I suppose you missed the two Nate Diaz fights. Nate was never a legitimate contender, as evidenced by the fact that Conor arbitrarily wanted to fight him because he had been likened to the Diaz brothers when he was coming up. Conor just randomly chose a weight and they made it happen - for money purposes of course - water bottle throwing pressers and all.
Conor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather | Again?
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I suppose you missed the two Nate Diaz fights. Nate was never a legitimate contender, as evidenced by the fact that Conor arbitrarily wanted to fight him because he had been likened to the Diaz brothers when he was coming up. Conor just randomly chose a weight and they made it happen - for money purposes of course - water bottle throwing pressers and all.
We don't need the WWE antics. It may stuff Dana and Conor's pockets, but the money doesn't seem to filter down to everyone else.
Very interesting seeing how Conor is talked about in here, also. I was always under the impression that he was liked by many and respected. Always seemed like he was/is the face of the UFC with a massive fanbase. Thought he was the one that the majority cheered for.
Shows how much i'm out of the loop when it comes UFC or Boxing.
Shows how much i'm out of the loop when it comes UFC or Boxing.
He has a HUGE fan base. Just seems like there are a lot of realistic people on the Cafe.
Who did he duck to fight Diaz?
Thinking he hasn't a chance against Mayweather doesn't mean he isn't rated as an MMA fighter. He's popular in that sport because he's charismatic, fights regularly, always turns up in peak condition (unusual in a sport blighted with injuries and drug cheats) and is very good at what he does.
Like all talented elite sportsmen he has his share of begrudgers. Which isn't helped by the abrasive personality he uses to sell fights.
At the time he was still a FW, so whoever was the number one contender there. Its obvious that there is one set of rules for Conor and one for everyone else, based on his PPV draws and profile. Its an obvious double standard no one is prepared to deny. The problem is that we now see other MMA fighters looking for money fights above fighting logical contenders and it incentivizes them to attempt to mimic Conor's fur coat wearing, cash flinging hype tactics, which doesn't exactly jive with the bushido code.
I have a feeling this fight will be a damp squid
I didn't say anything to the contrary. He's obviously a great MMA fighter.
Yeah, that's fair criticism. I'm a fan of the bushido code too fwiw. I do think his talent gets dismissed too easily by people who dislike his personality and the way he's been so effective at getting rich. But he's at least partly to blame for that.
Yeah, i'm not talking about this fight really. Even i know, or think i do, that he's going to lose. So its not that. I'm talking more generally. The disdain that some have for him. Not how they think this fight is going to go.
Is the money not filtering down to everyone Conor's own fault though?
A fan of combat sports or the UFC which you clearly are, not looking forward to one of most talented and entertaining fighters in the world making a return to fight in the Octagon because of some side shows seems a bid odd to me.
McGregor can't punch properly from what I have seen. I'm convinced he is holding something back because after 12 months of intensive training (and his amateur boxing career as a kid) there is no way such a lack of technique should exist. If he learnt the correct technique I think he would be a banger.
Side shows will become the order of the day if White doesn't start paying the fighters more. This is Pandora's box being opened right here.
He's certainly a puncher in the octagon.
The thought has crossed my mind that the vids are intentionally misleading. Christ, imagine if he comes out like Ali and puts on a masterclass.
I'll have to retire from the internet.
Not at all. In the last 3 weeks the two best boxers have been showcased on ESPN and we are 3 weeks away from the most anticipated/can't miss main event PPV in years. There's also a great card September 9th and the start of the excellent cruiserweight and super middleweight tournaments.
Its not Conor's fault - its the fault of the UFC's owners and Dana White. They haven't created a balanced payment scheme where fighters in certain divisions and belt fights get standardized wages, which is what has created the sort of lopsided situations where the fighters get paid based on how much hype they are perceived to bring to PPV numbers, and not so much based on their actual Octagon skills.
He was supposed to fight RDA who got injured 10 days out. Nate Diaz was a last minute replacement.
He's certainly a puncher in the octagon.
