I'm expecting not. There's a reason they have taken this step to explore strategic partnerships, or whatever they're calling it. They need the money.
So broke that they didn't even pay themselves any dividends.
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I'm expecting not. There's a reason they have taken this step to explore strategic partnerships, or whatever they're calling it. They need the money.
So broke that they didn't even pay themselves any dividends.
Surely they have to sell.
Stadium needs doing up
Team needs doing up
Club hasn't won the title in a decade
Super league was killed
Competition getting fiercer (Newcastle will be involved moving forward)
if they don't sell value will likely go on a downward trend moving forward - where's the growth going to come from with these circumstances?
Stadium needs doing up
Team needs doing up
Club hasn't won the title in a decade
Super league was killed
Competition getting fiercer (Newcastle will be involved moving forward)
if they don't sell value will likely go on a downward trend moving forward - where's the growth going to come from with these circumstances?
I’m not sure INEOS is totally to blame for all the turmoil at Nice if I’m honest. Viera was already in post when they bought the club, and he underperformed for sure the season he was sacked. They appointed a league winning manager in Galtier, a show of ambition - it’s hardly there fault he fell out with Rivière so spectacularly. Brailsford and Moody conducting the last window looks a cock up, and raiding the PL retirement club seems ill advised but they seem to have worked out their problems now - I do think they have learned, and look promising under Ghisolfi and Digard.
They have literally sold off their best players a few times, I'm sure that didn't help. They have consistently run them for profit, making a net transfer profit of ~3/4 million euros in the 5.5 years since the takeover.It’a funnier how much blame you put on them for a relegation when they bought a shitshow bottom placed team mid season with the transfer window shut.
It’s actually funny
As for taking over a 'shitshow' they bought the club in November 2017 (It's a July start in Switzerland with a December winter break) At the mid-way point in the season, they were in 6th place with 22 points, 5 points above the last place team.
They went on to get relegated by 4 points.
Get your facts right. Your bias here is incredible and weird
They rectified that quickly though in fairness, think they ended up in panic mode after parting ways with the old sporting director and didn’t have Florent in place, so they just wanted anyone.
I commend them at least for quickly remedying a shit panic decision within a matter of months for a guy with excellent knowledge of the French market.
I could only wish Woodward was as quick to accept his mistakes.
But the buyers haven’t been lining up as anticipated, there was a much higher level of interest in Chelsea when they were for sale.
One of the lessons they must surely be learning is there isn’t a huge appetite to buy the club for an inflated fee with all the investment required.
Doesn’t seem impossible for teams to makeup 9pts in half a season. Can you say exactly what INEOS did in that half a season to cause relegation? How are you attributing it directly to them?
I can't say, I was simply correcting this absolute bullshit post...
It’a funnier how much blame you put on them for a relegation when they bought a shitshow bottom placed team mid season with the transfer window shut.
It’s actually funny
Nice and PSG are difficult to compare even as sides in the same league due to the vast discrepancies between PSG and everyone else. It would be easier to compare Nice with every other side, by which they seem to achieve what's expected of them.
Ineos don't use Nice or their other clubs as PR campaigns while the Qataris absolutely do with PSG. And they would with United. So how they operate are very different and another reason we can't really compare the two.
United is unique in that we don't need to be bankrolled. We can compete financially with anyone and therefore any owner just has to employ the right people and be sensible. This is more important than money in my opinion.
Ineos are also more likely to be aware and respectful of financial fair play regulations as well as any potential regulator that is expected to appear in a few years. State owned clubs have shown themselves to have no respect for these rules and often find the selves at odds with governing bodies. Some might revel in this but personally I feel it would always have the club on the verge of jeapordy. You might be able to buy your way out of trouble 9 times out of 10 but all it takes is for you to lose once. City could well see this happening in the near future, though none of us would be surprised if nothing happened.
Ineos don't use Nice or their other clubs as PR campaigns while the Qataris absolutely do with PSG. And they would with United. So how they operate are very different and another reason we can't really compare the two.
United is unique in that we don't need to be bankrolled. We can compete financially with anyone and therefore any owner just has to employ the right people and be sensible. This is more important than money in my opinion.
Ineos are also more likely to be aware and respectful of financial fair play regulations as well as any potential regulator that is expected to appear in a few years. State owned clubs have shown themselves to have no respect for these rules and often find the selves at odds with governing bodies. Some might revel in this but personally I feel it would always have the club on the verge of jeapordy. You might be able to buy your way out of trouble 9 times out of 10 but all it takes is for you to lose once. City could well see this happening in the near future, though none of us would be surprised if nothing happened.
As far as I know Galtier didn't follow out with Riviére, they are in good terms, he had an issue with Fournier but the reason he was upset before that was allegedly due to Ineos being less ambitious than they initially suggested. Also Digard is an absolute coincidence, if they actually thought that he was good enough they would have hired him last summer, he was already doing a good job with the reserve.
That's the only reason Ineos is involved in sport...
Didn’t think so. To be fair, you have been banging on about ineos relegating them twice which seems disingenuous. When they have gone down they have won the league to come back up, so they can’t be terrible!
Loves Jimmy so he does.They have literally sold off their best players a few times, I'm sure that didn't help. They have consistently run them for profit, making a net transfer profit of ~3/4 million euros in the 5.5 years since the takeover.
As for taking over a 'shitshow' they bought the club in November 2017 (It's a July start in Switzerland with a December winter break) At the mid-way point in the season, they were in 6th place with 22 points, 5 points above the last place team.
