Again I don't see what he said as moaning at all - he is being factual. There also was no ultimatum. Please read the full statement he made because I think you are jumping to conclusions here.
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Again I don't see what he said as moaning at all - he is being factual. There also was no ultimatum. Please read the full statement he made because I think you are jumping to conclusions here.
Difference is he does it everywhere he goes.
At Juve he said he doesn't have the resources to compete in Europe then Allegri makes two finals in three years after he goes.
With us he constantly moaned about the squad while calling Harry Kane his dream striker, fast forward a few years and he apparently can't be expected to compete with an inferior Chelsea (to the one he had) in a head to head shortly after we dropped point to Brighton and a depleted Everton when Malang Sarr is marking his supposed dream striker, ok Antonio.
With Inter he kept moaning about backing despite the fact they put themselves in financial difficulty to help him out.
Fully motivated he's a great coach (which he was showing with you pre transfer window aswell especially against Liverpool) which just makes his behaviour even more bizarre, it would be somewhat understandable if he needed the cheque book to look good and this was his way of deflecting that fact but it's not the case atall.
Tbh I sense Spurs fans wanted a manager who was prepared to call out the board.
Oddly enough I could see them nicking a point at City.
Oddly enough I could see them nicking a point at City.
He has maybe one or two bad games per season but generally he is a top class shot stopper and very reliable - he has got better and better in the last few years and he is generally very dependable. We would really struggle to get a better keeper which is why I (and all Spurs fans) where delighted to see him sign a new contract recently. He is also our captain.
Yes most of us are just frustrated and pissed off with Levy and the board - most of us are totally behind Conte and personally I'm delighted he is strong enough to tell them some home truths because this is exactly what they need to hear if they are going to change their ways and do what needs to be done.
I appreciate Spurs fans probably feel that Conte is only voicing what they think and feel, but there's a few issues for me as an outsider.
This damage was done when Levy decided a new stadium and cheese room were more important than backing Pochettino when Spurs were looking like they could have gone on to win the league from a position of strength. Since then, there's been managerial appointments of managers who you would consider if a chairman considered the team capable of competing for trophies, these aren't blokes you'd bring in if you wanted a long term project of team building. For example, Spurs would have been better off deciding the next 3 years are transitional and build towards something again with a coach like Hassenhutl. But in an attempt to prove to Harry Kane that you can actually win something, you've appointed managers that appease his ego instead of being realistic.
So in comes Mourinho and Conte, on big money, no fecks given if they get sacked with a big payout or the damage they do on the way out. Investment has obviously been promised, and maybe Levy hasn't entirely been truthful in keeping those promises, but it's still the managers job to work with what he has and show that he can get the best out of average players. Conte/Mourinho seem to have forgotten this and seem to be managers that think they're entitled to a new 11 whenever they feel like it because they're "winners" and "winners" need lots and lots of money to win things so therefore in can only be the clubs fault for not supporting them.
They're so toxic that they don't care who's career they steamroll in an attempt to absolve themselves from blame of whatever is happening at the club. So maybe some of the first team players aren't up to it, maybe they're not good enough for the top 4. You have a reserves and youth team, are they also totally shit? I doubt Conte even knows they exist. United aren't a shining example of anything but at least Solskjaer had the balls to clear out the shit and go with the kids for a season or so. Conte would never do that because his ego can't take it.
So next season Conte walks, Kane leaves or continues to regress heavily, maybe Madrid or Barcelona come knocking for Son. Then what? In comes someone like Hassenhutl anyway and the rebuild starts again...
Ok but he has installed Skipp straight into the side from virtually his first match - he is now also using Sessegnon who hadn't had a sniff under our previous managers. He also has promoted Harvey White from the youth side straight into the first team squad and is on the bench (I hope he gets some game time because I think he is probably better than Winks) - he also agreed for several of our younger players to finally go on loans which has been badly needed for years.
I know what you are saying but I think because you maybe haven't been following Spurs that much you haven't actually noticed the stuff he has been doing to give younger players a shot. Conte knows what he is doing and sure there is probably an element of moving responsibility onto the board - but I'm totally fine with that because the mess we are in right now is very little to do with Conte and is almost all to do with Levy and the board.
You're right, I haven't watched any of Spurs since Conte took over, except for maybe one game, but all I hear from him is constant moaning about how hard done by he is. So you'll have to forgive me not knowing that he's promoted some youth players. The cynic in me would suggest he's only done it because he had to though, due to injury and whatnot.
