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Conor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather | Again?
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Connor is clearly going to be better than Floyd in a clinch but it's not really his strength. His strength is counter punching but for me his footwork should be better than Floyds at getting him in out and creating angles.
I just can't wait to see what happens. I think Floyd wins but I'm not sure it'll be as easy as people predict. I hope we get a show. Best thing for this fight is that Connor does connect and puts Floyd down early so that Floyd has to react.
Dana won't be around the UFC 12 months from now IMO. I think this is his cashout and he'll be pushed out. I think he's planning to come into Boxing which IMO I don't think he could do successfully. He obviously got powerful, bullied and manipulated people in the MMA world but your dealing with less markets there and less promoters and less money (at the time he monopolized everything). None of the fighters like him I've heard. He also rips all the fighters off. I can't imagine him being easy to deal with in a sport where most if not all will view him with utter contempt. Boxers will either be smart enough to stay away from him or their advisers will. His only shot IMO is if he is backed by a huge investor, but Al Haymon had that and tried to monopolize boxers and has already blown something like a $1bn budget in less than 3 years.
I'd disagree on both fronts. Floyd is a defensive clincher he uses it to smother, frustrate and kill time. He's not aggressively using a clinch the way Ricky Hatton would or Andre Ward does. Both are illegal but seems refs especially Mayweather refs allow his style of clinching.
Floyd has excellent footwork and is used to using it exactly for boxing. Distance, angles and for landing and avoiding punches expertly. I think Conor's feet will look terrible in there with Floyd.
There's a video you YouTube where his own mother doesn't exactly speak glowingly of Dana. I agree that nobody likes him and he will eventually get pushed out at some point.
Guy who trains thai boxing where the clinch is essential against a normal boxer. I think I'd give that to Connor all day. It's also why he had Cortez in refereeing the sparring to see what he could and couldn't do.
I personally don't think Connor will be in boxing range and will try and strike from the outside using something more like point Karate or taekwando. Boxing by nature is quite a static sport so yeah in a boxing realm Floyds footwork is good but this isn't your normal everyday boxing match.
It's what makes it intresting to me, if Connor goes in with delusions of he can out box Floyd it's going to be a short night. Goes in there and uses his skill set legally and it becomes a different story.
It absolutely is.
I've seen Conor throw punches and sparring and he's poor, very poor. Looks like a green amateur. He's OK at defending from a take down and striking somebody with limited hand skills from the outside but put him in with a skilled boxer and he's eaten alive. Even if he fluke lands a shot in an exchange he won't get any consistency or repetition because he's in with a world class boxer.
There's a few guys around 140-160 I'd pick to beat Floyd in a boxing match right now after all he's 40, been declining for a few years and inactive but I'd be suspicious at the events integrity if it's not a complete whitewash.
I'm more confident in Tank getting the KO than Floyd.
Hold on, hold on. Nate Diaz spars with Andre Ward who says he could easily handle it boxing. Connor out boxed Nate quite easily in both fights.
Fair enough the sparring footage with Paulie is quite inconclusive as we haven't seen the whole video but Paulie looked pretty marked up from their sparring sessions and he's a former world champion.
Isn't Eddie Alvarez also a former golden gloves champion and he was made to look like a bum.
Are you a die hard boxing fan? As I can totally see from your point of view Connors shots look sloppy and stuff as boxing is traditional and everyone follows a pattern. Connor isn't and just because his strikes don't look like traditional boxing strikes and he is able to throw from positions where his feet aren't set to a boxer that all looks sloppy.
However that non traditional boxing style is what makes it intresting for me and like I said in one of my earlier posts I expect Connor to go in with a more taekwando point Karate style of in and out.
Nate just has a lot of self confidence. He should say that and Ward is probably just being nice. Doesn't mean it's true. Check out the sparring with Chris Van Heerden where Conor looks atrocious. Van Heerden ranks nowhere (probably between 40-50 at 147) and was obliterated when he fought a world class fighter in Errol Spence. Malignaggi is horribly faded as a fighter (hence the string of bad KO losses) and is retired and out of shape. Really wouldn't read anything into that. His face always gets bashed up too.
Didn't know that, interesting. Disagree that Conor out boxed Nate in both fights, maybe the 2nd but I think he just out performed him in general.
I would prefer Nate's chances against Floyd tbh.
Saw this quote - In an interview promoting the book, she called her son "egotistical, self-centered, arrogant, and cruel"
He also called Bob Arum "The dumbest promoter in the history of the World". The same Bob Arum, who's been in the game 50 years promoting the most title fights ever etc;
The reason boxing and MMA styles are so different is for a reason. Boxers don't need to worry about strikes from feet or being grabbed hold of and thrown to the ground. And their style has been refined over hundreds of years to the most effective way to operate without those concerns. Being awkward for the sake of being awkward won't give McGregor any kind of advantage.