They went on to get relegated by 4 points.
Get your facts right. Your bias here is incredible and weird
They have. It's factual look it up
They have literally sold off their best players a few times, I'm sure that didn't help. They have consistently run them for profit, making a net transfer profit of ~3/4 million euros in the 5.5 years since the takeover.
As for taking over a 'shitshow' they bought the club in November 2017 (It's a July start in Switzerland with a December winter break) At the mid-way point in the season, they were in 6th place with 22 points, 5 points above the last place team.
They went on to get relegated by 4 points.
Get your facts right. Your bias here is incredible and weird
Ok I’ll get em right as you’re also wrong, as usual.
At the time of the takeover Lausanne had played 14, had 16 points. Bottom placed Lugano had 13 points.
5 days after the takeover Lugano won, played 14, 16 points. Lausanne lost.
Safe to say they took over a shit show mid season.
Incorrect.
I may have got Rivière and Fournier names mixed up.
No but seriously, how daft can one be?
Not even Ineos would state such a stupid thing. They are in cycling, Football, F1 and sailing for PR purposes that's why they have their name everywhere.
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“While either would easily break the world record sum for buying a sports club, the Glazers are seeking much more. Insiders say that the Americans expect ‘well above £6billion’.
If the Glazers refuse to budge, the likelihood of a full sale going through is minimal. Indeed, there are growing concerns that those seeking to buy the club are wasting their time. Such a stand-off would leave the door open for offers of partial investment.
Those involved in the process expect to hear back in about seven days. However, there is a feeling that their bids may not be deemed high enough and both Sheik Jassim and Ratcliffe could be out of the running by the next stage.”
How is that not pessimistic?
No but seriously, how daft can one be?
Not even Ineos would state such a stupid thing. They are in cycling, Football, F1 and sailing for PR purposes that's why they have their name everywhere.
Plastered all over the 2hour run also.
I think the owners love being involved in sports but yeah, no question they absolutely milk it for the INEOS name.
Probably not. Ineos appear to be building a football group in reverse though. Where most start with the jewel in the crown, Ineos have started with the smaller clubs but have long stated that they're aim has been to acquire a Premier League club.
Let's be honest here. Who of us had ever heard of Lausanne? If Ineos owned United and then bought them, we'd not bat an eyelid about them being relegated. Similarly with Nice, few of us will be well versed in their history.
I doubt either club was bought with the aim of dominating football, not within 3 or 4 years anyway. And I doubt they were bought to greenwash before anyone makes the suggestion. They were cheap, acquirable and at least in the case of Nice, located somewhere nice.
They're like practice clubs. Apprenticeships in ownership for Ineos to learn. You could say the same about PSG of course but it's well established their primary reason for ownership was to promote Qatar in a positive light.
I don’t dispute that the club were relegated but simply being owned by INEOS at the time doesn’t make it their fault, especially the first time when INEOS had been in charge half a season when the club was saved from financial difficulty. That’s hardly a stable situation for any new owner to build from.
If INEOS bought us and were underperforming, we would be a bit concerned if they let some random team get relegated in the Swiss League
But that's because everyone assumed Ineos would throw money at it ala PSG.
Dude, at this point after 120+ posts non-stop over the last 13 hours I’d just log off.
They certainly didn't in Switzerland
It's not pessimistic because you keep writing if.
It's taking a worst case scenario. There's little to suggest they won't go for a middle ground. It's all posturing.
In fact there's more to suggest the opposite. They aren't going to piss off strategic partners and potential full investors for the sake of fishing for a future bid.
You can't say "we all know it will be rejected" just because Glazers want 6bn. They would obviously brief their top valuation. They aren't going to brief the valuation they'd settle for, for obvious reasons.
Yup. I'm sure Ratcliffe loves sport and Football, he has been spotted at Louis II, at the Allianz Riviera, Stamford Bridge and Old Trafford in the past while owning none of them. But anyone suggesting that Ineos aren't in for PR is foolish.
Companies like Ineos use that kind of popular sports to sportwash their names because these are the same companies that are also involved on not so discreet lobbying.
At the end of the day, it's fair game I generally criticize or mention these kind of things but lets not fool ourselves. It's PR and sportwashing. The same apply to Petronas, Gazprom, Bayer and I don't know who else.
Let's be real here, their managment of the club has sent them down twice. You saying coincidence?
If they stay, I expect they'll do so with minority investment, which should enable them to fund a refurb of the stadium/Carrington (or pay down the existing debt, which will give them the wriggle room to raise new debt for the refurbs).
If they hold out in the face of bids north of £5bn, it can only mean that they belive the value of the club hasn't peaked yet. They can have another go at exiting further down the road.
Not that's because they have been consistently outperformed by the likes of Lille, Lens or Rennes.
Interesting choice then to pick an obscure Swiss side with extremely limited reach and exposure.
It would have probably been better to refer to Qatars ownership of PSG as an advert, rather than a PR campaign though, so I'll concede that.
I know this is not specifically about the bids, but I feel there is so much bad rhetoric about Qatar. It would be nice balance the scales a little
The first time certainly.
They have a bunch of other sport investments and they are all about PR.
You're saying the ownership bears no responsibility for letting the team be relegated when they were 5 points above the relegation spot at the halfway point and when the transfer window opened and made signings?
They were mid-table when he bought them. Literally
No but seriously, how daft can one be?
Not even Ineos would state such a stupid thing. They are in cycling, Football, F1 and sailing for PR purposes that's why they have their name everywhere.
Again, that's fair. A poor choice of words by me.
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