He's a good manager, I know that much but it's still his job to make things better, not pour petrol all over the fire. He's purposely saying this stuff to the media to turn the fans against the board. It's drama you don't need or want. There's no reason he can't just get on with things and have these conversations behind closed doors. It also looks to me like he's either trying to get sacked or he's paving the way to walk out at the end of the season and not look like he's a petulant twat for walking out of his last two jobs.
You can agree with someone whilst still thinking they are wrong for saying it out loud in the media. If Ragnick came out and said "Harry Maguire fecking sucks", he would be right in saying that, but he would also be wrong for saying it. Mourinho was right about a lot of things too, but the abdication of responsibility when things aren't going the way you want them to, and talking down your players and separating yourself from the mess at hand to prop oneself up is classic Mourinho behaviour (I say this as a once Mourinho fan).
Everyone knows Spurs are cheap and have a weak squad, and sure, it can be cathartic to hear that your shiny new world-class manager feels the exact same way about your board and players as you do, but who exactly do these truths help? You can convince yourself he's doing it to put pressure on Levy and the owners, but he's doing what he's always done - protecting his own reputation. The thing is, he doesn't even need to do this because everyone with the slightest bit of sense knows this Spurs squad is a mess and it's not on Conte, but his ego can't handle it.
So, once again, we have the story of Conte told by Conte - the perfectionist, the winner, the martyr - fighting against the tide of mediocrity with no one to help him. What a hero.
That certainly is the negative way to look at it. Personally I'm delighted he is calling the board out and hopeful they will back him in the summer. Most Spurs fans I know feel exactly the same way. We have had enough of the shite. Not sure why you are getting so worked up about it.
No I'm not saying this is the ultimatum, but what I'm saying is this looks to me to be the start of the process that may end up with one based on his track record. I could be completely wrong, but he has previous for this. Whether he's right or not is irrelevant (and I agree btw what he is saying is factual) but it sounds to me like the beginning oh him trying to sway the board to his thinking on transfers. How likely is that to succeed? I don't know, but what I do know is that both Levy and Conte have reputations of being stubborn so that's not a great combination. Maybe it won't be this summer, that would be dramatic, but I fully expect Conte's time at spurs to come to an end over transfer disagreements. And that won't mean he's wrong, but as @Dancfc pointed out earlier, he does this everywhere, we knew that before Spurs and it's why I personally wouldn't have wanted him at United.
If he doesn’t get backed in the summer he will walk IMO, and I don’t blame him.
It always seemed an odd appointment by the Levy, as he knew he wasn't going to be able to provide the funds or the team that Conte required in short course. So there were always going to be issues. Maybe they'll just view that as part of him being their manager and not get too exercised by it, but this stuff has a corrosive nature about it. If it goes on endlessly - and that's usually the way with Conte until something gives - then it could easily create the same sort of atmosphere as in Mourinho's time here.
It’s not so much what he is saying about the transfer window, January isn’t ideal to get players is. It’s more his comments in the club and the things he has learnt in his short time with us.
"I’ve always said that I have to feel only one per cent the possibility to win the league,’ he said. ‘Here it is strange because maybe I feel the one per cent possibility to finish fourth."
“Bentancur and Kulusevski are ideal prospects for Tottenham, because Tottenham are seeking young players they can develop and grow, not players who are ready.
'That is the issue. I have realized now that this is the vision of the club."
Exactly. I mean all the people sympathising with Conte, why?
He obviously knew what Spurs are like, he rejected them in the summer for a reason.
Then Spurs coming out saying our philosophy is to buy young players which is opposite to what Conte wants.
You must be fed up having to constantly back these managers, and defending the opposite of what your ears and eyes are hearing and seeing with another spurs manager.
Was the same act with Jose even when everyone told you this is how they are really like
You must be fed up having to constantly back these managers, and defending the opposite of what your ears and eyes are hearing and seeing with another spurs manager.
Was the same act with Jose even when everyone told you this is how they are really like
What precisely should we do as fans? Turn on the manager when we all know the real problem at our club?
I believe you've got some mix-up in the time frames.
Inter's transfers for the 2 seasons we had Conte (19/20 and 20/21) amount to:
-317 in
+150 out
-167 net spend
(per transfermarkt, rounded)
You must be fed up having to constantly back these managers, and defending the opposite of what your ears and eyes are hearing and seeing with another spurs manager.
