I get the impression the Paulie thing was staged for hype purposes. In order to sell this fight to as many people as possible - the UFC, Dana etc have to create the impression that Conor is up to the task, otherwise it would massively cut their PPV numbers.
Conor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather | Again?
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In MMA he usually has a big enough reach advantage over his opponents and his reactions are quick enough to get away with it. Plus there are pros to fighting that way in MMA that don't really translate into boxing.
Which highlights the underlying issue with transferring from one sport to the other really. Things that aren't necessarily poor technique in MMA but rather different are by definition poor technique in a boxing context as they're simply much less effective in that ruleset.
That Mayweather vid gives me goosebumps, he's got the reflexes of a cat, just beautiful to watch.
Wish I had Sky to watch the fight!
Does anyone know what time the weigh ins are? Fingers crossed for Conor - he looked like around 170lbs a few days ago.
The De La Hoya fight was incredible. Oscar comes out with a massive flurry and Floyd absorbs and sneaks in his shots when he can, and wins.
I'm a very casual observer of UFC but I've never been impressed with anybody's hand skills when I've watched it which isn't to sound like a snob but I'm thinking comparatively to a boxer and when I've been made to compare I've brought up average boxers and the Boxing technique is a million miles apart as it should be. From the chin as you noted, to the elbows, to the feet, to the distance, the angles, the technique of punches, the variation etc; etc; etc;
Yes, he can get away with a poor technique there because your not going to get exposed by a skilled boxer in the UFC. Not at all. You can be exposed many ways, but via boxing skills is rare because there's not even an average boxer in UFC. They stand at further distances because of the different striking and possibility of a take down. Very little mid range action which is where I believe elite level boxers can give Mayweather difficulties.
It was a snoozefest IMO. De La Hoya was washed up by then and Floyd really should have stepped it up more IMO. It wasn't the close bout people tried to make out though. I gave Oscar 3 rounds but admittedly haven't bothered to watch it since it happened.
That was a masterclass. I remember going into that fight thinking Canelo had a chance but he made the awful decision of trying to box Mayweather and got schooled.
What I find interesting about this fight is that its a bit of a referendum on whether the boxing skills of some of the best MMA fighters are comparable to those of real boxing champions. Beyond the hype of the two fighters, the money etc. this is really a test of whether combat fighting skills are transferable to other combat sports.
Not much of a fighting fan myself (watch the odd fight now and then) but i’ll probably tune in to this just because of what it is. Anyway, i have a question for someone whose much more knowledgeable on the sport:
If Mayweather loses (unlikely as it is) would it permanently damage his reputation and legacy in the sport, and almost tarnish everything he’s achieved? Is it really that much on the line for him, or is that being a bit dramatic?
If Mayweather loses (unlikely as it is) would it permanently damage his reputation and legacy in the sport, and almost tarnish everything he’s achieved? Is it really that much on the line for him, or is that being a bit dramatic?
I re-watched that fight a weeks ago and I can't understand how anybody gave that fight to Oscar. I scored it 117-111 (9-3) for Mayweather too.
Absolutely. Mayweather is widely regarded as an all time great and losing to a guy who has never had a professional boxing fight before would be embarrassing.
It was a split decision. I thought it was very close.
Honestly, quite frankly it's a farce that it's happening IMO. The NSAC has made themselves look really, really bad. A year ago they said they wouldn't sanction such a contest and a year later with 0 more fights than the 0 he had last year they gave it the green light because of the green they saw. Their excuse for bending is McGregor-Diaz II in which he squeaked by a guy with 0 professional boxing matches also. They also allowed their own rules to be broken regarding the gloves. Total disregard to health and safety (especially to Conor as they are putting an unskilled novice in with a skilled elite level boxer). I guess with the money of this fight some commission was going to take it. I understand it, but it's blatantly wrong.
Fair would have been let Conor at least have a handful of fights and gradually go up in class but I understand why that wasn't done. Had Conor had one pro fight for the world to see it would kill this match because the world would see Conor's lack of skills and it wouldn't even take contender to prove that. A journeyman would have exposed him.
How does Mayweather do against boxers bigger than him? Will Conors bigger reach be an advantage?
Depends on how Mayweather lost, if it was a one punch KO from nowhere then it will be put down McGregor taking his punchers chance. If he outboxes or beats him legit on points then it will be the greatest upset in the history of sport.
Paulie would be the best guy to do that too. He is a real motormouth and self publicist himself. Made himself into one of the best known names in boxing despite not being able to crack an egg.
