Coronavirus in football
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Yeah, there's no way the Premier League is going to go forward with games this weekend the way it's heading. I'd be surprised if the Boxing Day fixtures also stay on.
Cancel the league, send the current top 4 to the cl.
PPG. Deduct 5 points for any teams with managers with toupees.
There’s been 221 people between the ages of 20-29 in the entire population here that have required an ICU bed, in a population of 10.5m, and of that 27 deaths. The overwhelming majority of those 221 had several underlying health conditions.
So I think “get out of your cave” is a little off in fairness. The risk is absolutely minuscule for that age group, and even less still for World Class athletes.
No there isn't a cure. There are already things that can be done about the underlying issues that cause serious illness though. This can lead to less serious illness and thus less hospitalisations.
On the contrary there isn’t alot of research going into treatment actually and thats a major issue
You are hospitalised at the moment when its already very serious and some times too late
Yeah it’s also about spreading it though isn’t it? That’s the the thing a lot of people who don’t want the vaccine are only looking at themselves. Sure it’s your choice, just like it’s our choice to take it. Seems like equal freedom. Until the part where the people who choose not to take it impacts the people who do. Not really equal freedom is it?
The vaccine quite obviously is not preventing the spread. It is preventing deaths not the spread. This is why this new variant is shutting down games
To be honest again here, us double vaxxed aren’t doing a great job of not spreading it either are we?
Actually the relaxed rules for the vaxxed is what has exacerbated the spread
Sadly true.
Yeah, which is why we’re in this bizarre situation where we’re talking about shutting down the league when most people are vaxxed. Whereas a year ago we were not vaxxed and playing 3 games a week.
Vaccinated can still spread it just as easily, they are just generally infectious for a shorter period of time, hopefully when the nasal vaccines start being available, around June time, people vaccinated with nasal vaccine shouldn't spread infection anywhere near as easily as it will imunize the mucosal system where injections do not.
Imagine the antics if there were no cancellations, and teams had to field players from their academy and youth teams etc. Stretching far and wide to every corner of your club to put together a match day squad. That would really have been something.
If this wasn’t due a pandemic and there weren’t lives and medical resources on the line I would have loved to see that.
If this wasn’t due a pandemic and there weren’t lives and medical resources on the line I would have loved to see that.
Not a lot they can do if loads of players are meaning games constantly being shut down.
Would have to bring back the stringent rules they had for players last time round.
Should they have been relaxed in the first place?
The whole country relaxed, so you can't blame players for going out to places now they're allowed again.
Isn't that a topic for the clubs, too?
Again should that have happened the way it did?
When you’re vaxxed you can go to venues without a negative test. Pretty stupid that, considering being vaxxed doesn't stop you getting infected or spreading it.
They really should postpone the world cup until 2023, forget silly tradition and put the footballers health first because with this new covid outbreak it means a gruelling fixture congestion after the new year and it will just be like that all the way up until the silly winter world cup in Qatar
What am I missing.
This whole thing is exacerbated by the rules around the non-vaxxers though, surely? Take Liverpool. They have 3 players out due to covid and can play the game without problems. Regardless of whether those 3 were vaxxed or not, it means everyone else was. So games can continue. Now, if some of those players were not vaxxed, they'd have to sit it out for 10 days and the game could have been called off like ours. So in this situation, it's the rules governing the non-vaxxers that is determining the football rather than the spread.
Playing devil's advocate, if the non-vaxxers aren't getting vaccinated because they don't think they're gonna catch it or aren't bothered if they do, shouldn't the rules be changed to say, you only have to sit it out if you actually test positive? Especially since it appears being vaxxed doesn't even prevent spread. So you can't argue that the non-vaxxers are more likely to spread it and should therefore stay separated. Haven't thought about it massively, but feel like it makes sense.
Playing devil's advocate, if the non-vaxxers aren't getting vaccinated because they don't think they're gonna catch it or aren't bothered if they do, shouldn't the rules be changed to say, you only have to sit it out if you actually test positive? Especially since it appears being vaxxed doesn't even prevent spread. So you can't argue that the non-vaxxers are more likely to spread it and should therefore stay separated. Haven't thought about it massively, but feel like it makes sense.
It’s an away match?
Oh ok thanks. I expected the home match to be listed first and I saw Everton vs Leicester in the tweet so I was really confused.
No one has ever said it would, zero Covid was never a realistic possibility. The whole idea was being vaxxed turning it into a mild desease by inlarge like any other previously brutal one (even the Bubonic Plague still exists).
Before this new variant there was even noises that complusory isolation for fully vaxxed positive cases were going to end around March time. The eventual reality will be Covid in general circulation like the common cold.
Before this new variant…. Proves my point. It was stupid, we’re not at a place yet where we can be sure a new variant isnt going to be dangerous. So even if you’re vaxxed you should have to show a negative test to enter a venue. The reason they decided not to do that at first was because they were peddling the theory that being vaxxed slowed/stopped infection. Which has proven to be horseshit, and it was proven wrong very early during the vaccination process too, yet they never changed tact, not even after the delta variant scare.
Doubly embarrassing since nazi Germany actually removed all vaccine mandates.
If you eat processed food you can take the vaccine. End of all arguments regarding vaccines.
How do people not realise that the point of being vaccinated is to reduce the threat of the virus, not to stop spreading it.
It means that less people will need to be hospitalised which in turn means hospitals not being overrun which in turn means society being able to open up more and more.
It means that less people will need to be hospitalised which in turn means hospitals not being overrun which in turn means society being able to open up more and more.
Far too complex an idea to grasp for many. These last few years, probably since Brexit vote have really shown just how thick people are.
Interesting to hear from Klopp that the entire Liverpool squad and coaching team is double vaxxed. It's quite clear from Klopp that he's not gonna take any BS from his team regarding vaccination. Wish the cnuts in our team would follow suit.
Well they have real leadership now so hopefully it is the case.
Come on, you want to deny our million pounds a month prima donnas freedom of choice? Have you no shame? They have feelings or something.
What i dont quite understand is how someone who makes a really good living from beeing in top shape would refuse a vaccine that reduces the risk of getting sick from a disease that affects your lungs. I can understand they are not afraid of going to the ICU or dying from it, but their whole lifes is build around beeing able to run alot.
Tbf it’s easier to convince a whole squad who conveniently all happen to be “asthmatic” to take the vaccine.
Just shows a completely different mentality to our squad and Liverpool, they have all had it because scientifically it will give them the best chance of being able to continue playing and win the league. Time and time and time again, they beat us in every department, coaching recruitment, contract renewals managers the list is endless.
a collective winning mentality we can only dream of replicating. Bravo Klopp
Wales... Golf... Covid... Madrid...
And no surprise that they’ve avoided an outbreak like ours. See also Leeds, who also had 100% uptake.
For all the talk of Ole’s legacy causing us problems on the pitch, it’s his lack of firm leadership off the pitch on this particular issue that could hurt us most of all.