A video of 1 round. Which is clearly a walkthrough.
Aerial has posted up an interview with Floyd that was recorded at 4am from Floyd's strip club. 2 days out from the fight. And he claims he's been there every night.
There seems to be an element of Floyd not taking this as seriously as he should. Whether it will matter in the end, but it will certainly be something that will be brought up if we see a miracle upset.
There seems to be an element of Floyd not taking this as seriously as he should. Whether it will matter in the end, but it will certainly be something that will be brought up if we see a miracle upset.
Nailed it.
Two different vids with Andre Ward talking about sparring them both and how good their boxing is.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the other thing
Yeah well Nate would be around 190lbs or closer to 200 on the night of the fight and is even rangier than Connor so I would hope so too.
At first I didn't really see a need to respond to this as well yeah that is fairly obvious. But then MMA takes the best of each discipline and found ways to use them in a more fluid system.
Also Connor isn't awkward for the sake of being awkward. Floyd unearthly reflects and speed is a bit of a lie. It's his ability to read what is coming before it's even thrown that make him so allusive and dangerous.
What most people who can look beyond stereotypes are talking about is that hopefully the patterns aren't going to be the same to make it an intresting fight.
I think Floyd wins, but I don't suspect it to be the cake walk some make it out to be.
Which is why Floyd would get destroyed in an MMA fight. But this is a boxing match. So all those adjustments needed to be an effective MMA striker just make McGregor a less efficient/effective boxer.
Everyone follows the same pattern in boxing by its very nature it's really quite predictable. It's time someone tried something different and this is what people want to see.
There are many reasons people want to see this fight. Some people just either are stuck in their box and can't see beyond it. Hopefully this fight actually evolves boxing and pushes it on as it's become quite stale. I mean people go on about the Lomachenko side step when it's just that, he takes a side step. People now try to train to add that to their game. Something like that will be natural to Connor.
That's not really true though. There's a tonne of different styles within boxing. All perfected within the context of that particular discipline.
Implying that Conor will bring something that nobody in boxing has ever thought of before would be like hiring a basketball coach to train your soccer team. In case he comes up with something innovative.
The thing he brings that no one in boxing seems to do is his movement and his striking distance. That is what makes it intresting and why I said to the other guy it's not a normal boxing fight, because it's not.
You've got a guy who isn't intimidated by Floyds reputation, doesn't care about his record and isn't limited to the traditional movements of boxing, thinks differently than a traditional boxer. I keep repeating myself but that for me is what makes it intresting. What happens when the sameness old patterns aren't followed.
People might be less or more aggressive, pressure, fight on the back foot, brawl so on but the patterns are all the same.
"Isn't limited to the traditional movements of boxing" is certainly a more positive take than "isn't versed in the more effective movements of boxing" but the latter is more likely to hold true.
The difference in styles might make the fight more interesting but that doesn't mean it makes it more competetive. Quite the reverse actually.
It's really amusing seeing the MMA/McGregor lot falling for everything McGregor says. They truly believe he's going to knockout Mayweather because 'Mystic Mac' says so. Talk of 'unorthodox angles', 'Mayweather struggles v southpaws' and 'karate stances' is just plain ridiculous.
Mayweather will suss out McGregor inside three rounds and it won't be pretty for McGregor thereafter.
Mayweather will suss out McGregor inside three rounds and it won't be pretty for McGregor thereafter.
Tbf even among MMA fans the people who think McGregor has any substantial chance are very much in the minority. The McGregor bots are their own breed.
True enough. I should have distinguished between both in my post.
For the Irish in here - I noticed Paddy Holahan's accent seems like a slightly exagerated version of Conor's. Whereabouts in Ireland are these accents the most common ?
Dublin.
Although not all of Dublin. If you met @Zebs you'd probably be amazed he's from the same city.
(No offence, you're the only Dublin caftard I know of who's from Dalkey!)
McGregor is from Crumlin and Holohan is from Jobstown, near Tallaght. Both would be working class areas in the southside of Dublin City.
Funnily enough, if you travel ~15 minutes east from those suburbs, you'd find yourself in Ireland's richest districts and an accent more in line with Orange County, Ca. than the traditional working-class accent associated with Dublin.
Did you read the ESPN article which made Crumlin sound like Beirut?
@Raoul
this might help:
Plenty of accents left out of that though, including the best one IMO, Leitrim:
this might help:
Plenty of accents left out of that though, including the best one IMO, Leitrim:
Man that was crazy. Americans in the comment section were lapping it up while a few Irish were trying to explain what a load of shite it was.
I saw a video preview on YouTube (I can't remember the source/site) and they had the same sentiments: the idea that McGregor was lucky to escape his teenage years with his life and the Crumlin-Drimnagh feud killed hundreds of young men.
That video of the father going apeshit at the son over 'failing' the driving test is probably my favourite video ever on the internet.
Pure brilliance.
Pure brilliance.
This.