Paulie would be the best guy to do that too. He is a real motormouth and self publicist himself. Made himself into one of the best known names in boxing despite not being able to crack an egg.
Since his legacy is built more on the "0" and $$ made more than his quality of foes beaten (and when he fought them etc
and wins I'd say yes, in the eyes of the general public and casual fans. As far as everything he's achieved. No way. It will be seen as a bit of a fluke coming off a layoff in his 40's. I wouldn't move up him or down a spot on my all-time rankings (which I consider to be around 30-50 range) regardless of what happens here.
It'll be the greatest upset in the history of sports if he manages to win in any way, in my opinion. Barring Floyd getting DQ'd.
He is an expert at distance, timing and footwork. He is able to offset their rhythm and balance enough and score.
Probably but all it takes is one slack moment from Floyd's and a guy of McGregor's size and power should be able to hit him hard enough to KO him.
8oz gloves too. I think Floyd figures he needs the extra pop in his punches to hurt McGregor and keep him off but it also give McGregor extra pop.
I'd have to see it again. I just remember Oscar being busy and active earlier and fizzling out and Floyd landing some harder shots later on. I don't think Oscar was landing anything clean or hard.
I doubt it. He's taken a flush shot from Mosley, who has serious power and excellent technique and didn't go down.
To be fair, I've only watched it once. I think Floyd landed the better, cleaner shots, while Oscar was busier and more aggressive, while not being as effective.
McGregor is comfortably bigger than Mosley and Floyd is older. I wouldn't be on it but it could happen.
Since his legacy is built more on the "0" and $$ made more than his quality of foes beaten (and when he fought them etc
As far as everything he's achieved. No way. It will be seen as a bit of a fluke coming off a layoff in his 40's. I wouldn't move up him or down a spot on my all-time rankings (which I consider to be around 30-50 range) regardless of what happens here.
Intersting. Just trying to gauge how this fight is perceived in boxing community and those who watch it closely. From the outside looking in it just seems like a bit of a no win situation for him. If he wins, so what? If he loses then it would be a massive upset and i just thought it would be something that would severely damage his reputation. Whereas Conor can't lose. If he wins it will be one the biggest upsets in the sport, and sport in general. If he loses? Who cares, he never had a shot anyway.
Again, very much from outside looking in here, but that's how i perceive it. Just a bizarre fight in many, many way.
McGregor is bigger but he doesn't hit harder than Shane in a boxing ring. You've seen his punches in the sparring vids.
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Oh, well, yeah. I very much get that. I was just looking at it from a purely boxing perspective.
Agree. If things go badly tomorrow McGregor could take serious damage, probably getting punched more times in this one fight than he would over several MMA fights. Plus unlike in MMA he'll be given a count to stand back up and go again until he's put out of his misery.
Yet despite that there seems to be no real pressure on anyone to justify allowing the fight to take place. I mean you'd think they'd at least have to put forward the logic behind their decision.
Floyd's financial decisions in his private life are questionable, to say the least. From his perspective, it's an easy fight and he tops up his bank account by a couple of hundred million.
The whole beating Marciano's record is a coincidental byproduct, which is crap anyway.
A lot of boxing fans can't wait until Sunday when it's over the the sport can move onto real contests (September 9th fight and GGG-Canelo on September 16th). We understand why it's happening ($$$) and want Floyd to win (as much as he's hated) just so that Conor can get away from the sport and we have no more shitshows like this. I personally won't bother watching the fight (there's HBO boxing at the same time which I'm considering attending) but will have some fun with UFC fans on my facebook that are adamant McGregor will win and prove what's the better sport.
Well the Conor shitshow will be returning to UFC so we're not all looking forward to that either, unless of course he fights someone like a number one contender in his division and not another weird money fight.
Yeah, the UFC has been brilliant since Conor last fought. Pity he has to come back and ruin it all.
Depending on how he gets on tomorrow night, I could see him staying in boxing for at least one more fight. They've put a lot of effort into the Paulie stuff.
Paulie is retired, washed up, feather fisted and got stomped by Eggington in his last fight, so who knows, it might be competitive.
Paulie is retired, washed up, feather fisted and got stomped by Eggington in his last fight, so who knows, it might be competitive.
Comparing his UFC record with this fight is ridiculous. He's never ducked a fight and fought all the legitimate contenders. Plus his skill at that particular sport is un-questioned.
Yh I was wondering about this - has UFC kind of moved on now? My mate was saying it's been great since he left.
Are the boxing fans that deem this a farce/circus unable to just focus on what's going on in the Boxing world these days or what? Surely it can't be that hard to do so.