well no, their wage bill is 5th and they’ve finished 5th twice in their 3 full seasons.
So if we’re run like Nice, we’ll likely end up where our wage bill puts us.
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well no, their wage bill is 5th and they’ve finished 5th twice in their 3 full seasons.
So if we’re run like Nice, we’ll likely end up where our wage bill puts us.
Where is Zilliacus when you need him?
Given Ligue 1 isn't comparable to the Premier League, by your comparison if we're run like Nice we would end up fighting for relegation given we would have a much lower wage bill than our direct competitors. Your comparison is also a bit strange because if we take it as it is and say we are run like PSG then we would win the League more often than not here!
Nice are currently 7th as well so not much improvement there.
Decent position 959 pages in.
They either sell it totally, sell it partially, or don't sell it.
There literally aren't any other options!
Good post
PSG have been run by the people heading the football department and with the arrival of Antero Henrique things started going off track. But like you say, the PSG from 2012-2016, is how you want a club to operate on the football side of the club. I also think if QSI were involved in the EPL they'd adapt to the challenge posed by City in the league. That challenge doesn't exist on the same level in Ligue 1 and PSG's focus has mainly been the champions league which is a cup competition.
I do wonder what the actual probability of the Glazers staying actually is. I think they know that now is the absolute best time to sell and they likely won't get a better offer in the future, but it's whether their ego's can deal with that.
Personally I think that United will be sold and likely to Qatar, but I suppose we'll see in the next few weeks. Would the other Glazer siblings accept being bought out for a lower stake than they'd get for a full sale? Or would they basically force Avrams hand and force him to sell? If they even could that is?
Personally I think that United will be sold and likely to Qatar, but I suppose we'll see in the next few weeks. Would the other Glazer siblings accept being bought out for a lower stake than they'd get for a full sale? Or would they basically force Avrams hand and force him to sell? If they even could that is?
Aliens could snatch the club and go back to Cepheus.
Apart from you, who says United would be operated in the same way?
That wasn't the point, though, was it?
Why don't you, for the sake of balance, tell us how United will be run by looking at how INEOS have run Nice and Lausanne.
Agree I think they sort of took Ligue 1 for granted knowing they'd probably walk it most years. What they should have done was buy the best players from their domestic competition just like how Bayern has done. They really haven't done enough of that.
You've obviously missed the part where I gave United league positions. We can make an educated guess about how PSG would fair because we have seen how clubs that just throw money without direction or planning fair in the PL.
PSG wouldn't have the luxury they have in France. Where they can half arse a title every season. The title in England almost always goes to the best run club that season, regardless of whether they are the biggest spenders or not. Chelsea are just about the only exception to this rule.
I think as @JPRouve has shown that saying PSG didn't have any direction or planning is completely unfair and that's before we even come down on the fact that they would approach United in the same way.
I do agree that the comparison between Ligue 1 and PL does not have much stock in it but I am not the one trying to make the point about "United league positions" or whatever you meant based on what Qatar or INEOS do in Ligue 1.
What you do show is even if Qatar took over us and pumped billions into the club and didn't have a correct strategy, we won't win. That's true and that's why people shouldn't just assume United would walk the league at all like some think.
I don’t think you understand.
Nice have the 5th highest wage bill and finished 5th last season.
So Nice owners clearly perform to their relative wage. So at United, who currently have the highest wage bill…..
PSG on the other hand, they outspend their closest rivals by a quite staggering amount. So yeah, if they join United and spend 7 times more on wages then City, we would likely win the league more often not.
I do understand, you're trying to make a direct comparison between the leagues and I just disagree on it. You're assumption is if INEO comes in and they and have us become the highest wage bill in the PL they will have us finish first based one the performance of Nice last year. I don't think that makes much sense but fair cop if you believe it.
No, I think the stats tell us we’d finish relative to our wage spend.
Nice spend 5th, finish 5th.
PSG far outspend 2nd to finish 1st, by at least 7 fold, but according to the Athletic, by 12 fold. There’s no question if our owners outspend our rivals by those amounts we’ll win the league.
Would be interesting though to see how those owners can operate in a league where they won’t even be able to outspend their rivals by double.
You mean the players
The point is more based on PSG, they finish first because they out spend their closest rivals wage bill by 12 fold.
What can’t be done is pretend PSG could do similar in the Premier League because they couldn’t, and that raises a tonne of questions about how good they could be if they spend at similar rates to their rivals.
We know Nice/INEOS spending at 5th rate, finish 5th.
Do Nice have the 7th highest salary this year then?
I guess the point is PSG invest in their team while Nice doesn't and is happy to coast along at 5th then (now 7th). Not sure I would want that at the club.
Please stop presenting hypotheticals as facts.
And it's worth mentioning that Ineos is bringing Jean Claude Blanc, PSG's COO, the one actually doing the behind the scenes stuff.
Must be doing something right then
Nice spend as they can spend, not cheating FFP, and end up at that level.
At United that would mean being the top spender.
Do you expect Nice to just cheat FFP?
PSG can enjoy investing all they like, but they can’t massively outspend their Premier League rivals.
Good chance they will be at those positions at the end of the season. Over 2/3rds of the season done. Surely if 5th = 5th, they would be comfortably 5th then.
I'd hope for some investment, maybe the 2nd or 3rd highest wage bill. I don't expect them to be as high as PSG.
It’s a fact that no owner can massively outspend their rivals in the Premier League.
Chelsea?
Or if one believes that PSG have been inept then Ineos are as inept or worse.
Sure, one spend 650m a year on wages just to win a ligue one title. Marseille spend 53m.
That’s an exemplary way to run a club.
3rd highest wage bill.
I say 3rd cause City are apparently 3rd, but we all know that’s not actually true.
Tell that to Ratcliffe, he is the one bringing Blanc.
Not what you said...
I had joked that INEOS would have us in the relegation spots if they invested in us comparatively as they did with Nice and the rest of Ligue 1. But I didn't realise they got Lausanne relegated
Again I am still sticking with the point that you can't gleam much from comparing the approaches to the other leagues.
Exactly what I said, the entire discussion has been about wage bills as we know historically, wage bills have the closet correlation to a sides ultimate league position.
No-one can massively outspend anyone in England.
Twice
Not true
Wage bill and finishing position is one of the most sure fire estimates of a teams finishing position. You know this. Matters not if it’s France or England or Spain.
oh the great Lausanne, who’ve spent 15 of the past twenty year in the second flight or lower and who bankrupted themselves twice in the 00’s.
feck me what? Who is massively outspending the others? Should we get out a table of the past five 5 wage bills?
Be my guest:
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And remember as you read, PSG spend 650 million to Marseille’s 53m
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