Coronavirus in football

Infra-red said:
It's a long way off, but, given the spike in infections we've seen in Europe, Russia and N. America in autumn 2020 & 2021, a November 2022 World Cup looks like an exceedingly bad idea.

Not sure where we'll be a year from now, but you could easily envisage a situation where it cannot go ahead as planned.
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I think it is absolutely nonsensical to consider banning any unvaccinated player. What would the benefit be in banning them? A vaccinated person can still catch Covid and can still pass it on, as can an unvaccinated person.

And as the vaccinated person is vaccinated, what is there to worry about?

As for suspending the league, I do not see the benefit in this. What may be necessary however is for games to be played behind closed doors. Banning unvaccinated people from the grounds is nonsensical as I have already mentioned, vaccinated people can get and transmit Covid just like the unvaccinated.
 
BootsyCollins said:
Are you really comparing someone wanting unvaxed players to not be able to play football for a limited time with one of the worst human beeing ever born responcible for millions of people murdered and millions more suffering?
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Seems like it. It’s become a refrain from the wackos recently.
 
Infra-red said:
It's a long way off, but, given the spike in infections we've seen in Europe, Russia and N. America in autumn 2020 & 2021, a November 2022 World Cup looks like an exceedingly bad idea.

Not sure where we'll be a year from now, but you could easily envisage a situation where it cannot go ahead as planned.
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I don't mean this to be as condescending as it's going to sound but the world cup isn't in any of those places and Qatar will still have summer temperatures.
 
Just seeing the vaccination numbers amongst players, under 60%, it’s hard not to get angry at this latest outbreak. At what point are we going to make vaccinations mandatory for everyone? These cnuts are putting everyone else at risk. fecking fed up of it.

I just had two employees test positive, turns out they weren’t vaccinated. I’m now making everyone provide a negative test within 48 hours of working a shift, to be able to work, unless they can provide their original vaccination card and we have a copy on file. It amounts to vaccination being the only viable way for them to keep their job.
 
Dancfc said:
I don't mean this to be as condescending as it's going to sound but the world cup isn't in any of those places and Qatar will still have summer temperatures.
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The issue will be the players/fans from nations in those areas, rather than the host nation.
 
simonhch said:
Just seeing the vaccination numbers amongst players, under 60%, it’s hard not to get angry at this latest outbreak. At what point are we going to make vaccinations mandatory for everyone? These cnuts are putting everyone else at risk. fecking fed up of it.

I just had two employees test positive, turns out they weren’t vaccinated. I’m now making everyone provide a negative test within 48 hours of working a shift, to be able to work, unless they can provide their original vaccination card and we have a copy on file. It amounts to vaccination being the only viable way for them to keep their job.
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"No jab, no job" is a bit tricky from an employment law perspective, not to mention the wider ethical arguments. I don't see it ever happening.
 
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Injecting a vaccine into a healthy young adult that have non existent risk of developing any serious illness to allow them play football? yes that is very ethical.
 
Infra-red said:
"No jab, no job" is a bit tricky from an employment law perspective, not to mention the wider ethical arguments. I don't see it ever happening.
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That’s why I didn’t do it. But I made the negative test requirements such a pain, that that is effectively what it is.
 
Our game is going ahead but Curtis Jones, Van Dijk and Fabinho are all missing with suspected positive tests. Waiting on PCR results, isolating etc. Rest of the squad tested negative.
 
Postponement seems like the only option. Too many games getting canceled.
 
Excuses excuses. If Belenenses can field 9 players and 2 goalies. I want to see it in the PL too!
 
Bratt said:
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Get off the stage, Henry.
 
Cassidy said:
Or we could try to give people things that treat the underlying issues that cause serious illness, instead of sending people home for 2 weeks before they become seriously I'll and require hospitalisation?
Vaccination isn't really the saviour here as Omnicron is clearly showing, whilst vaccination is great there is plenty of other things that should be happening that isn't

Sticking to the point about football though makes zero sense and wouldn't have much impact. The virus will still spread and games would still get postponed.
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The booster vaccine has shown that it fights Omicron effectively. That’s the point of them.
 