The thought has crossed my mind that the vids are intentionally misleading. Christ, imagine if he comes out like Ali and puts on a masterclass.
I'll have to retire from the internet.
He's a puncher but not a boxer. Same technical flaws that Floyd will expose (poor head movement, exposed chin, slapping punches) but they're not a big problem in the UFC because MMA fighters almost never stand in the pocket and exchange at close range. Plus he's got incredible speed, power and accuracy in that left hand. Which even Floyd might get surprised by.
I believe it's at 11pm BST
Yeah but he fought him twice despite the fact that Nate was mid table in the LW. It was a clear cut case of Conor getting to fight whoever he wanted and the other fighter obviously obliging since they would get massive PPV points.
I hope Conor fights the number 1 contender in his own division when he returns to UFC, rather than cherry picking whoever he wants and the UFC capitulating like a house of cards because its Conor.
Edit. Oh and BTW....now both Nick and Nate won't take any fights unless its a big "money fight", so we may well not see much of either Diaz brother going forward.
You've a case on the second fight, although it still doesn't mean McGregor ducked anyone. Plenty of people thought he was a bit nuts to want another go at Diaz. Either way though I'm happy it happened since it was a great fight.
Agree we'd all like to see him fight Fergusion or Khabib next. If he returns to the UFC presumably that's exactly what we'll see him do.
In fairness the Diaz brothers have been very inactive well before Conor and Nate came head to head. Nick came back for Anderson silva. The Diaz bros have always been troublesome
The only time Conor picked his fights was the two Diaz ones, apart from that he has always gone after the main guy
The first one though he saved a Ppv by taking it very short notice. Not many would hAve done that and McGregor should be commended for that
Exactly. And the second was him spoiling for revenge and with enough clout to make the UFC give him that chance. Helped by the fact they'd both make a tonne of cash.
Up until that point he always fought whoever the UFC put in front of him. No questions asked. He's certainly never given any indication he's someone who would duck a tough opponent.
Indeed
And fighting floyd mayweather in his boxing debut would also suggest he likes the big test
Right, that's the he's a ducker argument put to bed for the 100th time.
Sure, he should be commended for taking a replacement fight on short notice. But it's not as if it was done out of some sort of altruism of wanting to preserve the event. He made $15m by proceeding with A fight, even if it wasn't the original RDA one. That's 15m more money in his pocket than if he opted to fight no one.
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He pretty much called out half the UFC following his debut against Marcus brimmage
His self belief is incredible
His self belief is incredible
You've obviously missed the point.
Not really. It's a guaranteed $100m. Nothing to do with the challenge. If it was he'd have fought active fighters that are in their 20's and 30's and would try to take his head off - GGG, Canelo, Crawford (if he wants a size advantage).
Nah, he and many people see mayweather as the pinnacle of the sport. If he is or not anymore remains to be seen
Money sure, but also the history he would make if he somehow was to pull this off ( I don't think he will) is far greater than if he beat the names you mentioned
I agree, but on the surface he's essentially calling out a retired, smaller man in his 40's who's beyond his prime.
Mayweather has been retired for 2 years, is 40 and has never been a murderous puncher. This is all about the money.
If McGregor really wanted to take on the best boxing has to offer he wouldn't have gone after Floyd.
He is taking on the biggest name boxing has to offer and still an incredibly unheard of enourmous task for making a debut in the sport
Again, Floyd has been retired for two years. He's not an active boxer.
I agree it's an enormous task.
Unless Mayweather takes him apart and knocks him out inside the first round without McGregor landing a punch then he won't be humiliated. He's fighting one of the best boxers of all time in his first boxing fight. If he lasts a round or two then it's a win for him, if he somehow lasts all 12 then its a great boxing debut even though he will lose on a decision.
Flip it around and Floyd definitely wouldn't last a round in an MMA fight vs McGregor.
Lasting a couple of rounds isn't a win for him, ffs. He has said over and over and over that he's going to destroy Mayweather. Knock him out. Easily.
Floyd never said he would. That's the difference.
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