scenarios to at least have some kind of attendance during home games. Makes for a better atmosphere (limited, albeit) and gives them some gate revenue as well.

I think this just highlights what an awful job you have if you're part of the team that has to decide all these.