Confirmed: Moyes sacked.

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G Nev seems to have done the impossible. Made rival fans like him, and make our fans turn on him,

And Carragher seems to have done the opposite! That rant yesterday should have come from Neville! He had passion for our cause, was amazing. Whereas a goon like Robbie Fowler was giving it the "yeah they'll want to get back to where they THINK they belong!"
 
redhoop said:
Carragher is loving this - everything he says about Utd is coloured by his love for his own club. I don't find him a convincing pundit - I find him a glaringingly obvious, go with the herd type of commentator. I think we have shown signs of improvement - not enough, surely, but definitely better than we were. And while I have no real issue with the club deciding to acquire a new manager, this press-briefing way of going about it is hardly laudable.
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Hmm I don't think Neville gives an objective view on the club to be honest. I think it's down to the fact his brother is one of the people who may be about to lose his job, is going to hamper what he truly believes and says.

I agree the way the club has handled this is poor but I'm not sure what else they could have done, I don't know a lot about the stock exchange but a lot of people on here suggesting we can't sack Moyes till the stock exchange closes. So I'm not sure what option that leaves the club with.
 
Sandikan said:
G Nev seems to have done the impossible. Made rival fans like him, and make our fans turn on him,

And Carragher seems to have done the opposite! That rant yesterday should have come from Neville! He had passion for our cause, was amazing. Whereas a goon like Robbie Fowler was giving it the "yeah they'll want to get back to where they THINK they belong!"
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He has almost been the biggest LFC fan boi on tv this year, which is amazing considering all the scouse pundits on tv
 
So long as Phil is in our coaching staff, Gary's going to come across as a sanctimonious nob while Carragher trumps him with talking a lot more sense.
 
Will Absolute said:
What principles? That a football club that makes a mistaken managerial appointment is morally obliged to allow him to destroy it?

Neville has shown himself to be a fool. Or else he values his brother's job more highly than the future of the club he represented for twenty years.
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do you have a brain in your head? do you really think he would ever say moyes should be sacked when his brothers job is on the line? Like do you really honestly think it would be a clever thing for him to do to say that?
 
Crashoutcassius said:
do you have a brain in your head? do you really think he would ever say moyes should be sacked when his brothers job is on the line? Like do you really honestly think it would be a clever thing for him to do to say that?
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He's certainly in a ridiculous position.
 
Gary Neville is not being a knobhead. He just has an idealistic view of the club that doesn't work in reality. He will realize sooner or later that what he perceives the club to be and what it actually is are different things.

At the end of the day, we are a massive club with worldwide fanbase, expectation of success, a corporate culture, a group of foreign owners, and are motivated by profit and the rules of the market. We are not some idealistic entity that exists in a void nor are we a small local club that bases its decision on tradition and history.
 
Kaos said:
So long as Phil is in our coaching staff, Gary's going to come across as a sanctimonious nob while Carragher trumps him with talking a lot more sense.
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I don't think Gary wants to cut ties with the club. When the England managers revolving door eventually sweeps Hodgson out, there's no guarantee Gary won't be swept along too especially if a foreign manager is brought in with his own backroom circus.

Although he turned down Fergie's off at a coaching job here, I am sure it's in the back of his mind not to remove all possibility of a future offer.
 
Cheesy said:
Because they've been spot on. His comments after the game yesterday regarding us were correct.
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I agree his comments yesterday were spot on.

That doesn't make him a better pundit than Neville, or mean he's 'schooled him the entire year'. That's complete nonsense.

Neville has his principles and there's nothing wrong with that, he's entitled to his views and you can be sure he cares about the club more than any fan on here. Not liking his opinion doesn't make him a poor pundit.
 
Ramshock said:
Yeah Rio would be my suspect for the leaker
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Am I the only one who thinks he's dumb enough to not realise what he's doing.

You see, Rio, posting a clip called "rumours" when your manager is "rumoured" to be leaving doesn't look very professional does it.

Oh, sh!T, no I hadn't even thought of that, sorry bruv
 
Cheesy said:
What annoys me about what Neville says is the part where he says we need to be different. Why? What makes us any better, or different, when it comes to the other most successful clubs in the world when appointing managers? They're still at the top, and we've dropped to 7th. He's probably annoyed that his brother may lose his job, but a select few need to get off their high-horse with this whole thing.
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Agree. It comes across as such an arrogant outlook on things. Manchester United are first and foremost a football club, just like anyone other club, the way they operate when it comes to major board decisions isn't going to differ much than any other club. It's such a self-entitled opinion.
 
