He'd get the time if he gets the results that Ole was getting.
Conte | Spurs Manager
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Who likes to work for a boss who looks and probably is always miserable?
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I will never understand him.
Conte knew exactly what he was getting into here. He either gets backed big in the summer or it's done though. This season is a total write off and he knows that - it's all about next season really.
Olé had a decent squad. One that had finished 2nd the year prior to his arrival. One that had won 3 cups with the 2 previous managers.
There is little comparison to be made between the level of the 2 rosters.
Dominated? It was three seasons. We won two of the other three and then three on the bounce.
Spurs squad is abject.
Winks, Docherty, Davies, Sanchez, Dier, Hojberg. That's an awful set of starting players. Also with Lloris who is able to throw three in his net at will, how could he be expected to get them to play well.
Winks, Docherty, Davies, Sanchez, Dier, Hojberg. That's an awful set of starting players. Also with Lloris who is able to throw three in his net at will, how could he be expected to get them to play well.
Dominated is a strong word?
Anyway, on point. Of course players matter, but managers do as well. It’s all about expectation. Given that Spurs squad without investment, achieving top 4 would be a great achievement.
I dont think challenging or competing for the league would be any sane persons realistic expectation. But the very best managers in the business gets an added 10-40% from that same group of players, for the most part.
Fair enough dominated is strong. 2004-06 is mid 2000s as I said. Point is as brilliant as he was it wasn't good enough without players to match and he was beaten by inferior managers.
Well, he was beaten by a team that spent £200m with a phenomenal manager. It's OK for him to take 24momths to get the team up to speed.
No manager how good they might be are getting additional 40% from any group of player over their capability not a chance .
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40% might be a stretch, indeed. I was thinking more around the 2 extreme levels of greatness and shitness. Like SAF winning a title with the same squad most others would struggle keeping in the top 6-8
Bet he wants the Newcastle job.
Not much to read into that. I think he's just saying he is adapting to a new job and that he has to learn to play for the fourth spot.
Wonder how long till Spurs fans have had enough of him constantly diminishing their club
Much longer than Mourinho. Only one manager is toxic here despite him never slated nor disrespect their club. All Mourinho did was slating their players ,the same players they binned now.
I keep saying to spurs fans that conte is just lite version of Mourinho , more toxic , demand and required more players to perform and has no European trophies in his CV .Spurs fans are desperate to prove Mourinho wrong , but you don't do that by hiring a lesser manager.
I still don't understand why they sacked Mourinho though, they were just 4 points off top 4 with plenty of games to play and was in cup final. What's the actual reason to sack him that time ? They didn't even have a manager ready as replacement. At least under Mourinho they got deadly duo in Kane and Son, they were at some point, scoring for fun , topped the league for few weeks. Now they have nothing to brag about and they also played bad football week in week out.
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Conte has definitely improved Spurs, you can see it in the way they play. But the results are not that much different than Nuno.
Nuno was in charge for an extremely difficult 10 match run, that featured 6 matches against teams in the current top 7 of the league. He got 15 points or 1.5 per match.
Conte has been in charge for a relatively easy 12 match run, with only 3 of those matches against teams in the current top 7. He has got 21 points, or 1.75 per match. If they lose at City next weekend, that average will go down to 1.61, which is a 61 point pace over 38 matches.
He's a really good manager but not a miracle worker. I still think they have a good shot at top four but they are miles away from the standard City has set in terms of the league and its really hard to imagine Conte staying longer than a year or two just to compete for the top four trophy.
Nuno was in charge for an extremely difficult 10 match run, that featured 6 matches against teams in the current top 7 of the league. He got 15 points or 1.5 per match.
Conte has been in charge for a relatively easy 12 match run, with only 3 of those matches against teams in the current top 7. He has got 21 points, or 1.75 per match. If they lose at City next weekend, that average will go down to 1.61, which is a 61 point pace over 38 matches.
