Coronavirus in football

Smores said:
The PL have introduced new rules. Doesn't need to be 9 months and certainly not stopping players from seeing families but as above did Lingard and Rashford really need to go to a fashion show? Common sense stuff.

The issue is people socialise according to their vaccination status reducing their own health risk, yet that doesn't stop isolation so obviously we're seeing more games off. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
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But doesn’t unvaccinated people have to isolate if they’re in contact with this new variant anyway? It’s almost impossible to keep out, we have World leaders catching it. Added in factor is footballers are stupid. Even during the last lockdown we had idiots like Kyle Walker having sex parties or celebrating new year in large groups. We really have to be realistic.
only way we can avoid this is not with random breaks, that will do very little , but have all players jabbed and boosted. That’s just not going to happen and, because of that, we will keep getting mass shutdowns at training grounds.
 
SilentWitness said:
I mean, aside from people potentially dying and just looking at football, you wouldn't care if it meant United went 3 or 4 games without winning because they didn't have the best players available due to cases?
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Sure, but what's the endgame? COVID is here to stay. Do we just shut down every year from here on out?

At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and move on. Not ideal in the slightest, but that's life.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Sure, but what's the endgame? COVID is here to stay. Do we just shut down every year from here on out?

At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and move on. Not ideal in the slightest, but that's life.
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It's only been 2 years. It is likely that things will eventually balance and like a cold or flu you will have people get it but not have to be out / only one or two at a time. At the moment we are having multiple players at a time be ill with it in the same teams and in the cases of some players it is having long lasting impacts so yeah, in these early stages we need to be a little more careful.
 
If the PL don't intend having a break they at least need to have some guidelines on what is required for a game to be postponed. The EFL have just released a statement stating that if a team has 14 players (including goalkeeper) available they will be expected to play.

Interestingly they also gave stats on vaccinations amongst the 72 EFL sides and 25% of players state they do not intend to get vaccinated. 59% are double vaccinated with 16% having had one dose/intend to get vaccinated. If those figures are similar in the PL it's no wonder that it's spreading quickly amongst them.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
If the PL don't intend having a break they at least need to have some guidelines on what is required for a game to be postponed. The EFL have just released a statement stating that if a team has 14 players (including goalkeeper) available they will be expected to play.

Interestingly they also gave stats on vaccinations amongst the 72 EFL sides and 25% of players state they do not intend to get vaccinated. 59% are double vaccinated with 16% having had one dose/intend to get vaccinated. If those figures are similar in the PL it's no wonder that it's spreading quickly amongst them.
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Those figures just show what they are up against. In the PL I'd guess the clubs with strong leadership like Liverpool given Klopp's quotes are up towards 100% (I think Wolves are similar) and others are dragging it down significantly.
 
Just looking at the figures, looking for some clarification.

442,378 cases confirmed in last 7 days.
11,708 confirmed Omicron cases since first identified.

So are the vast majority of cases non-Omicton or does the data confirming it's a particular variant only come a few days after official numbers are published, hence the 430,670 gap between the two?

Feel free to post this in the Covid group in the generals as I don't have access to post, but can keep an eye on to read.

Thanks
 
Class of 1902 said:
Just looking at the figures, looking for some clarification.

442,378 cases confirmed in last 7 days.
11,708 confirmed Omicron cases since first identified.

So are the vast majority of cases non-Omicton or does the data confirming it's a particular variant only come a few days after official numbers are published, hence the 430,670 gap between the two?

Feel free to post this in the Covid group in the generals as I don't have access to post, but can keep an eye on to read.

Thanks
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Omicron was 60% of cases in London on 12th. Today probably around half of the reported cases in UK are omicron and the infections that are actually happening today are well over 50%.
 
At least we have the consolation that every other PL club is going to eventually suffer the same fixture congestion as United.

And given that United's squad got struck with Omicron first, that should mean we'll recover first as well. Hopefully Rangnick can use that spare time on the training ground to get his ideas across ready for the second half of the season.

So if we're looking for a silver lining, this mid-season break might actually benefit clubs with new managers like United and Spurs.
 
Posted this in its own thread, but it got locked, so reposting here -

With the rising Covid cases in the UK, and across football, and various games being cancelled - it poses the question - should unvaccinated players be barred from playing?

I get that a person's medical records should remain private, and that it's a human right to keep your medical stance / status to yourself, so there's that side of the argument as well. However, in the exceptional circumstances of a global pandemic, and the fact that unvaxxed players are high risk - it will cause further disruption and difficulty to games and scheduling as well as the obvious wider health reasons.

