Conor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather | Again?

Watched Mayweather on jimmy kimmell show, he told jimmy to bet on him, and if he loses Mayweather will give him that amount back. They even shook on it.
 
A big thing for me is that we don't know how great he is when he's truly tested. Part of the reason we never found that out is because he's been dominant (not his fault) and also because he's been very picky about who he fights and when. There's a ton of opponents he either fought when it was longer the contest it would have been (Pacquaio still made money and was mainstream but was no longer a great Boxing match) and that was most defiantly his fault/choice.

The few times he was really tested gave me mixed results - Jose Luis Castillo I I felt he lost that fight (as do many), Maidana (who lets face it shouldn't be pushing him that close) being examples that I'd be hesitant picking him to come through when the going gets tough against skilled fellow greats. His hesitance to truly test himself vs. prime opponents and/or need for every possible advantage leads me to believe he doesn't have total confidence in himself. That's part of the reason I can't rank him in that top 20-30 all-time but I understand that's my policy and others are different. Still stands that next to no historians would rank him top 10-20.

From a technical standpoint I simply don't think he has the offense to really discourage warriors like Duran, Chavez, Hearns, Leonard. Whitaker is even better defensively than him and a southpaw (Floyd has always had a fear of southpaws dating back to his reluctance to face Casmayor and Stevie Johnston).
The greatest challenge he could have had in his career (short of moving up to 160 and fighting GGG) would have been to fight the Pacquiao that was steamrolling just about anyone in his sight. But even then, Floyd would have been favoured in that fight.

Everyone always points to the first Castillo fight in particular and the first Maidana fight, as they were the two guys to actually win more than three rounds against Floyd. But never once did I believe that Floyd wasn't in complete control of those fights.

It is hard to judge because he's never been in a truly competitive fight, but my eyes tell me that it's more to do with Floyd being so skilled rather than his opponents not being of high enough quality. Looking at Floyd's resume, the four fights that were meant to be the toughest challenges of his career are Corrales and his fights at JMW. He destroyed Corrales, dominated Canelo. Oscar and Cotto had some good moments but ultimately, Floyd was comfortably ahead in both fights and pushed for the stoppage in both fight.

My eyes tell me that a boxer puncher like Leonard would be outboxed and Whitaker would not be able to overcome Floyd's overall skillset. Duran and Hearns would make for intriguing match-ups but again, I find it extremely hard to bet against Floyd.
 
Also, been catching up on All Access. Basically Floyd trying to show that he's not training but we all know he's a gym-rat, he'd never take any opponent lightly.
 
The greatest challenge he could have had in his career (short of moving up to 160 and fighting GGG) would have been to fight the Pacquiao that was steamrolling just about anyone in his sight. But even then, Floyd would have been favoured in that fight.

Everyone always points to the first Castillo fight in particular and the first Maidana fight, as they were the two guys to actually win more than three rounds against Floyd. But never once did I believe that Floyd wasn't in complete control of those fights.

It is hard to judge because he's never been in a truly competitive fight, but my eyes tell me that it's more to do with Floyd being so skilled rather than his opponents not being of high enough quality. Looking at Floyd's resume, the four fights that were meant to be the toughest challenges of his career are Corrales and his fights at JMW. He destroyed Corrales, dominated Canelo. Oscar and Cotto had some good moments but ultimately, Floyd was comfortably ahead in both fights and pushed for the stoppage in both fight.

My eyes tell me that a boxer puncher like Leonard would be outboxed and Whitaker would not be able to overcome Floyd's overall skillset. Duran and Hearns would make for intriguing match-ups but again, I find it extremely hard to bet against Floyd.
Leonard was faster on his feet and in addition to being a master boxer was great defensively and offensively. Just take a lot at Leonard in his prime. Look at the skill in the Benitez and Hearns fights. Two guys in their primes. Floyd was never tested on that level or near that level. Duran also a master boxer and brawler with amazing (underrated defense). Leonard was better at just about everything apart from defense (he was mostly an aggressive fighter) and by a distance. I also think Benitez of his prime years would perhaps beat Floyd. Hard to tell since Floyd never fought against a defensive specialist.

Floyd would barely land on Whitaker. Floyd isn't comfortable with aggressive southpaws imagine a master avoider/defender like Sweat Pea. It would be literally scoring punches though. Both guys would land between 5-6 a round with the bigger ones going to Whitaker with the straight left when Floyd pulls back from time to time.

I think Hearns would simply blast him out very quickly that's the worst style Floyd could face. Amazing speed, skill, power and that range. Nightmare.

Duran I think would outbox and outbrawl him and basically just work him from too many directions and angles and simply bring out a fight Floyd wouldn't be comfortable in.

All subjective of course I just can't say Floyd beating any of them. That's not a knock I can't say many outside of them beating those guys.
 
You guys weren't kidding. Lomachenko is phenomenal :eek:

Check out Rigondeaux as well, not as well rounded as Lomachenko but the way he moves is beautiful.



He generally makes for boring fights to the neutral though and is probably declining physically now too. There is a lot of talk of him and Lomachenko fighting, if it happens is another matter.
 
I like him when he speaks like that, not the trash talk fake persona which we see all too often. Strip on that away, and you've got a fighting animal. Still, he'll do well to win a round.

Same here. And it just goes to show that all the trash talk is 100% fake to get PPV buys.
 
Is Floyd actually bigger than Canelo? Height and reach-wise, maybe slightly, but Alvarez is a pretty heavy guy. He fights at, what, 171-2 (probably even more in the last few years)? Hard to believe Conor would be able to go any higher than that.
 