He's a really good manager but not a miracle worker. I still think they have a good shot at top four but they are miles away from the standard City has set in terms of the league and its really hard to imagine Conte staying longer than a year or two just to compete for the top four trophy.
Even a good chef has his limit make something delicious out of poor ingredients. He can't do miracle.
It's MasterChef, not masturbate!
Pure shite, he’s as bad as what came before him. He was gonna guide Spurs to top 4 and shore up their leaky defence and make them a unit etc etc. all that expectation can’t be forgotten because he has somehow made them worse.
It’s like he is t even trying to manage by blindly sticking to one formation and watching them get out played every week with little goal threat
It’s like he is t even trying to manage by blindly sticking to one formation and watching them get out played every week with little goal threat
That is a top manager and also show difficult it is to manage Spurs. Can’t believe spurs was actually a top four team before and made it to the champions league final. I wonder who was their manager then and if he is still managing. Regardless, Conte has high standards for himself and the team he manages. Unless, he is promised like the same funds we see spent a top club, I can see him walking.
This is a very weird quote. I am sure he would have known what Spurs are before taking the job?
I am sure he would have seen when the last time Spurs competed for the league.
So for him to say this, why would the club be blamed? They spent money on players in the summer and January and will most likely spend more in the summer.
Conte's Spurs
Talking about details
Talking about Conte’s managing style. For me, he isn’t a flexible manager like Zidane or a lot of great mangers. He is a very strict manager in term of formations(3-5-2 or some other plans). His plans have been considered to be one of the best game plans in Europe during recent years but the players in his formations must great enough (especially wing backs, strikers and midfielders) and follow his identical too, which I don’t see that in a lot of Spurs players.
When his teams are in bad situations, he isn’t the one who can change from bad scenarios to great scenarios or great results. The reasons are about his strict attitude, too much trust in 3-5-2 that cause bad results in UCL or some bad results in league games during his former clubs, use too much same 11 starters and the last one he always changes substitutes same minutes and same person every time.Sometimes, he is too much one trick pony.
Base on Conte’s game plan 3-5-2, wingbacks are really important both sides. They are responsible for covering both sides of the field, must very fast and great in counter-attacking systems and must great both attacking phase and have stamina enough to play great defensive phase too.
Another point about Conte’s tactics that important for me is about midfielder, he loves 1 atttacking midfielder that has superb workrates(Eriksen), defensive midfielder(Borozovic) and the most important one “ the unique” Barella type. In Conte’s plan, one specific midfielder must do everything defending, tackling, controlling the tempo, creating and operating game and that’s belong to Barella during Inter’s days.
His back3 defenders especially side cb always love to attack too, you can see a lot of times Bastoni and Skriniar went to attack to support wingbacks and midfielders( not attack much as full back, but a lot even sometimes they went to opponent’s penalty boxes especially Bastoni or sometimes they made some crosses). Howewer, his back3 must be very solid in defending skills and positioning to protect their defensive line.
His ways of using strikers for me are very unique and interesting. He always uses different strategies about strikers depend on which team he manages and I’m sure in Spurs I think he has a plan for that too. In Inter’s days his main method was about bringing best from Lukaku’s strengths and another one like Lautaro is a fighter who always have a great work rate and fighting spirit to take the ball back when lose possession and he could really scored too.
For me, he isn’t a god that can change everything for sure. The most important things about this guy, he needs a time to improve his players, transfers his identical players and the players must be adapt new formations too. 3-5-2 isn’t an easy plan to play, they really need organinizimg especially in midfield and backline. From I’ve seen Spurs wingbacks are pretty mediocre which makes Conte’s plans aren’t effective as it should be. So, I’m sure he is interesting his new fullbacks for sure and their midfielders aren’t that great and identical in his plans too.