The most recent data I can find for the PL is this -

Premier League: 68 per cent of players fully vaccinated against Covid-19, 81 per cent have received first dose
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Premier League released vaccination rates among players; 81 per cent have had first jab and 68 per cent are fully vaccinated; PL said it "continues to work with clubs to encourage vaccination among players and club staff"
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This was as of October 2021 (article here).

Listening to the radio just now, I'm hearing that 75% of players are now fully vaccinated, with the remaining 25% refusing to take the vaccine (not sure which figures are correct this or the article). Should the 25% be barred from playing?
 
The Corinthian said:
Posted this in its own thread, but it got locked, so reposting here -

With the rising Covid cases in the UK, and across football, and various games being cancelled - it poses the question - should unvaccinated players be barred from playing?

I get that a person's medical records should remain private, and that it's a human right to keep your medical stance / status to yourself, so there's that side of the argument as well. However, in the exceptional circumstances of a global pandemic, and the fact that unvaxxed players are high risk - it will cause further disruption and difficulty to games and scheduling as well as the obvious wider health reasons.

The most recent data I can find for the PL is this -


This was as of October 2021 (article here).

Listening to the radio just now, I'm hearing that 75% of players are now fully vaccinated, with the remaining 25% refusing to take the vaccine (not sure which figures are correct this or the article). Should the 25% be barred from playing?
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Pretty sure the last job that needs mandatory vaccination in a global pandemic is football
 
Cassidy said:
Pretty sure the last job that needs mandatory vaccination in a global pandemic is football
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You're totally missing the point. It's footballers that are refusing the vaccine - should they be barred from playing?
 
The Corinthian said:
You're totally missing the point. It's footballers that are refusing the vaccine - should they be barred from playing?
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That'd be comedy.
Barred from accessing grounds unless double jabbed.

THEN we'd see them pretty quickly get it, as they'd be fined for not being available.
 
I'd say ban unvaccinated players when cases are above a certain threshold, let them play again when cases drop below whatever number.
 
75% are fully vaccinated? Postpone the league for 2 weeks, give them all the booster jab then ban unvaccinated from playing until it's safe.
 
Sandikan said:
That'd be comedy.
Barred from accessing grounds unless double jabbed.

THEN we'd see them pretty quickly get it, as they'd be fined for not being available.
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This is what I was going to get to as well - if unvaxxed means they're ineligible to play then it must also mean they're in breach of contract too.
 
The Corinthian said:
You're totally missing the point. It's footballers that are refusing the vaccine - should they be barred from playing?
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No I am not missing the point. As I said, mandatory vaccination should not be a requirement to play football. I'm basically saying no.

You are effectively saying it should be mandatory to be vaccinated to be allowed to play, I'm disagreeing.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Okay Adolf.
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Vaccinations are to prevent the NHS getting overrun. If cases go to a point that the NHS is getting overwhielmed it makes sense you then stop unvaccinated people mingling as they are the most likely to end up in hospital.
 
Ixion said:
Vaccinations are to prevent the NHS getting overrun. If cases go to a point that the NHS is getting overwhielmed it makes sense you then stop unvaccinated people mingling as they are the most likely to end up in hospital.
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Is it the case that the spread of omicron is directly related to unvaccinated people?
 
Cassidy said:
No I am not missing the point. As I said, mandatory vaccination should not be a requirement to play football. I'm basically saying no.

You are effectively saying it should be mandatory to be vaccinated to be allowed to play, I'm disagreeing.
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What you were saying wasn't clear at all. You intimated that there are other jobs that are more pressing for a vaccine than football, and (reading between the lines) the vaccines for footballers should be done after all these jobs are done.
 
The Corinthian said:
What you were saying wasn't clear at all. You intimated that there are other jobs that are more pressing for a vaccine than football, and (reading between the lines) the vaccines for footballers should be done after all these jobs are done.
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No that's just metal gymnastics.
What I was saying it football is one of the last professions that needs mandatory vaccinations in a global pandemic.
I didn't even get into whether mandatory vaccinations was right or not.
 
Cassidy said:
Is it the case that the spread of omicron is directly related to unvaccinated people?
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No, and that is not what I said. If you can chose whether vaccinated people or unvaccinated people get it you would pick the former as they're less likely to end up in a serious condition and in hospital which in turn can overwhelm the health service. That is the sole reason you would put up restrictions for unvaccinated people anywhere. It is nothing to do with discrimination, it is to protect the NHS.
 
