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I think you misunderstand me. I am desperate for change. The glazers must go. BUT, the one thing the glazers were reasonably good at, was avoiding further controversy off the field. Those are the standards I mean.
The standard of the facilities has fallen because we couldn't maintain spending on the squad and infrastructure, at the same time as paying for the glazers debt and dividends. With the leeches removed, we can afford to compete and rebuild, even if it will take a bit longer. We don't need instant massive investment. Especially with the long term damage to reputation which it carries.
So, what I am saying is, let's hold the next owners to the highest possible standards. That, for me at least, excludes blatantly deceitful sportswashing outfits.
Malaga’s income independent of private wealth was a drop in the ocean compared to United’s. The exit strategy and the fallout thereof isn’t remotely comparable
What information?
There has been exactly zero actual information about the bids.
it's all been wild speculations and fantasy, based on press briefs and comments.
You just need to read this thread. Multiple people and posts claiming SJR isn’t buying it for profit.
The information pulled from a particular orifice
That is true
Exactly. Thanks for confirming you agree caf posters are making stuff up.
Partnering with Elliot or the like would be a bad move and completely different to what’s on the table right now. It definitely is the worst option.
I've read the thread mate, yes some seem to think SJR isn't in it for profit, others think Jassim is a life long United fan who wants to buy United as a hobby and is going to pump billions in out of the goodness of his heart.
But as I said no one is spending £5-6 billion and not looking for a return on their investment at some point either directly or indirectly.
I'm not disagreeing that a lot of nonsense and wishful thinking is being posted. We probably disagree on what qualifies as such though.
Completely agree!
I agree with you and think a lot of people overlook this. The club has been underperforming as far as being competitive on the pitch and matchday experience (although the one counter to that is that ticket prices were stable for many years). But it has still been in compliance with legal and ethical standards for business and for a football club. Some people seem to think that that is worthless, and that football success should trump all other concerns.
I’ve no doubt every fan here wants the best for Utd. Everyone has a different opinion on what they think is the best for the club for various reasons which I think we all have to accept will remain divisive and never be united in opinion.
We are all unanimously in agreement we need to see the back of the Glazers though. I think we all need to focus our energy on this and embrace their departure and hope for the best for the club that we all love.
The Frenkie de Jong thread used to feel toxic at times but that was just slapstick comedy compared to what this thread has become. I imagine rival forums look at this thread in amusement at the bickering and division amongst us.
Isn’t the story they tried changing other siblings minds and couldn’t do it?
In short it’s ether a bullshit story or doesn’t matter a feck what those two want
This isn’t anything new, it’s simply TalkSport scaremongering for clicks. They know the deadline for 2nd bids is tomorrow and are trying to stir up panic among the fan base.
Panic at the disco mirror
For Radcliffe/INEOS, probably a combination of marketing (sticking INEOS on our shirts etc) and financial returns. Not necessarily direct profit but long term asset appreciation.
Given their recent drive to invest in sports, it probably forms part of a long term strategy to diversify from simply being a chemicals company into a conglomerate too.
They’ve retained reservations since the process started. Nothing new.
Yeh, we all want what's best for United and the Glazers long gone. I've even made a commitment to never watch NFL* just so I don't have to hear their names.
*Never seen armoured rugby
Negotiation tactics 101. They'll 100% sell if the price is right.
At the very least it will stir up another 20 pages of this thread!
Who are the 5/6 potential bidders?
Qatar, SJR and Elliot make up 3, but who are the other 2/3?
Qatar, SJR and Elliot make up 3, but who are the other 2/3?
Here here!!!
You think they'd brief TalkSport a different line to a lot of other, actually credible outlets, to negotiate?
I think its more likely that TalkSport are talking bollocks.
The media are stuck in the same fecking loop of stories 
Jag Rozelle and Gram Alvarez
We don't have enough money. People like you seriously are spouting absolute bollocks if you think we can compete with Citeh. It's uniformed and uneducated and you only have to look at what our spend has done to us financially for the last two years to get a clue that we cannot fund a stadium and compete with Chelsea, City and Newcastle.
Ratcliffe is also not some guardian angel and even if he is, he's not immortal. What happens when he inevitably goes, potentially halfway through our stadium renovation? Will his heirs continue the work or sell us off to some Glazer-like moron again?
You might want to use that self-respect to properly research some of this ABU propaganda you're peddling, consciously or not.
Has anyone actually changed their view on any of this through reading this thread?
My guess is that Qatar will privatise us immediately. Keep us away from prying eyes.
Sir Jim on the other hand will likely need to raise more funds eventually via the equity markets.
haha we have reached it’s all Woodward’s fault, well guess who chose to employ him..
Have any of you actually visited the area around eastlands and seen the change or asked the people what they think before you claim lack of self respect.
Have any of you actually visited the area around eastlands and seen the change or asked the people what they think before you claim lack of self respect.
Hope this shit does not get through.
Does that rule Jassim out then?
Jim's won't be fixing it, thankfully. He seems a bit of a chancer to me.
I want someone to wipe out the debt and let us spend our own money without dodgy loans and alternative funding sources that we find out about a year down the line.
Feck Jim, really gone off him.
I want someone to wipe out the debt and let us spend our own money without dodgy loans and alternative funding sources that we find out about a year down the line.
Feck Jim, really gone off him.
We don't know. There have been rumours about Ares Management, Oaktree Capital Management, Stephen Pagliuca from Bain Capital (Boston Celtics / Atalanta), Elliott Investment Management and Liberty Media Corporation. Some of them will just be offering finance rather than bidding to buy shares themselves. Obviously, we know about Ineos and Qatar.
It has been reported that there are 7 or 8 parties in total currently in this second phase, 4 of which are said to be interested in a full buyout, with a further 3 or 4 offering partial investment/finance. Most have seemingly chosen to maintain their anonymity thus far. We know that Ineos, representatives of Qatar/Jassim and Elliott Investment Management have all visited Old Trafford in recent weeks, but we don't know how many others have done.
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