I’m sure that if he has enough time( 1-2 years, due to his years of stay in that club) or has enough support from their board( he has a history of fighting with his team boards), he will get some trophies in this club( can’t tell trophies names). His plans can guarantee some success for sure. Chelsea, Juve and Inter have already answered . In European competitions, it’s about flexibility, adaptability and change some tactics( opposite side of Zidane) which he isn’t good. So, I’m not amaze, why he usually underperform in European competitions. Inter 2019/2020 performed poorly in UCL group stage .
Talking about details
Talking about Conte’s managing style. For me, he isn’t a flexible manager like Zidane or a lot of great mangers. He is a very strict manager in term of formations(3-5-2 or some other plans). His plans have been considered to be one of the best game plans in Europe during recent years but the players in his formations must great enough (especially wing backs, strikers and midfielders) and follow his identical too, which I don’t see that in a lot of Spurs players.
When his teams are in bad situations, he isn’t the one who can change from bad scenarios to great scenarios or great results. The reasons are about his strict attitude, too much trust in 3-5-2 that cause bad results in UCL or some bad results in league games during his former clubs, use too much same 11 starters and the last one he always changes substitutes same minutes and same person every time.Sometimes, he is too much one trick pony.
Base on Conte’s game plan 3-5-2, wingbacks are really important both sides. They are responsible for covering both sides of the field, must very fast and great in counter-attacking systems and must great both attacking phase and have stamina enough to play great defensive phase too.
Another point about Conte’s tactics that important for me is about midfielder, he loves 1 atttacking midfielder that has superb workrates(Eriksen), defensive midfielder(Borozovic) and the most important one “ the unique” Barella type. In Conte’s plan, one specific midfielder must do everything defending, tackling, controlling the tempo, creating and operating game and that’s belong to Barella during Inter’s days.
His back3 defenders especially side cb always love to attack too, you can see a lot of times Bastoni and Skriniar went to attack to support wingbacks and midfielders( not attack much as full back, but a lot even sometimes they went to opponent’s penalty boxes especially Bastoni or sometimes they made some crosses). Howewer, his back3 must be very solid in defending skills and positioning to protect their defensive line.
His ways of using strikers for me are very unique and interesting. He always uses different strategies about strikers depend on which team he manages and I’m sure in Spurs I think he has a plan for that too. In Inter’s days his main method was about bringing best from Lukaku’s strengths and another one like Lautaro is a fighter who always have a great work rate and fighting spirit to take the ball back when lose possession and he could really scored too.
For me, he isn’t a god that can change everything for sure. The most important things about this guy, he needs a time to improve his players, transfers his identical players and the players must be adapt new formations too. 3-5-2 isn’t an easy plan to play, they really need organinizimg especially in midfield and backline. From I’ve seen Spurs wingbacks are pretty mediocre which makes Conte’s plans aren’t effective as it should be. So, I’m sure he is interesting his new fullbacks for sure and their midfielders aren’t that great and identical in his plans too.
I’m sure that if he has enough time( 1-2 years, due to his years of stay in that club) or has enough support from their board( he has a history of fighting with his team boards), he will get some trophies in this club( can’t tell trophies names). His plans can guarantee some success for sure. Chelsea, Juve and Inter have already answered . In European competitions, it’s about flexibility, adaptability and change some tactics( opposite side of Zidane) which he isn’t good. So, I’m not amaze, why he usually underperform in European competitions. Inter 2019/2020 performed poorly in UCL group stage .
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Wait a minute...
CAF told that we should sign Conte and ignore the "long term planning" because he guarantees us a title challenge this year.
CAF also told me that he's nothing like Mourinho despite him publicly shitting on the club and players being not good enough.
CAF told that we should sign Conte and ignore the "long term planning" because he guarantees us a title challenge this year.
CAF also told me that he's nothing like Mourinho despite him publicly shitting on the club and players being not good enough.
Your love for Pochettino is something else. Calm down. Even Ryan Mason as caretaker and Villa Boas had better win procentage than Pochettino. Juande Ramos won more trophies for Tottenham than Pochettino.
Of course Conte have problems when he doesn't have players like previous manager had. Like your Pochettino who had squad full of international stars.