The weekends games mostly gone now. Strange that Norwich requested a postponement.
I would hazard a guess that Leeds will be next to request a postponement ahead of their Arsenal game.
 
Giggsyking said:
Injecting a vaccine into a healthy young adult that have non existent risk of developing any serious illness to allow them play football? yes that is very ethical.
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I'm sorry, what? There are many cases of young, healthy people developing issues as a result of Covid. Footballers too.

It's magnitudes higher than any vaccine related risk.
 
Giggsyking said:
Injecting a vaccine into a healthy young adult that have non existent risk of developing any serious illness to allow them play football? yes that is very ethical.
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Maybe get out of your cave and realise no-one has "non existent" risk with this.
 
Serious question: what is the end point here?

Covid is here to stay. It will be here for many many years...People will catch it and give it regardless of their vaccination/booster status, so Vaccines aren't the way out of "catching or spreading" covid, but to lessen its severety on your health in case you got it.

Liveprool just had 3 double-jabbed players test positive today, probably many more of them to follow the next few days....many triple-jabbed have tested positive across the world last few days (going by Israeli data)...

Are we just going to cancel football every winter? This is unbelievably unsustainable ...

And this is just football....not to mention other industries like travel or hospitality that have been absolutely ruined and a return to the March 2020 outlook (looks like the world is heading that way) will flatten them senselessly with little hope of revival.

It's here. It's here to stay. It's here to be with us until we die. Learn a way to live with it...otherwise, we're just kicking the can down the road and we're back on square one next winter again.

They've had 2 years (and not just in UK, most world) to build hospitals, increase ICU beds, train specialists, etc so the health systems don't crash so easily, and yet we're hearing the EXACT same noise as "2 weeks to flatten the curve" of 21 months ago.

Just frustrated beyond believe here...and worried about the mass hyperinflation we're witnessing all over the world and how it's going to get significantly worse with constant changes to supply chains, border closures, industries shutting off, and the uncertainty over businesses (including football).
 
I think the only fair thing to do here is to postpone for two weeks and deduct 15 points from City and Chelsea.

Hard to see any other fair option.
 
According to the law in many countries, a person whose intentional or reckless behavior spreads an infectious disease will face criminal charges. So there's a discussion to be had about antivaxxers, they may not be intentionally spreading the disease but not getting a vaccine is definitely a reckless behavior.
 
Just stop it for a week. Tell all the players and families they have to isolate without fail for 7 days, doing a PCR each day, no guests etc. By the time we get to next Friday we will be covid free and the games can go ahead on Boxing Day.

People have been isolating on off for the best part of two years, there’s no reason why multi millionaires can’t live in their giant houses for a week on full pay.
 
Klopper76 said:
I think the only fair thing to do here is to postpone for two weeks and deduct 15 points from City and Chelsea.

Hard to see any other fair option.
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Yes, can’t keep having 5+ games being postponed each game week otherwise teams will end up being 4+ games behind.
 
I bet the only reason they've not called off these other two is because they've now left it too late.
 
simonhch said:
Just seeing the vaccination numbers amongst players, under 60%, it’s hard not to get angry at this latest outbreak. At what point are we going to make vaccinations mandatory for everyone? These cnuts are putting everyone else at risk. fecking fed up of it.

I just had two employees test positive, turns out they weren’t vaccinated. I’m now making everyone provide a negative test within 48 hours of working a shift, to be able to work, unless they can provide their original vaccination card and we have a copy on file. It amounts to vaccination being the only viable way for them to keep their job.
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It's easy to blame players but I'm assuming a lot aren't being granted time off to recover from the associated post-injection fatigue. 2-3 days, in some cases up to a week.

I honestly think we need to look at the officiating bodies for not doing some kind of controlled break for vaccinations mid-season. They've had a huge part to play in this mess.

Edit - That's not to say some players aren't just being idiots. I'm sure plenty are.
 
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