Terence Crawford and Vasyl Lomachenko. Lomachenko is a once in generation athletic/technical talent. Both these guys are entertainers too who fight aggressively so much more pleasing on the eye.

I've watched a bit of Lomachenko. He doesn't seem to possess any real power, however, he has angles on punches for days! What's his next significant fight?
 
38 pages about a non event, a freak show... a fight that's not real, a circus.... ''I ain't gonna watch that shit''

ffs :lol:

:lol: Good point!


I'd love this to be legit and McGregor knock him the feck out. But it's not and he won't. I'll probably watch it like everyone else though, but I certainly won't be paying for it!
 
I've watched a bit of Lomachenko. He doesn't seem to possess any real power, however, he has angles on punches for days! What's his next significant fight?
He isn't a one punch kind of guy (Rocky Martinez may disagree) but he does possess some pop. I'd say he's more of a stinging puncher than a knockout puncher.

He should be fighting Rigondeaux next. I think he will stop him inside 8 rounds or less.
 
He isn't a one punch kind of guy (Rocky Martinez may disagree) but he does possess some pop. I'd say he's more of a stinging puncher than a knockout puncher.

He should be fighting Rigondeaux next. I think he will stop him inside 8 rounds or less.

Rigondeaux is too old and too small to hurt Lomachenko. The fight is at 130lbs, which almost makes it a non-contest.
 
Rigondeaux is too old and too small to hurt Lomachenko. The fight is at 130lbs, which almost makes it a non-contest.

Tend to agree. He'll have to move up 2 divisions to get a slice of high-tech. Still, bar Loma moving up there's nothing left for him at super feather. I'm not interested in a Salido rematch.
 
Take it to the boxing thread lads.

This is the non-sporting event thread.
 


I will be curious to see what McGregor's gameplan is, even if there's very little chance of it being effective. The fact that they're doubling down on McGregor's MMA skillset rather than stupidly trying to get him fighting like a boxer in the space of a few weeks might make the fight interesting from a tactical perspective if nothing else.
 
Is it just me or has the hype not been anywhere near as much as it should be considering we're in the final week? Maybe I've just not noticed it, but there doesn't seem to be many people bigging it up now
 
Is it just me or has the hype not been anywhere near as much as it should be considering we're in the final week? Maybe I've just not noticed it, but there doesn't seem to be many people bigging it up now

Yeah, I know what you mean. That could be due to the nature of the event though. A large amount of the audience will be watching out of curiosity rather than real hyped interested.
 
I was imagining the other day just what kind of ramifications it would have if McGregor knocked him senseless in the first 4 rounds and won. Would boxing pretty much die on it's arse? Millions of kids training to be boxers would take up MMA and aspire to be in the UFC. Everyone would look at boxers/MMA fighters completely differently, be a load of boxers calling out UFC names.

Such a weird risk for Mayweather to go for that he has to be very confident it's a walk in the park.
 
Is it just me or has the hype not been anywhere near as much as it should be considering we're in the final week? Maybe I've just not noticed it, but there doesn't seem to be many people bigging it up now
Is there a final press conference this week? It should go viral and then the hype will peak.
 
Is it just me or has the hype not been anywhere near as much as it should be considering we're in the final week? Maybe I've just not noticed it, but there doesn't seem to be many people bigging it up now

I think it was over exposed with the press tours and stuff. The hype and build up kind of peaked to soon. We heard everything we needed to at least 3 or 4 times in them and then for weeks after with the Paulie stuff etc. They kind of timed it all wrong I thought there was loads of hype a month or 2 ago...a ridiculous amount really (4 tours in 4 days!) now I don't think anyone needs any more.

I was imagining the other day just what kind of ramifications it would have if McGregor knocked him senseless in the first 4 rounds and won. Would boxing pretty much die on it's arse? Millions of kids training to be boxers would take up MMA and aspire to be in the UFC. Everyone would look at boxers/MMA fighters completely differently, be a load of boxers calling out UFC names.

Such a weird risk for Mayweather to go for that he has to be very confident it's a walk in the park.

I dunno, I see your point but at the same time if he were to win I'd imagine they market him as some kind of elite level boxer to be honest. They've given excuses and insurances already that Mayweather is older etc. If McGregor was to win I imagine if he was to carry on boxing he'd either get a title shot against someone or fight another big name. I don't think he'll win though.
 
I think it was over exposed with the press tours and stuff. The hype and build up kind of peaked to soon. We heard everything we needed to at least 3 or 4 times in them and then for weeks after with the Paulie stuff etc. They kind of timed it all wrong I thought there was loads of hype a month or 2 ago...a ridiculous amount really (4 tours in 4 days!) now I don't think anyone needs any more.



I dunno, I see your point but at the same time if he were to win I'd imagine they market him as some kind of elite level boxer to be honest. They've given excuses and insurances already that Mayweather is older etc. If McGregor was to win I imagine if he was to carry on boxing he'd either get a title shot against someone or fight another big name. I don't think he'll win though.

Me neither. I think either way this goes., McGregor retirement seems a very likely outcome. I don't think he would fight again Boxing or MMA.

I just think the boxing world would struggle if McGregor won, so many boxing experts would be left with egg on their face. Fans like myself included.
 
There will be no losers in this. Floyd could make something like $200-300m and Conor could easily get $100m .

To put that into perspective, Conor makes about $17m per UFC fight (including PPV points), so to make the $100m he will earn through fighting Floyd, he would need to fight twice in the UFC each year for 3 years. This is why imo, he isn't likely to fight much more in the UFC after this. Maybe two or three big money fights and then close up shop and go into other business investments.