Things are going as expected. He wont get full consistency out of spurs before full summer window and pre season with them. He has improved them significantly but it was never ever going to be enough to get back in the UCL.
I didn't because I dislike watching his teams play, but I think he'd have done okay here. Would have vomited upon seeing McFred and demanded 2 new midfielders were brought in and we have okay wingbacks aside from Wan-Bissaka, and Maguire would probably look less terrible in a back 3.
You took the job mate, you knew you weren't going to be competing for anything so why start moaning about it now? I'm getting really tired of these players and managers obsessed with their own brand. If you don't want to look like a cnut, stop taking jobs for the money then spending all your time moaning about how shit everyone else is when you were literally brought in to try and improve a shitty situation.
Don't forget, CAF said Conte would easily get Spurs top four.
Or maybe he's doing that only to pressure the club into growing? You should always take things managers say with a grain of salt.
Ohhh the MELTDOWN on the caf when we didn't get him. Unreal.
I know he has won alot but he was never the manager for us, we need someone who can build a philosophy. The club at the moment with the players we have is rotten, Conte cannot fix that, he only adds to the fuel.
I can see him walking out of the Spurs job mid next season and blaming that he didn't get his signings.
Thanks Conte, for bottling it.
The race for the 4th spot still possible for us.
The race for the 4th spot still possible for us.
We both know that Conte will walk at the end of the season if he isn't guaranteed a massive transfer kitty in the summer. He'll demand this regardless of how it may impact Tottenham, the same way he didn't care if Inter couldn't afford to keep players, he still wanted them to face financial ruin so he could win some trophies. He doesn't give a shit if the club 'grow' or not, he'd happily win a PL and leave them in a burning mess if he could.
Not sure why you put out those meaningless stats as most fan even the delusional one would say that a champion league final, their league best finish and highest point tally, and consecutive season in champion league in much better than the ones you mentioned. That is why those managers you listed are no where to be seen.
Conte has a much better squad than his predecessor. Definitely has much better depth. The starting eleven Conte is a bit more stronger, but Conte has better talent to choose from the bench which with his predecessor, if one of their talent got injured, they had the likes of llorente, Edward's, winks, skipp, and other very average selection to choose from.
Lloris = lloris
Tripper > royal
Verthogen > Sanchez
Alderweireld = Romero
Rose < regullion
Sissoko < hodjberg
Dembele = bentacur
Son = son
Lucas = Lucas
Lamela < begwein
Kane = kane
Prime Danny Rose was better than Reguilon, prime Alderweireld better than Romero, prime Dembele better than Bentancur, prime Lloris better than current Lloris, and prime Kane better than current Kane. And I don't even see Dele or Eriksen on here, both of whom were monsters in their prime.
I'm not going to get into a big back and forth but anybody who thinks that Spurs' talent level hasn't dramatically decreased since 2016-17 is crazy.
I'm not going to get into a big back and forth but anybody who thinks that Spurs' talent level hasn't dramatically decreased since 2016-17 is crazy.
This is just a myth. Inter spent 240 M in the 2 seasons prior to Conte. But it was all bad investments (Vecino, Gagliardini, Dalbert...).
The owners of Inter had the money for the ambitions. And the overall spending during Conte's tenure there was not much bigger than what they've been doing prior to him (and Marotta). Then the Covid hit them hard. And ambitions were reduced. Luckily for them, this time the team he assembled wasn't a bunch of overrated average players. This time they could capitalize on Conte using Lukaku and Hakimi to the best of their abilities and sell both for a profit, which financed the new cycle, allowing them to extend Lautaro and Barella and buy Dumfries.
He can't possibly ruin Tottenham by challenging for a title and recruiting good players. The tv revenues of the PL with CL and the matchday revenue in the post covid era will make sure of that. But to get there they have to do some investments first.
I agree, investment is important on the right players, but remind me why Conte left again?
This summer is key and I fully expect us to back him and bring at least 4 new first team players in. We need more though.