Ixion said:
No, and that is not what I said. If you can chose whether vaccinated people or unvaccinated people get it you would pick the former as they're less likely to end up in a serious condition and in hospital which in turn can overwhelm the health service. That is the sole reason you would put up restrictions for unvaccinated people anywhere. It is nothing to do with discrimination, it is to protect the NHS.
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And you think the unvaccinated 25% of PL footballers is going to overwhelm the NHS?
 
I still think a very quick fire break or BCD is the worst case but it's quite eiree how Arsenal vs West Ham and Chelsea vs Everton are once again in the round of fixtures that appear to be precluding a big change.
 
Cassidy said:
And you think the unvaccinated 25% of PL footballers is going to overwhelm the NHS?
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Well I think I would apply the same rules to all unvaccinated people and they'd simply be included. Once a threshold is reached and the NHS is starting to creek, require a vaccination to work at the office, go into restaurants, cinemas, events etc. until the numbers in hospital reduce.
 
Ixion said:
Well I think I would apply the same rules to all unvaccinated people and they'd simply be included. Once a threshold is reached and the NHS is starting to creek, require a vaccination to work at the office, go into restaurants, cinemas, events etc. until the numbers in hospital reduce.
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Or we could try to give people things that treat the underlying issues that cause serious illness, instead of sending people home for 2 weeks before they become seriously I'll and require hospitalisation?
Vaccination isn't really the saviour here as Omnicron is clearly showing, whilst vaccination is great there is plenty of other things that should be happening that isn't

Sticking to the point about football though makes zero sense and wouldn't have much impact. The virus will still spread and games would still get postponed.
 
Cassidy said:
Or we could try to give people things that treat the underlying issues that cause serious illness, instead of sending people home for 2 weeks before they become seriously I'll and require hospitalisation?
Vaccination isn't really the saviour here as Omnicron is clearly showing, whilst vaccination is great there is plenty of other things that should be happening that isn't
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Death rates are no longer following positive cases like the extent of last year so vaccinations are clearly working. Just because a vaccinated person can still get covid it doesn't mean it hasn't worked, if it prevents them going to hospital then it has worked just fine.
 
Ixion said:
Death rates are no longer following positive cases like the extent of last year so vaccinations are clearly working. Just because a vaccinated person can still get covid it doesn't mean it hasn't worked, if it prevents them going to hospital then it has worked just fine.
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Where have I said the vaccination isn't working?
The point I am making is we have totally negated any form of treatment for anyone until they are critically ill in hospital, and this is one of the major reasons why hospitalisation rates skyrocketed before.
If another variant pops up that is more effective than omicron in causing serious harm, we will be in the same place. The effort of vaccinating all the people and not bothering with other things we should be looking at will bite us in the ass
 
Cassidy said:
Where have I said the vaccination isn't working?
The point I am making is we have totally negated any form of treatment for anyone until they are critically ill in hospital, and this is one of the major reasons why hospitalisation rates skyrocketed before.
If another variant pops up that is more effective than omicron in causing serious harm, we will be in the same place. The effort of vaccinating all the people and not bothering with other things we should be looking at will bite us in the ass
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….no, no we aren’t? Are you expecting a miracle cure for a respiratory disease?

There is magnitudes more research going into preventing serious illness than you could imagine. The thing is it’s actually quite difficult. The vaccine itself does a lot of heavy lifting in preventing serious illness, and a treatment pill has been approved that has a 84%~ success rate in reducing underlying problems escalating.

The reason for previous hospitalisation was there was essentially very very little that could be done until oxygen requirement. There’s generations and billions went into research for easing of respiratory illnesses.


Morpheus 7 said:
Okay Adolf.
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Okay Neanderthal. Let us know when evolution catches up and whatever “free thinking” phase you think your on is over.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The WC is in November isn't it, but as I said earlier I am sure they are having the Nations League again this summer. There are too many people involved in PL,UEFA, FIFA and media who are thinking about themselves and not looking at the big picture.
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It's a long way off, but, given the spike in infections we've seen in Europe, Russia and N. America in autumn 2020 & 2021, a November 2022 World Cup looks like an exceedingly bad idea.

Not sure where we'll be a year from now, but you could easily envisage a situation where it cannot go ahead as planned.
 
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