Cop in America doing a bad job, again

Ramshock said:
Black Americans can be totally racist and especially to white people. All races are inherently racist but when you have had hundreds of years of oppression and still are targeted because of your skin pigment then its really hard to expect them to take a passive position on this.
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This view point really annoys me. No form of racism is more acceptable than another based on the colour of the perpetrators skin. It only serves to perpetuate the problem.
 
vi1lain said:
Using statistics to define and understand human behaviour is nice in theory but ignores a lot of variables which won't show up in your data.
For example does it highlight the ethnic neighbourhoods which were flourishing, creating jobs, businesses, top schools and comparatively high incomes - only to be burned to the ground by neighbouring white neighbours? That then keeps the status quo and doesn't allow blacks and other minorities to create their own wealth.

What about the Ronald Reagan era and the introduction of drugs in targeted communities? Which not only creates a cycle of abuse, but often times removes a parent or both parents from households forcing kids to grow up not just in poverty but without guidance.
Education funding being directly linked to the affluence of the area in which the school is?
The FBI's illegal activities relating to the Black Panthers, MLK, Malcolm X, James Baldwin and similar organisations and individuals?

I could go on, point is, you can't reduce the construct of racism to data, all the data will show you is a very one dimensional perspective that doesn't take into account human behaviour influenced by racism. I mean you're talking about crime and ethnicity as if there isn't other data that proves racial profiling exists. Then you've got human accounts who have worked in the force who will also tell you the same. But that won't show in statistics, all you'll see is positive reinforcement that crime and ethnicity are linked. That was kind of the point. If you over police any area you'll find all sorts of crime. When you've got people of ethnic minorities getting larger sentences for the same crime as white people, usually drug related.
What you won't see is members of the KKK knowingly hired by police forces. Or judges, lawyers, businessmen being part of the KKK also.

So again while it is not all as it appears on the surface about racism. Using data is a way of minimising the effect of racism, but also the behaviour of humans with regards to racism is very one dimensional.
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I appreciate the time you took to respond....... Some interesting points that tie in and kind of highlight what I was talking about.

Of course you cannot simply rely upon 'data' to prove or disprove racism exists.... however, constantly throughout this thread and countless others like it, 'numbers' and 'data' are all we see regarding the level of incarceration, traffic stops, police brutality etc.... In an attempt to show that Racial Prejudice exists against Black America. The variables referred to as the 'human element' are of no concern to those that use them, (on either side)... and that's my point, you cannot have an entire argument based around figures then attempt to debunk them as being one dimensional when they highlight differences to the intended agenda.. That's not a criticism of you by any means, I am speaking generally.

The conclusion is that there are many variables that contribute to societal issues, all of which are interlinked to some degree, simply claiming that one is more important than the other is a personal bias based upon the personal experience of those involved. People are just too quick to make a snap judgement based upon very brief limited exposure to information.
 
Dwazza said:
It is, but because it has a net benefit to society and does not make negative decisions based on race, people tend to look the other way.

Let me guess, some of your best friends are black, right?
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129104946 said:
I'm actually mixed race, and most of my friends are black. But it's funny because your stereotypes seem more racist than anything that cop did.
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The oldest online closet racist trick in the book. :lol: Pretending your of another race just to ram home a point and then call the other person a racist.
Are you Donald Trump?
Why have you got 'United Fan' under your username? Your a Chelsea fan!
 
psychdelicblues said:
The oldest online closet racist trick in the book. :lol: Pretending your of another race just to ram home a point and then call the other person a racist.
Are you Donald Trump?
Why have you got 'United Fan' under your username? Your a Chelsea fan!
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Yes, I am Donald Trump the Chelsea fan. Funny :lol:
 
Blodssvik said:
Do we know that he would have acted differently towards a white person?
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Was she ordered out of the car? In a normal stop for a driving infraction (maybe not in TX?) you stay in your car and hand over your license and registration. And then, after 10/15 mins or so, you get a ticket. End of, usually.
I could see myself getting arrested if I got out of the car when I'm not asked to.
 
Dwazza said:
It is, but because it has a net benefit to society and does not make negative decisions based on race, people tend to look the other way.

Let me guess, some of your best friends are black, right?
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129104946 said:
I'm actually mixed race, and most of my friends are black. But it's funny because your stereotypes seem more racist than anything that cop did.
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psychdelicblues said:
The oldest online closet racist trick in the book. :lol: Pretending your of another race just to ram home a point and then call the other person a racist.
Are you Donald Trump?
Why have you got 'United Fan' under your username? Your a Chelsea fan!
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129104946 said:
Yes, I am Donald Trump the Chelsea fan. Funny :lol:
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psychdelicblues said:
Hi Nick! funny........enjoy your stay here.:lol:
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R.I.P. 129104946......................Cnut.
 
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Nobby style said:
God, this is nasty. Unarmed guy who´s car is stalled on the road, with his hands up, gets killed by a cop. Just seems like you find a stranded motorist in a stalled car on the road, and there´s four of you, maybe you should have a bit more of a helpful attitude. Guess that´s just not the case anymore.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...hows-oklahoma-police-kill-unarmed-man-n650866
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That's so sad, the guy has his hands up yet the police officer says that he's refusing to show his hands.
It's a bit unnerving that both yours and my posts concern the state of Oklahoma.
 
There's a numbness to how often it happens.

I think a 13 year old boy was shot while holding a BB gun last week.

Is there even a point arguing about why they shouldn't be killed?

People will always excuse the police for being human and being capable of making mistakes, meanwhile the victims have to be perfect.
 
vi1lain said:
There's a numbness to how often it happens.

I think a 13 year old boy was shot while holding a BB gun last week.

Is there even a point arguing about why they shouldn't be killed?

People will always excuse the police for being human and being capable of making mistakes, meanwhile the victims have to be perfect.
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I don't think anyone sees much wrong with the BB gun incident, to be fair. Initial reports indicated the kid was using it to rob people, meaning it looked real enough, and he pulled it from his waistband when police confronted him.

The guy in the stalled car is pretty fecking horrible, though.
 
Dwazza said:
I don't think anyone sees much wrong with the BB gun incident, to be fair. Initial reports indicated the kid was using it to rob people, meaning it looked real enough, and he pulled it from his waistband when police confronted him.

The guy in the stalled car is pretty fecking horrible, though.
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Like I said there's not much point going back and forth trying to discuss these situations. There's no video evidence, and there's conflicting eye witness reports, and the fact that police reports aren't always factual either.

The only thing we're left with is a 13 year old boy being shot by police.

That's not okay with me, and it will never be okay with me. Others will disagree and that's your prerogative.
Like I said these things happen too frequently that I've just become numb to it now.
 
vi1lain said:
I think a 13 year old boy was shot while holding a BB gun last week.
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The BB gun he pulled on police...
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The Tulsa shooting however... :(
 
Dwazza said:
Not unexpected, I suppose. Your username was throwing me off a bit, though.

Anyway, the US is a nice country. Has some obvious problems but most of the people and landscapes are lovely.
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Ye i know that but I hate everything that country stands for. It's the most corrupt country in the world and there is so much wrong with it.
 
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