Was the same act with Jose even when everyone told you this is how they are really like
Much like you guys did with Ole you mean? This is the life of a football supporter mate.
167 million net spend over two years is a lot? Doesn't seem like a lot to me especially for a big club like Inter.
To be fair we were told Ole would relegate us, he ended up being our most consistent manager in the league in this post Fergie era. He absolutely flopped this season, and was rightly sacked.
You are literally doing the same act you did with Jose pretending black is white and they aren't really like this, where the evidence and previous history is saying they are.
This is not an 'act' and I resent that you think that. I support my team and I support our manager until it's obvious it isn't going to work. Conte has my full support and I won't even come close to judging him till next season because this one is basically a write off. Jose had my full support until close to the end when everything fell apart, same with Poch and same with every other manager we have had in the club in the 40 years I've had watching them.
You in a rival forum, turn on him if you like.
I'm only pointing out he been talking shite about the club now, and some folk getting on like this ain't his normal way of doing things.
His history is beef with boards, and throwing his toys out of the Pram. Seems to be the case again.
Fair enough mate.
It looking like it prob combust end of season if they don't finish 4th and knowing how levy operates
We wont get top 4 with this squad - honestly don't think that anybody in the club feels any different. Like I said - I don't care what happens this season as long as Conte gets properly backed in the summer - then we can start to judge him.
Ole was unproven, not many United fans claimed the would win us the league or CL. Ole got us top 4 in the first season and 2nd in the next, with semi finals and finals too.
There is a difference there.
He made Inter break their all-time transfer record with 80m for Lukaku because that was his ideal of a team-leading top player, actually...
Then yeah, in both transfer windows I think he got less than half of the players he requested and that he deemed necessary to be competitive, he was utterly pissed about that, but in the end he made do and won Inter the league in the second year.
I'm quite sure that if he got, say, 70~80m more worth of players in the first transfer window he would've delivered the Scudetto in his first season already.
He demands a lot, but he knows what he wants and he delivers with that.
But, make no mistake, he do demand a lot and he's totally not ok with the idea of working with what the club has got, or assist in developing players long-term.
It is for a club who don't have the inflated TV money.
Why would we turn on Conte though?
Juventus did not spend 770m in two years. No football club has ever done that. Where do you get those figures from?
Where are you getting your numbers? Conte spent €340m euros and brought in €160m. To me it looks like you're including sales from 21/22 which happened after Conte left.
You don't have to turn on him and hang him by the stake, but Very Underwhelming performance so far, and certainly made some daft comments that talk down the club.
Fair enough if that is what you want to stick it to the Board, but it's 100% going to end in tears in the end.
For Serie A nowadays it's a pretty solid boost to mount a Scudetto challenge.
Also, most of it was in the first summer window, plus Eriksen in the first winter window, plus Hakimi in the early Covid window in may.
In the second proper summer window, Covid-shifted to september, Inter had already closed the purse to manage debt and he was utterly pissed about that
But we all know that this season is a write off - it's all about the summer and next season. Why would anybody turn on him now? Makes no sense to me. I guess some people are just willing it to happen so they can say 'I told you so' or to make them feel better that he didn't go to their own club.
TV money is still somehow decent for top Serie A clubs, I'd say 60~70% of what PL clubs get.
What kills italian teams is matchday, merchandising and sponsorship revenues which are truly peanuts compared to England.
Also Conte himself hit Inter wallet pretty hard failing to get past CL group stages in both his seasons here.
But that's probably why Conte left though? Because he knew that they going to sell players he wanted and signed like Lukaku and Hakimi. If 21-22 is not included then it omits the very big fact that the biggest signings he made was sold against will.
I'm not sure I see your point, the discussion was that Conte spent a lot of money which he evidently did. Conte left before those sales were made, so you can't really add them into a discussion about his net spend at Inter.
Have u seen the state of the squad we have? Yet he has us in a position in the league, it’s not about sticking it to the board it’s about being realistic. Probably will all end in tears, but what the feck is the point of football without some hope.
Also, to add on that: in those two years the +150 from sales all came from Inter directors doing market acrobatics to shed off deadweight ad surplus first team players and to round-up cash shipping off primavera youngsters.
None of that came from renouncing important players.
So in the end that was balanced to a sensible net spend overall, but on actual impact on the pitch it was 317m fresh blood in and nothing substantial out.
Including them is irrelevant in a debate about how much he has to spend to be successful.