RustyS said:
Gary Neville is not being a knobhead. He just has an idealistic view of the club that doesn't work in reality. He will realize sooner or later that what he perceives the club to be and what it actually is are different things.

At the end of the day, we are a massive club with worldwide fanbase, expectation of success, a corporate culture, a group of foreign owners, and are motivated by profit and the rules of the market. We are not some idealistic entity that exists in a void nor are we a small local club that bases its decision on tradition and history.
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He is a part of the rebel alliance and a traitor...take him away
 
Theon said:
I agree his comments yesterday were spot on.

That doesn't make him a better pundit than Neville, or mean he's 'schooled him the entire year'. That's complete nonsense.

Neville has his principles and there's nothing wrong with that, he's entitled to his views and you can be sure he cares about the club more than any fan on here. Not liking his opinion doesn't make him a poor pundit.
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Of course not, I'd agree Neville is better overall, but in this case Neville's principles have been proven to be a bit daft and too idealised. The guy is entitled to his opinion, but Carragher's spot on in this one while Neville isn't.
 
It's understandable that Gary can't be 100% honest (or neutral) when it comes to United. Not going to judge him on his comments about United.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Neville dug his own grave early in the season and is too stubborn to change his viewpoint.

He's always been like that. Plus I don't think he wants to be seen as one who calls for the manager's head.

Scholes was the same when he was a pundit. He pretty much tore Moyes' tactics to shreds and then said that he needed time. Gary has been criticizing United's play a lot in commentary.

I'd read between the lines on this one.
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In a way that might be why Gary won't make a good manager. He would never admit when he is wrong.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
do you have a brain in your head? do you really think he would ever say moyes should be sacked when his brothers job is on the line? Like do you really honestly think it would be a clever thing for him to do to say that?
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His brother is rich, and can get another job. He won't go on the breadline.

I don't expect Neville to call for Moyes sacking. I do expect him to stop actively supporting a cancer within Manchester United.
 
Gary Neville is being an idiot here. He can be a great pundit, but he really needs to take off his red tinted glasses when it comes to United. Until he does, he won't be half the pundit he should be.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
do you have a brain in your head? do you really think he would ever say moyes should be sacked when his brothers job is on the line? Like do you really honestly think it would be a clever thing for him to do to say that?
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In professional line, he should do for the best regardless of family ties. Don't you think so?
 
Glanville95 said:
Agree. It comes across as such an arrogant outlook on things. Manchester United are first and foremost a football club, just like anyone other club, the way they operate when it comes to major board decisions isn't going to differ much than any other club. It's such a self-entitled opinion.
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Yeah, the principle of giving a manager time is loyal to a point before it becomes idiotic. The whole appointment of Moyes was covered in romanticism and turned out to be incorrect. In the same respect, keeping him is full of that same romanticism and wouldn't end well.
 
Will Absolute said:
His brother is rich, and can get another job. He won't go on the breadline.

I don't expect Neville to call for Moyes sacking. I do expect him to stop actively supporting a cancer within Manchester United.
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I think we can still feel for someone - even if they are rich. They both care about the club - so I can empathise, despite the wealth. And a 'cancer' - I'm partial to a bit of exaggeration myself, but that is a bit much.
 
Disagree with Neville there. And I think he too might be singing a different tune in private. He gets associated with the club so much and since there has been no club release on this, he has to stick to what the club and he have been saying in public : the manager is given time. I think after the appointment of the new manager, he would be a lot more harsh on Moyes. To think of it, he doesn't really defend Moyes much; he just sticks to the "give manager time" line.
 
Will Absolute said:
His brother is rich, and can get another job. He won't go on the breadline.

I don't expect Neville to call for Moyes sacking. I do expect him to stop actively supporting a cancer within Manchester United.
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Nice.

We've stopped to such levels that we're actively comparing an incompetent employee with cancer.
 
I'll be quite happy if he goes, he's clearly failed in pretty much every way. Not only that; the improvement of Everton under Martinez is evidence enough that he's an average manager.
 
Gary's brother is effectively out of a job if this is true. I can sympathise with him saying this publicly.
 
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