Define how much you mean by 'massively outspending' and which clubs it can be.
To say it can't happen is a bit ludicrous
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To say it can't happen is a bit ludicrous
I think it matters less in the Premier League due to how competitive it is. Obviously it matters a lot but there are a lot of other factors that have a larger role for me.
Well great that with Lausanne, they have done bugger all improvement since they came into the club nearly 6 years ago. Let's hope that INEOS Sport's new CEO will help change things around with his strategy.
They are 7-time champions who spent 3/4 of a century in the top league. You seem to enjoy shitting on them to suit your narrative though.
PSG spend 650m on wages compared to Marseille’s 53m.
That’s massively outspending your closest rival.
It simply cannot happen even at double in England because there are several extremely rich teams. Hence why it doesn’t and hasn’t happened.
I just gave you proof, so what are you coming with to prove how it could happen?
Last win. 1965.
Tell me how good Notts Forest should be again, at least that was a European Cup and the 80’s.
There’s no “narrative”, they bankrupted themselves twice in the 00’s… true.
They’ve spent 15 of the past 20 years in lower leagues… true.
That's this season. What are the figures from last season since you refused to acknowledge that the current standings of the premier league are relevant to the discussion?
Last season for PSG?
They were in the top division for 71 consecutive years then went bankrupt and went down.
Last win. 1965.
Tell me how good Notts Forest should be again, at least that was a European Cup and the 80’s.
Ratcliffe bought them and I assume they were no longer financially unstable, despite this he's relegated them twice. Tell me how that's a good reflection of his ownership?
Your opinion of them as a club and their historic achievement is irrelevant, I don't get why you're trying to make them out to be a 'yo-yo club' when factually and historically they simply aren't. Maybe Ratcliffe has turned them into one recently but before that not al all!
Yes what were the wage bills for all 20 teams last season.
How are they not a yoyo club?
They’ve played 6 top division seasons in the past 20?
And this is the thing. For them to stay, they'd have to do something that they've never done before...put their own money back into the club.
Also, can you imagine their pool of potential suitors a few years down the line? It'd be even more limited than it is now, especially after pi**ing off the Qataris, and new regulation coming in.
I'm sorry I forgot they were founded 20 years ago
Is there a cash alternative? I take PayPal…..
Go find it out you lazy sod, but PSG massively outspent the rest I can assure you as both Messi and Mbappe had their massive contracts last season also.
The entire article from the Athletic unveils the truth of the wage bill, as many sites had underestimated it.
Not sure your point here though? I mean you know PSG pay over a million a year to Neymar, Mbappe & Messi and you know they massively outspend their rivals? What do you think has changed from last season
It's your argument ffsGo find it out you lazy sod, but PSG massively outspent the rest I can assure you as both Messi and Mbappe had their massive contracts last season also.
The entire article from the Athletic unveils the truth of the wage bill, as many sites had underestimated it.
Not sure your point here though? I mean you know PSG pay over a million a year to Neymar, Mbappe & Messi and you know they massively outspend their rivals? What do you think has changed from last season
I think that you are correct in that observation but the question is why Ineos hasn't stabilized them during the past 5 years? And is there something to learn from it?
What is the consensus on Nice in France out of interest?
I'm sorry I forgot they were founded 20 years ago
They actually were reformed in 2003 in fairness after bankruptcy even with a slight name change.
But you can’t argue a team aren’t a yoyo team because pre double bankruptcy they spend a large part of the last century (over 23 years ago) in the top league.
We’re talking the last two decades here, or are Chelsea not a top side because they were back in the 90’s ? Are City not a top side either?
Underwhelming.
Okay, I'll admit they have become a yo-yo team due to the recent ownership of Ratcliffe. That seems reasonable when he's presided over 2/3 of them after 'stabilizing' them.
It's your argument ffs
Ok, Marseille and Lyon had a similar wage bill to PSG last season.
what are you smoking man, you know PSG’s was far and away the highest in France.
Ah, but 2003-2016 they were more often than not a lower league side.
Sounds to me like progress when you put it like that.
They'd no doubt expect to find buyers again because it is Manchester United. If they don't want to bother doing anything with the stadium, then they can just continue as they have been without investing anything.
I don't buy the reports about all this being a fishing expedition to determine how much they may get in the future when they actually want to sell. How does today's valuation determine what they may get in the future? There are so many factors that would influence the price.
Yes I'm aware it's more than everybody else. I'm asking how much.
It's all relative to the club's income, the premier league generates vastly more amounts of money for the clubs so a direct comparison isn't really fair. Surely a better indication would be a look at how much a team spends in relation to turnover
I think that’s a valid question.
Why didn't you quote the whole post? It looks less damning on Ratcliffe after your edit
I’m sure PSG & City would love that with their massively inflated sponsorship deals.
Why didn't you quote the whole post? It looks less damning on Ratcliffe after your edit
Pre INEOS, 13 years often in lower league. Post Ineos, 6 years of yoyo.
You said it yourself, progress I didn’t even consider myself.
That's a different conversation altogether
Not really true but whatever
What's more important to consider is - what happens the next time when they really want to sell if they've essentially wasted everyone's time here. That's not how you conduct business and a lot of people will be very unhappy with this.
And that's not even getting into the the whole decaying stadium and servicing mega debt in recession - minor inconveniences.
Not really true but whatever
New start after bankruptcy in 2003.
7 seasons lower league, 2 seasons top league, 2 seasons lower league (ending with promotion).
Post INEOS:
4 seasons top league, 3 seasons lower league. Good chance of promotion now.
Based on what I have seen at Nice, my guess is that they have no clue about what they are doing. The fact that Ratcliffe brought Iain Moody still baffles me.
They were relegated in 17/18 and 21/22 mate but sure...New start after bankruptcy in 2003.
7 seasons lower league, 2 seasons top league, 2 seasons lower league (ending with promotion).
Post INEOS:
2 seasons top league, 2 seasons lower league. Good chance of promotion now.
I’ve also noticed you made up the two relegations. Relegated once.
Yeah I missed out first as INEOS bought them half way into the season with them dead last in the table.
Fair enough though, I guess it did kinda happen under their reign even if it feels a very harsh one.
4 years top league, 2 years lower league under INEOS though, certainly improvement from the previous 15 years. And buying a club last in the table mid season shows they were buying something of a shitshow.
You are constantly changing the goalposts it's actually funny
You are constantly changing the goalposts it's actually funny
It’a funnier how much blame you put on them for a relegation when they bought a shitshow bottom placed team mid season with the transfer window shut.
It’s actually funny
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